luckyluke 1 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 What happened?! As far as I can tell they did not follow 'the rules of engagement' - whatever they are - and an Afghan insurgent ended up dead. Does that mean they shot an insurgent who had already surrendered? Was it a mistake or a result of nervousness in a tense situation? Or was it a case of something more sinister - the fact it arose from something civilian police found on laptop of one the soldiers is a bit concerning, as is that so many are implicated. have tremendous appreciation for the armed forces and the work they do (even if I don't always agree with why they're doing it), but there have been incidents in throughout history where soldiers, like anybody else, abuse the power that they have and perform malicious acts. In the news today there are reports of shows of support across the country for the marines ("free the five" ribbons etc). With so much unknown about the case I find myself a little uncomfortable with this, of course they are innocent until proven otherwise though. Do you think the marines should be held to account for what they do (even if it's against the enemy)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3226 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 They shot an insurgent. Well done lads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 They shot an insurgent. Well done lads. What details have been confirmed to suggest the Afghan was an insurgent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3226 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 The headline in the papers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26550 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 There's a difference?[/KCG] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3226 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Difference to what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 An innocent Afghan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3226 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 There is a huge difference but no one has suggested they have killed an innocent afghan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 There is a huge difference but no one has suggested they have killed an innocent afghan? That's what I am asking? What is it that makes this victim an insurgent? Why is it being investigated if its one of many insurgents killed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3226 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Not following engagement procedure. Or possibly they couldn't be arsed escorting him back to camp / look after him and decided on immediate action. Or just thought fuck it this prick deserves to die. Wouldn't be the first in a contact situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 So what is it that he did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3226 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 The victim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3226 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Fuck knows he is the enemy in a guerilla war where they going around shooting girls for going to school. I would not care if the cooked him alive in a vat of pigs piss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 The first 2 words in your response contradict the matter of fact statement that follows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3226 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Know it doesn't he is an insurgent the enemy. The question is what did he do. He existed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5950 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Iirc they were filmed querying whether to give him medical treatment and decided against it, letting him die. I assume it was a civilian if they've been done for it. Rightly so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26550 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 So summary executions are just fine with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3226 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Of the enemy yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3226 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Iirc they were filmed querying whether to give him medical treatment and decided against it, letting him die. I assume it was a civilian if they've been done for it. Rightly so Again every news outlet has reported the victim as an insurgent no one has suggested he was an innocent civilian. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26550 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Civilian or not, surely the Geneva Convention requires that he is given medical attention? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26550 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Of the enemy yes. So you've no complaints when the same happens to British soldiers then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3226 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 I really don't give a fuck about the geneva convention when it comes to treating a guerilla insurgent. Luckily I don't have to make those kind of choices anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3226 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 So you've no complaints when the same happens to British soldiers then? Same happens to British soldiers all the time out there. And schoolgirls, medical workers, aid workers etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5950 Posted October 28, 2012 Share Posted October 28, 2012 Its matterless whether he was or wasn't tbh. Killing people outside rules of engagement is straight up murder. And thats not even getting into the fact foreign soldiers are trawling their streets shooting people against the natives wishes. People would have summit to say if a load of armed foreigners invaded this country in the name of democracy like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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