Christmas Tree 4005 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 Despite the fact that only Cabaye had more assists last season? He had 7 according to .co.uk last season. This season he has 2 from 13 starts. Marveaux has 4 from 4 starts. Im not sure what a decent return is for an attacking player in the prem. HF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13915 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 That's ignoring the fact that we were hoofing it for most of Hatem's starts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 Yes. Thank you for the Deano-esque diagram Feel free to pick the bones out of it if you wish....thats obviously if Ba leaves, if Ba stays, he starts every time. You're welcome. Not going to pick fault with it at all. I think we are currently spoiled re midfielders so its interesting to see peoples thoughts etc. For instance we Anita who suddenly seems to have found his premiership feet very quickly but will struggle to get into most peoples first 11. We also have Marveaux who has there or there abouts been our best player in the last two very creative games, but again wont get in a lot of peoples first 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 It's shit like this that reminds me CT knows fuck all about football and bases all his decisions on gut instinct. Marveaux has played a sum total of 1053 minutes for Newcastle's first team, scoring twice and providing three assists. Hatem Ben Arfa has scored 3 and provided 4 assists, this season. He is clearly a better player. Despite this, CT reckons Marveaux should be preferred. For a moment, take yourself off spout mode. I have not once said Marveaux should be prefered over Ben Arfa. Both are in my team, HBA in his normal position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 15003 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I think that's the rub here like, Even with no injuries, we don't really have the quality in the squad that would mean we can try different personell to any great extent and see much discussion of a "best team". Debuchy would always start ahead of Simpson. Colo and Taylor would always start ahead of Williamson. Santon would always start ahead of Ferguson Ben Arfa ahead of Marveaux Tiote/cabaye ahead of Perch/Anita Ba ahead of Shola The notion of Marveaux keeping Ben Arfa out of the starting team is preposterous. Coming off the bench for him he could do the job maybe. Thats the decision Prdew has been bottling all season...he's been trying to keep his top strikers happy, which meant for a long time 442. As a result results have suffered. He's been hampered all season with injuries which in a way made it easy for him to persist with picking two "purples" when only is required for the one role in the team, assuming that it goes without saying that the best formation is 433. Marveux in front of HBA? Again, CT on the wind up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 Thats the decision Prdew has been bottling all season...he's been trying to keep his top strikers happy, which meant for a long time 442. As a result results have suffered. He's been hampered all season with injuries which in a way made it easy for him to persist with picking two "purples" when only is required for the one role in the team, assuming that it goes without saying that the best formation is 433. Marveux in front of HBA? Again, CT on the wind up. Oh dear Please point out where I said that? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 He had 7 according to .co.uk last season. This season he has 2 from 13 starts. Marveaux has 4 from 4 starts. Im not sure what a decent return is for an attacking player in the prem. HF? The sample size for Marveaux isn't large enough at the moment I would say. With so few starts to his name, sheer enthusiasm will still be a factor carrying him through the games he does get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 The problem I have with HBA (which I'll be mocked for but hey ho), is that you just never know what he is going to do so its very hard for those around him to predict or play too. Of course it will result in a few amazing goals a season, but maybe not as many assists. I think someone like Marveaux would more often look for and find a telling pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 15003 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 (edited) Oh dear Please point out where I said that? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasssssssssssssssssseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee To be fair, you havent. Youve got both Marveux and HBA in a sort of 3 "inside forward" line along with Demba Ba, the club's leading scorer and the second top scorer in England Then you have what appears to be a two man midfield...it would appear to be an approximation of.....well,as far as I can make out and funnily enough it looks to me like Terry Vanables's much-vaunted "Christmas Tree" formation which hasnt been played in the premier league by anyone....well anyone since TV himself employed it at Boro. For a couple of games. Southgate said the other players couldnt understand it , which is a bit ironic when you think about it.... Edited January 2, 2013 by PaddockLad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 6450 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 CT is good for the post count on here as there's just so many ways to point out how he is wrong, and as it is the internet there's always a queue of people willing to do so. Seriously. No offense mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 CT is good for the post count on here as there's just so many ways to point out how he is wrong, and as it is the internet there's always a queue of people willing to do so. Seriously. No offense mate Toontastic Poster of the Year 2012 tbh. Whatever his ills he generates more debate on here