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what a co-incidence

I await Fish, the self appointed policeman, to take decisive action over this , and other people to complain the thread has been derailed.

you are a hopeless case. And you're an arrogant obnoxious blowhard. But you already knew that, didn't you? I know what makes NUFC tick, and how to succeed on the pitch in football, and it got the club into one of the top clubs in the world, as Stevie has also shown you. EDit FWIW, I don't disagree entirely with what CAbayeaye says in this post, only the flak dished out to the people who made the club what it is, the dismissal of their methods which are tried tested and proven in football, and the failure to recognise that Mike Ashley has taken the club back 20 years rather than "stabilise" it. And I'm confident that he will never match the previous regimes league positions and not even attempt to compete with the other big clubs that we ought to be competing with, through operating this sell your best players and replace policy which is here for good while he is here I'm afraid.

That bit highlights your ignorance, if the minor shareholder happens to be the Chairman, yes they make the major decisions, and it happens all the time. The Chairman is in charge of EVERYTHING day to day, hiring, firing, aquiring new assetts etc.Just keep the share price OK and the Dividends rolling in and a majority shareholder will not even show his face. not reading the book at all shows your ignorance. Cherry picking the last year or so from a "reign" only shows your stupidity too. When your man gets anywhere near matching those champions League and european qualifications, your arse licking may have some credibility. You also don't understand football at all I'm afraid.

no, only that I know that most people like you know fuck all about NUFC, including 10 year olds from Singapore. There are/were lots of them on Newcastle Online, masquerading as NUFC supporters. And they appear to be more common on here these days.

who are you ? Are you some sort of 12 year old gimp from Singapore ? Aside of that, if you don't understand how football success has been achieved by every successful club since football began............then you must be a 12 year old from Singapore [especially one who thinks the Halls and Shepherd brought an end to decades of trophies and glory]. Laughable. Edit unfortunately, there seems to be more posters attracted here of a Newcastle Online mentality. Hopefully not.

I can tell you haven't been in the playground lately.

you are a hopeless case.

The statement in itself is what I believe. Cassidy's words, in that statement, portray my belief. That's it, as far as I am concerned. Aye, as you've said. It doesn't make you look any less stupid though. Just so you know. absolutely. As Toonspac hasn't actually read the book, I'll expand on his sig when I reach that statement.

Chapters 6 and 7 Not much here that we don’t know already. He talks about the decision to go PLC, the signing of Shearer, the 5-0 win over Man U, Keegans resignation, the appointment of Dalglish, the injury to Shearer, the “dogs” business, and reaching the FA Cup Final. He criticises the timing of the announcement to the Stock Exchange as being too close to Xmas, especially as it was going to be a public offering, whereas in 1990 the promise had been made to “democratise the club”. The flotation would now “attract institutional support which would clear the Clubs debts, redeem the Cameron Hall guarantees, and provide the club with a ‘war chest’ for further Investment”. It would also continue to hold a majority of shares for the Hall and Shepherd families after the flotation. This particularly area remains a bone of contention to many people. I bought shares for myself, so personally I’ve no issue with them remaining major shareholders and making decisions, I wouldn’t expect anything else. Does anybody else expect major shareholders to allow minor shareholders to make big decisions about the company ? I had reservations about them backing their managers after going PLC, but it never happened. He says nothing really about Keegan resigning, other than he was in Australia at the time and he was shocked. He believes the stock market flotation was the driving force behind the hasty decision to appoint Dalglish. Then he was invited to the board as a non-executive director to satisfy one of the requirements of Exchange Listing Rules. Other changes were made to satisfy these rules. He suspects the roots of Keegans resignation were sown earlier from a conversation he had with John Hall after the 1-0 home defeat by ManU when he wasn’t very pleased, and he was absolutely obsessed with winning trophies. Is this wrong or something, not that I wanted Keegan to go, but what is wrong with wanting to win trophies ? Nevertheless, Keegan also wanted to win trophies, we as supporters wanted to win trophies, he [Cassidy] feels that it could all have been avoided. He was worried about the changes made by Dalglish in the summer, the selling of Ferdinand and replacement of Tomasson. He appears to say that it was Dalglish’s decision, based on a conversation with Freddie Fletcher when they discussed the possibility of Shearer being injured, before it actually happened. Dalglish rated Tomasson highly. As the season wore on, he noted along with many others the change from Keegans entertainers into one that struggled to score goals, although John Hall was back to his exuberant self after beating Barcelona. The “dogs” business came soon after. He said that Fred and Douglas should resign, and was supported by the Chairman of the PLC. Sir John Hall said “you can’t force people who own the club to resign”, and there followed internal bickering. However, they eventually did, although Sir John argued for their retention. I think the seeds for “dislike” that has been shown on a supporter level were were sown at this stage, and superseded everything else they did for the club, sadly, and it would appear that the same thing happened at director level. As I continue reading, we will see.

