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You're like a broken record playing on Groundhog day you Blend! You keep banging on about "selling our best players", who do you mean?? Cos from where i am sat every player that has gone has been replaced with someone as good as, if not better! (Can't say that definitely about Santon and Enrique yet granted, however can you say he's not??) If "they" managed to do this with younger, cheaper players on less wages then why? (And this is the kicker) Why should anyone be upset about that? We got rid of Carroll, so what?? He's not that great mate, and i prefer the football we have played since getting shot of him to be honest. AND we got £35 million for him, anybody would be a mug to refuse to sell him for that. We got rid of Nolan, so what?? He's not that great either, and i would certainly rather have Cabaye alongside Tiote. We got rid of Barton, so what?? I'd rather have a united squad and solid team spirit (and I bet you Neil Warnock would as well now!!), he knocked a good dead ball, but so does Cabaye and Raylor, and as he was playing out on the right before he left I'd rather have Ben Arfa/Obertan. Plus with Barton there is always his next temper tantrum lurking in the background. Enrique decided he didnt want to stay here, so what?? Again I'd rather have a squad that pulls in the same direction together, and although i'd like to see Santon at right back in the long run he is looking canny at the minute (I'd say he has certainly started his NUFC career better than Enrique did) And before you read the next bit LM, remove all sharp objects from near you......... There's always a chance we'll get a new LB in the summer!! Honestly if you can't see that we have a better team now than we did before we "Sold all our best players" than what i suspect will be true and there will have been more brains in your dad's wanking sock than in your head! It's not always the cleverest sperm that wins the race you know!! Who else is worth a mention?? Obafemi Martins? (Pffffft) Habib Beye (Another who thought the grass would be greener) Damien Duff??? Geremi?? Routledge?? Who is it exactly that you are weeping your little eyes out over constantly (and very repetitively) come back when we have seen all the Carroll cash, and he has backed his managers to the tune of matching the league positions, champions League and european qualifications of his predecessors. Until then, bugger off because you are a nobody, you know nothing, and living in your little deluded world where you think football clubs can be successful by selling their best players and withholding the money and not backing their managers, you never will. I bet your one of those bellends [blends ] who constantly impersonated Groundhog Day on Newcastle Online saying that anybody would do better than Fred etc etc blah blah....well after 4 years, Mike Ashley has got nowhere near those champions league and top 5 finishes, not once, apart from in a lower league after he watched us get relegated. Fool.

This is really important this for me as it happens. It's a totally valid point and shows just how much (outside of the 'established' CL boys) you can go up and down in this league within very short periods. For me the Mackems did well because they were spending big and that was generally bringing in a slightly better class of player, (principally up front). However their manager turned out to ultimately be a pile of wank that lost the plot, players decided the club was really a bit daft or otherwise not to their liking and hence that same team sank like a stone again, with some departures along the way. Now O'Neill has got that same side playing CL form football having hardly spent a penny. So it's neither proof that spending big is the answer or is a bad thing, it shows that the same players can send you up the league if they're feeling motivated or send you back down again if they think they're being run by a dickend/bunch of dickends they have no respect for. Bruce's spending allowed him to paper over the cracks of being an essentially drunken bellend with inadequate coping mechanisms in the face of adversity. That in itself is both an argument for getting the best players you can afford, but also keeping them motivated once theyre with you, and if you fail to do the latter, you've only got half the equation. Leazes makes too much of the former and essentially dismisses the latter because he doesnt think it matters what standards of professionalism you demand once you've got expensive players in. Despite his misquotes, my point (has always been) is that it's massively naive for someone who's been watching football for as long as he has and studying the top sides for as long as he has to fail to notice how important this element is. We've tried it previously mainly with the throwing money about approach, while our top brass have either been i) in brothels/slagging fans off/calling Alec Ferguson names, or ii) pissing about in the Bigg Market/downing pints in the away end (delete as appropriate). That for me is a mistake and the wrong example to set. Leazes says this doesnt matter at all as long as you always commit to spend one pence more than your closest rival. Well not only do I reckon that is completely wrong, more to the point it's pointless saying it any more anyway as we are not going to spend as much as the top teams. So where else do you start from? For me, you start with getting players focused back on the basics. With a work ethic, with a basic desire to play for the shirt, with a respect for the club and those paying their wages and you try and get that imprinted in the DNA of the club, because that is without doubt what all of the successful clubs have. What's more, that much is free to do - it costs nowt, it's about attitudes and it's one of the few things that's still a level playing field for everyone in football. Then on that foundation, you try and add slowly with quality-bringing players in that you do extensive research on and who you feel are right mentally to progress the level of football without compromising the level of professionalism. At the end of the day, as SJH says, go for broke is out the window so why even bother banging on about it anymore? Adapt and survive basically and at least try and learn from previous lessons. If you don't do that then that is the very essence of naive. I don't "misquote" anything, I've told you for years what Mike Ashley would do to the football club and you have disagreed with me [like many others] and offered absolutely nothing of your own in response, other than gradually bullshit your way round to what I've always told you. Which is all you are. A bullshitter, with no judgements, no predictions, all you do is give a summary of something after the event, so you can't be wrong, in your own head. Whatever people think of me, I'll give my views, and if I'm wrong then so be it. Unfortunately though, I have called Mike Ashley absolutely correctly and people are STILL disagreeing with me when it stands out a mile how he sees the football club and his Sports Company.