than anyone, and he does it largely without repitition/causing offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 The sample size for Marveaux isn't large enough at the moment I would say. With so few starts to his name, sheer enthusiasm will still be a factor carrying him through the games he does get. I was more wondering what was considered a decent number of assists per season from good midfielders. As for enthusiasm factor, surely that would be the same foe HBA last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 I hope thats not an attempt to give some credibility to Fish or PL's nonsense. Ben Arfa AND Marveaux are in my team. Marveaux is in the middle and HBA is on the right where he usually plays. You could argue Im picking Marveaux over Anita, Jonas or Perch, if you so wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 To be fair, you havent. Youve got both Marveux and HBA in a sort of 3 "inside forward" line along with Demba Ba, the club's leading scorer and the second top scorer in England Then you have what appears to be a two man midfield...it would appear to be an approximation of.....well,as far as I can make out and funnily enough it looks to me like Terry Vanables's much-vaunted "Christmas Tree" formation which hasnt been played in the premier league by anyone....well anyone since TV himself employed it at Boro. For a couple of games. Southgate said the other players couldnt understand it , which is a bit ironic when you think about it.... Its the same 4231 formation we've been playing in most of our recent games Krul Simpson Williamson Coloccini Santon Tiote Bigi Cisse Marveaux Obertan Ba I just changed the personnel. Krul Debuchy Taylor Coloccini Santon Tiote Cabaye HBA Marveaux Ba Cisse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 CT is good for the post count on here as there's just so many ways to point out how he is wrong, and as it is the internet there's always a queue of people willing to do so. Seriously. No offense mate None taken. If you could out one thing Im wrong about in this thread Id be grateful? I'll wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 I was more wondering what was considered a decent number of assists per season from good midfielders. As for enthusiasm factor, surely that would be the same foe HBA last year? Only table I can find is this one which shows Cabaye on 6 ????? Does anyone know if thats right and .co.uk is wrong or a more reliable site? http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/assists/_/league/eng.1/year/2011/barclays-premier-league?cc=5739 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9313 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I said you preferred Marveaux. If you can't read, you can't play. Thems the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 6450 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 None taken. If you could out one thing Im wrong about in this thread Id be grateful? I'll wait. In this instance it's not so much that you're wrong per se, but moreover that you have very little credibility. This extends to discerning footballing ability. You are endowed with a diminutive understanding of football on the basis of never playing it and having had a severely limited exposure (as you admit). Oddly enough depending on the day of the week (??) you'll pop up admitting that you know very little but on others you'll carry on as though yours is the definitive opinion. Nobody knows why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 I was more wondering what was considered a decent number of assists per season from good midfielders. As for enthusiasm factor, surely that would be the same foe HBA last year? It would have been, aye. 7 assists in 16 was a better return than his 2 from 13 this term. A drop from almost one in two games to one in six. I'll do you an overview of the top ten midfielders in the league for assists... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 I said you preferred Marveaux. If you can't read, you can't play. Thems the rules. But Ben Arfa does not play where I have chosen to play Marveaux. I have picked Marveaux instead of Jonas, Perch, Anita. Do you understand the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 In this instance it's not so much that you're wrong Thats what I thought, Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9313 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 But Ben Arfa does not play where I have chosen to play Marveaux. I have picked Marveaux instead of Jonas, Perch, Anita. Do you understand the difference? You are truly dense. You prefer Marveaux. Do you understand what "prefer" means? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 6450 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 Ignorance is bliss eh mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 9313 Posted January 2, 2013 Share Posted January 2, 2013 It would have been, aye. 7 assists in 16 was a better return than his 2 from 13 this term. A drop from almost one in two games to one in six. I'll do you an overview of the top ten midfielders in the league for assists... Also the entire team played better, and gauging a player's contribution on stats alone doesn't give the bigger picture. Ben Arfa hasn't provided as many assists so far, but I'd still prefer him to Marveaux, because he is likely to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4005 Posted January 2, 2013 Author Share Posted January 2, 2013 You are truly dense. You prefer Marveaux. Do you understand what "prefer" means? No, you are trying to be clever and failing. Both players are in my team, Ben Arfa playing where he ALWAYS PLAYS. How does me choosing to play Ben Arfa where he ALWAYS PLAYS mean I know "fuck all about football"? A simple answer will do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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