short term-ism Enjoying being a fan with fuck all say in the running of the club-ism. of course, but its short term-ism all the same. Nowt wrong with looking at the long term prospects of the setup as it stands.

except that the owner won't attempt to make the final jump and continue the selling and cheaper replacement policy. So it will NEVER happen. You will see. I don't disagree, but it seems we've a genuine chance of finishing 7th, despite Ashley's reticence to spend. Is it not possible (I agree it's not probable) that with Carr unearthing players that Ashley will spend money on, we could very well make a decent push of the CL spots? have you noticed the many liars that have been posting lately ? Thought not. edit. Credit where its due for an attempt at a reasonable post. Carr will not stike lucky all the time like this, its impossible. Even Peter Taylor and Brian Clough couldn't do it forever and they were the masters, and even they ended up having to bust transfer records to go the whole distance. Besides, NUFC are a completely different profile to Forest and Derby, while NUFC supporters put their anti-Shepherd hat on and pretend they hate these "trophy signings", the reality is that its a big profile footballing city and the club thrives on them, as do most of the big clubs who have the biggest resources.

short term-ism

I'm with you CT. We've come this far and there is no reason it can't continue. We'd have to perform very very well in the run in but its not impossible. except that the owner won't attempt to make the final jump and continue the selling and cheaper replacement policy. So it will NEVER happen. You will see.

Nah that's a good post. I will say although he did well for NUFC I always thought John Hall was a cunt. I mind when we signed Andy Cole every interview for weeks he mentioned he and Lady May were guarantors for the £1.75m transfer fee. So fuck! He got £80m out of the club. Thing is it's not even said as a criticism of one lot or an exultation of the other, it's just highlighting a very different set of factors. And yet despite all that, and the cerebral talk of high finance, the main factor is still (and all it boils down to for me) that Ashley isn't a fan. ie it doesn't make his cock twitch enough. Shepherd on the other hand was a fan, I'm sure of that. That said would he have been fan enough to put 100's of millions of his own tax paid savings on the line for the thrill of a Champions League run now? My guess is not in a million years. In a sense it's a bit like the criticism of the bankers now. Like it or not Ashley is a real capitalist whereas Shepherd and Hall for a £1 million investment are more akin to the bankers/ phoney capitalists because of the limit of their exposure. That's going too far and is overly harsh on S&H because the bankers dont risk a penny of their own money, whereas S&H did but it still serves to demonstrate how much more cavalier people are happy to be with risk when your level of exposure doesnt keep you awake at night. That's why it's a completely pointless debate for me. you're getting warmer. About time too.

We are artificially supported now though in a different but still very real sense. If we got a run in the CL we'd probably shoot right up again automatically on turnover (to what exact level I dont know). If Ashley managed that on a shoestring I doubt he'd be getting credit for it though from Leazes, even though Leazes is only arsed about turnover to begin with. The uplift in turnover is only realistically available if you get in the CL from where we are now. What's being advocated now is spend more for the prospect of that. Ashley's not arsed to because he's already nuts deep to the tune of 100's millions of debt and 'financing' a CL push might not come off. His exposure is massive already whereas S&H's exposure was about a million. Ashley's fortune is 'linked' to the club in a way Shepherd and Hall's never was. Ashley could still easily afford to do something now as his wealth is so great, but he's not going to because it's not worth the risk (to him). Turnover means fuck all to him because it could be massive and still cost him in real terms as long as theres more out than in and no external financing. For S&H when turnover is in the 10's of millions on a 1 million £ investment and theres lots of external financing you're laughing, frankly. If it fails, what the fuck have you lost? blah blah blah. At the end of the day, all you are saying here is that Ashley is choosing not to show the ambition to succeed like the ex regime, but I've been telling you that for years and you've argued about it, like others. You're the bluster queen, no doubt about it.