you clearly are really only a 10 year old, taken in by one signing and 2 wins in a week.

an acceptance of them being sold ? If a huge offer comes in or they refuse to sign a new contract with 12 months left then they will be sold, I accept it and have no problem with it as long as they're replaced sufficiently which so far seems to be happening, don't you agree? It's strange that you seem to be moaning about us selling these best players yet have refused to give the club credit for scouting and buying them in the first place. Btw what did you think of Cisse yesterday? where is the rest of the Carroll cash ? Don't you think that, as a place in the top 4 is so open and easy to grasp, that they should have backed their manager to attempt to get it rather than withholding transfer cash ? This will be the feature of Ashley's ownership, he will never attempt it. This season is like winning the title for him, to do as well as this and fool the gullible supporters into thinkng things are going just great, courtesy of a good manager, but I thought you always said it was the DOF system ie Wise rather than Keegan, which would automatically reap such rewards ? Edit. Whether or not they sign a new contract with 12 months left, really depends on who and where the new offer comes from, but I can see that you will accept such offers from clubs we ought to be attempting to match if not tell them to fuck off and attract the player to stay. What a shame you and others don't appear to understand this.

embarrassing. How much have you paid in the last 4 years, and the next 3 to "see the team lose every week". Coming from someone who is a self proclaimed smart lad, that is incredibly desperate and juvenile.

had a busy weekend, been to the match etc etc etc

Obviously it went better than some previous windows, but I don't think he was 'backed'. To sell players offers have to come in. It's not like we were knocking back huge money to retain our best players. And they failed to secure Pardew a centre back which he wanted. that's about right, I'm sure some will believe otherwise though and we are about to march our way to world domination because we've bought one player and won 2 games in a week.

Rather spend time worrying about them being sold rather than enjoying them while they're here tbh. an acceptance of them being sold ?

no seriously, who the hell do you think you are to determine what i can and can't feel about our current predicament? What an arrogant twonk you really are. Tit. I'm right arrogant me like, aren't I ? [get it]

so they key drivers of the game, among supporters that go to games, isn't to qualify for europe or better, win a trophy, play in Cup Finals [at least for clubs of NUFC's stature]. I realise that those who don't go to games - and probably have no intention of going to games - may have different priorities. But that is something else I've always said too. Oh dear. More comprehension issues. such as "throw more money at him" , which clearly wasn't, it was more basically, clueless, especially coming from an accountant.

some [well, quite a lot, including some self proclaimed intelligent people] people have resorted to mackems-type delusions then ?

I suspect you're about to get called "chum".

haha. What a cretin. How much money upfront have YOU paid for season tickets to watch the team lose for the last 4 years and the next 3 ? What a fucking arsehole you are.

Funnier things have happened than us coming 4th this season like. indeed they have, but they will have to do it a lot more than once for me to be wrong. Ironically, unlike cretins like Gloomy [and others who don't really support the club in the true sense] I will be more than happy and admit that I was wrong, if Mike Ashley does wake up and start keeping his best players and backing his managers, that is why I paid upfront for 3 years season tickets, a fact that non-match goers also seem unable to grasp the significance of.

so they key drivers of the game, among supporters that go to games, isn't to qualify for europe or better, win a trophy, play in Cup Finals [at least for clubs of NUFC's stature]. I realise that those who don't go to games - and probably have no intention of going to games - may have different priorities. But that is something else I've always said too.