my point has always partly been that we are not seen as such a big club, from outside the area, that we are, and Mike Ashley doesn't realise, like most others outside the area, how big a club we are either, even if he was a football man which he isn't. Which doesn't help at all, and is a huge plus for the ex regime. They made the club what it was, because they knew what it could be and had the right approach and made the right decisions - not all, but mostly the right ones. We need trophies, to show the outside world, how big NUFC are, the lack of trophies is the reason nobody else sees the club for what it is. As Stevie says, it only emphasises what the ex regime did more strongly. People seriously underestimate what they did for the club, even now. Staggering, especially among older supporters who ought to have known better.

and now, we aren't, right ? Aren't what? Try and make some sense please. it's fairly obvious, unless I have to clip it for you ?

No those figures prove that we were marketed brilliantly, gained vast media incomes due to our status then, the corporate side was booming, and people were paying bigger money for tickets than the vast majority of more successful clubs. Bigger club is a very ambiguous caveat (did I use that right Alex?), it's all very personal, but we're not a successful club no one can argue that we are. I'd say there were two truly big clubs in England (Arsenal and Man Utd), two in Spain, three in Italy and one in Germany. The rest regardless what anyone says about trophies and finance, can at any time usurp all of the others outside of the 8 big clubs. far too complicated for some people that is, Stevie.

and now, we aren't, right ?

you sound more and more like macbeth every day, who also stated that a million quid a year or so had a huge impact on our failure to win the title. He probably backs the disappearance of 25m quid of the Carroll transfer fee too, just like you. Have you answered what I asked you about your own sig yet ? Waste of time debating anything with you tbh, you're clueless. Just like macbeth. Who the fuck is MacBeth ??? Btw, where'd the other £2 Mill go ??????? and yes I did, I always answer questions, unlike you. so what is the context of your sig, as you haven't read the book ? What was you assessment of Mike Ashley BEFORE you re-assessed him last September, having not spent the Andy Carroll cash ? Still waiting for this one ? Actually, I've came to the conclusion now that its pointless discussing owt with you, you're as unaware as someone like ewerk about the football, and don't understand football business either.

on an annual basis, it wasn't much man. They backed their managers, that is how they attracted them and made the progress they made, in the first place

no, but I don't expect an intelligent comment from you when I post up chapter 6.

it absolutely is. No wonder he hasn't replied. When I come across it, I may expand on it and explain as he can't. I hadn't replied (until now) because I was at Heathrow on ye olde ipad and making sure I got on the tin can fast. Apologies for not logging on immediately I got home, after a week away, to answer. Fair point my arse. The "context" of the statement is irrelevant, that said I find it hard to see what conceivable context could turn the words into something other than they say. The statement in my signature encapsulates my opinion perfectly, that is all. I do look forward to seeing your spin though. Maybe " By the time the business was sold , it was in financial chaos. Financially, it was in a worse state in 2007 than it had been in 1990 when SJH acquired it, but it had become the fifth best pile of financial shite as opposed to the 20th best pile of financial shite as it was in 1990” but you haven't read the book, and have no idea of what surrounds the clip you have made, right ? You know nowt about the club, and you're not even prepared to read about it. There is little hope for you.

:icon_lol: you sound more and more like macbeth every day, who also stated that a million quid a year or so had a huge impact on our failure to win the title. He probably backs the disappearance of 25m quid of the Carroll transfer fee too, just like you. Have you answered what I asked you about your own sig yet ? Waste of time debating anything with you tbh, you're clueless. Just like macbeth.