:lol: You just can't join the dots, can you? It's genuinely troubling that that is your response to what I had to say. ah, an accountant who can't admit the he backed the spending of unlimited funds. That's genuinely troubling.

because, basically, if you don't and haven't supported NUFC for many many years, you are in absolutely no position whatsoever to disagree with me and tell me I am wrong about the football club. I've told you why I don't comment on games [actually sometimes I do] but it isn't a pre-condition of posting so far as I'm aware, and I don't see what is so necessary about it. My comments on successful clubs needing to have managers that are backed by their owners/directors and refrain from selling their best players and replacing with cheaper and money disappearing, are totally backed up by all successful clubs there has ever been. If you don't see or accept that, then you really are an imbecile, and there is no point whatsoever in engaging any form of debate with you.

the way some people talk here [mostly they don't go to games though and never did or have] the Halls and Shepherd have just been running a football team that ended up in the Conference, rather than one of the biggest clubs and stadiums in europe.

I hope Fish will take action about this blatant lie. You said right up to the end that they should be allowing him to buy his own players, and you know it. And you say that an ingredient in your success recipe is backing the manager. Honestly, how can you not see this. I've held your hand, and walked you through this again and again, and each time we get to the end of it, and you don't get it. Let's do it again for old time's sake. You say that a recipe for success is a chairman who backs his manager. You say that the great thing about Shepherd was that he backed his managers. I said that they should back their manager, who at the time happened to be Graeme Souness - which is in agreement with what you said above. And then you take the piss out of me for saying they should back him. Do you not see that the three statements above are linked to the point where you are taking the piss out of me for saying EXACTLY what you say is what a good owner/chairman does? The last time I walked you through this, your response was "I don't criticise THEM for backing him with funds, I criticise YOU for saying they should have." Which is stupid in the extreme. Do you get this? Because if you don't there is something horribly wrong with your brain and you should see a neurologist about it as soon as possible. The bit I said you made up btw is the "unlimited funds" bit. That's just childish nonsense on your part because nobody thinks that. if you really think that you can be successful without backing your manager, you seriously need help.

ah, it must be spent by someone with a clue. Everybody but the Halls and Shepherd appointed the right manager every time eh Except, being the 5th most qualified club for europe and the Champions League in 15 years, having the 5th highest average league position in 15 years, transforming the club from one that couldn't float for 1.25m quid and a half empty stadium into the 14th biggest turnover in football and one of the best stadiums in europe, and from one foot in the 3rd division to breaking the world transfer record, says you are wrong and spouting complete bollocks because they got it more right than wrong and more right than most. Wouldn't you agree with that fairly basic and simple logic, proven by results rather than "opinion" ?

I hope you aren't going to start saying the first reign of Keegan was a waste of time etc like Toonpack and a few others do ? More lies no it isn't. Have you looked up the context of your own sig by reading the book it came from yet ?

so money doesn't matter then ? YOu don't need to back your managers with funds ? ManU and every successful club there has even been have been getting it all wrong ? A few wins against Blackburn and Aston Villa mean we are getting it all right instead of those clubs ? If anything summed up the gullibility of some posters, then that is it, it's as bad anything anybody else has posted, even from the likes of Gloomy, JSM, Cabayeaye, BestBanone etc. The key words lesser and manager are the key to that point maybe someone can tell me who did better than Keegan and how he would have done if he had been forced to sell his best players and not backed by the owners ? Can you ? I can scarcely believe you know what you are saying ? How many times have you seen NUFC play, how much do you know about NUFC, and football ?

you can quote this thread or any other in a few years time. As I said, you may be pissing your pants at a few wins, but when you've supported the club for more than 5 minutes you tend not to get carried away. How many times have you seen NUFC play again ? A comment on the clips from the book would be canny, but I suppose it is way beyond your knowledge and comprehension of the club, like most people who have commented in this thread so far. You mean anyone who disagrees with you? Even the author has got it wrong in the parts that doesn't suit your agenda. You are making yourself look a prize pratt but carry on it amuses me I don't have an agenda. I am just right, its that simple. The only prize prat will be the likes of you when more players are sold and the money disappears. How many times have you seen NUFC play again ?

Pretty similar reasons under both Ashley and Hall. I hope you aren't going to start saying the first reign of Keegan was a waste of time etc like Toonpack and a few others do ?

so money doesn't matter then ? YOu don't need to back your managers with funds ? ManU and every successful club there has even been have been getting it all wrong ? A few wins against Blackburn and Aston Villa mean we are getting it all right instead of those clubs ? If anything summed up the gullibility of some posters, then that is it, it's as bad anything anybody else has posted, even from the likes of Gloomy, JSM, Cabayeaye, BestBanone etc.