Park Life 70 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Campaign promise? *Shudders* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 i like how you have lumped him under the category 'whistleblower'. very good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 i like how you have lumped him under the category 'whistleblower'. very good! His leaks have exposed crimes. He's the very definition of a whistle blower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 never mind 'aiding the enemy' then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 never mind 'aiding the enemy' then. Give me one example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 14724 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Can't see how the Pentagon spying on the entire world forever is aiding anyone. They did miss the 9/11 plot though so it's no wonder they're a bit jumpy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6008 Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 I thought it was common knoweldge that they didn't miss it/helped plan it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Can't see how the Pentagon spying on the entire world forever is aiding anyone. They did miss the 9/11 plot though so it's no wonder they're a bit jumpy... Lot of it is commercial and intellectual property spying to gain advantages for american companies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Give me one example. By directly and indirectly giving information to terrorists on U.S intelligence capabilities. You say whisteblower, I say traitor and dissident. He could go back to the U.S if he wanted to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 9, 2013 Author Share Posted November 9, 2013 By directly and indirectly giving information to terrorists on U.S intelligence capabilities. You say whisteblower, I say traitor and dissident. He could go back to the U.S if he wanted to. That's not an example. Terrorists know they are being monitored in everything they do and always have known. That's not what has been a revelation here. Absurd to suggest they were all on Facebook planning attacks before the leaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 That's not an example. Terrorists know they are being monitored in everything they do and always have known. That's not what has been a revelation here. Absurd to suggest they were all on Facebook planning attacks before the leaks. -It is. -Of course they know now. are you suggesting that they ALL knew before? -Nobody did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 9, 2013 Author Share Posted November 9, 2013 -It is. -Of course they know now. are you suggesting that they ALL knew before? -Nobody did. Its not an example. You've repeated the same vague claim with no evidence. EVERYBODY knew and expected that all forms of communication were being monitored for anyone linked to any terrorist activity....the terrorists more than anyone else. To suggest otherwise is to imagine a terrorist organisation that thinks nothing of discussing their next big plot on Skype or DMing each other about where to get some anthrax. An idiotic notion. The revelations have been that everyone else is being monitored. Nothing revealed has been of any benefit to any terrorists with even the most basic skills in evading capture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 Its not an example. You've repeated the same vague claim with no evidence. EVERYBODY knew and expected that all forms of communication were being monitored for anyone linked to any terrorist activity....the terrorists more than anyone else. To suggest otherwise is to imagine a terrorist organisation that thinks nothing of discussing their next big plot on Skype or DMing each other about where to get some anthrax. An idiotic notion. The revelations have been that everyone else is being monitored. Nothing revealed has been of any benefit to any terrorists with even the most basic skills in evading capture. You are one of those types who sit watching youtube conspiracy theories believing in moon landing hoaxes, alien landings and 9/11 was an inside job. Has your chimney been swept to accomodate santa? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 9, 2013 Author Share Posted November 9, 2013 You are one of those types who sit watching youtube conspiracy theories believing in moon landing hoaxes, alien landings and 9/11 was an inside job. Has your chimney been swept to accomodate santa? What makes you say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted November 9, 2013 Share Posted November 9, 2013 What makes you say that? He won't get down if it's not swept will he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 9, 2013 Author Share Posted November 9, 2013 Aye, talking shite then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26622 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 Snowden learned a lot from the baseless attacks on Manning for irresponsibility and went to great lengths to ensure the same propagandistic criticism couldn't be levelled at him. Whistleblowing, to the extent that it is a crime, is protected under law of course. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistleblower_protection_in_the_United_States From Obama's campaign pledges... The irony being, 10 people in the history of the US have been charged with espionage, Snowden was Obama's 8th. He's clamped down on whistleblowing more harshly than all other presidents combined. The campaign promise has since been deleted from his web page http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/26/obama-whistleblower-website_n_3658815.html The attacks weren't baseless though, Bradley Manning passed a huge amount of data to a guy he didn't know particularly well and had no idea of the details of what he had passed on or what was going to be done with it. Snowden has maintained control the whole way through this over the leaks he has conducted and has done so in such a way that he couldn't seriously be accused of endangering US lives or interests, despite what some in the US government will say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 10, 2013 Author Share Posted November 10, 2013 The attacks weren't baseless though, Bradley Manning passed a huge amount of data to a guy he didn't know particularly well and had no idea of the details of what he had passed on or what was going to be done with it. Snowden has maintained control the whole way through this over the leaks he has conducted and has done so in such a way that he couldn't seriously be accused of endangering US lives or interests, despite what some in the US government will say. But even those who most vocally insisted that manning had harmed national security and/or individuals in the field have not come up with a single example and admitted that the damaging fallout from the leak failed to materialise in any way. It's just a reflexive attack that those embarrassed by leaks make every time. Elsberg got the same after the pentagon papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted November 10, 2013 Share Posted November 10, 2013 But for treason the penalty is death. Dragged through the streets of shanksville tied to a horse. The american people deserve better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 18, 2013 Author Share Posted November 18, 2013 Shocking how much of it was a discussion of a hypothetical threat and how little was asked about the collection of data on innocent people. Proper media show to Reduce reporting on the Miranda case IYAM. Quelle surprise... AN UNPRECEDENTED public appearance by UK spy chiefs has been labelled a “total pantomime” after it emerged that they were told of questions in advance. A private deal was struck with the heads of MI5, MI6 and GCHQ to ensure they did not face any surprises when they were grilled before an audience, sources close to Westminster’s secretive intelligence and security committee (ISC) have revealed. The agreement followed a year of delicate negotiations and was a condition for the three spy bosses to subject themselves to public cross- examination. The disclosure explains the apparently “soft” line of questioning during the hearing and why there were relatively few revelations. http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/uk_news/National/article1341644.ece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 The whole thing looked staged to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 18, 2013 Author Share Posted November 18, 2013 Inside story from David Miranda... http://www.buzzfeed.com/natashavc/david-miranda-is-nobodys-errand-boy James Arthur wouldn't be a fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 The National Security Agency has been gathering records of online sexual activity and evidence of visits to pornographic websites as part of a proposed plan to harm the reputations of those whom the agency believes are radicalizing others through incendiary speeches, according to a top-secret NSA document. The document, provided by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, identifies six targets, all Muslims, as “exemplars” of how “personal vulnerabilities” can be learned through electronic surveillance, and then exploited to undermine a target's credibility, reputation and authority. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/26/nsa-porn-muslims_n_4346128.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 26622 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Didn't Putin offer him asylum on the condition that he stopped leaking? And I thought he really meant it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 Didn't Putin offer him asylum on the condition that he stopped leaking? And I thought he really meant it. He leaked all he had in Hong Kong iirc. Journo's that have the doccos taking the time to get to get the stories out. Better to drip feed than big bang anyway. Helps invite and then catch the lies like "Stops terrorist's plots only" and "no US citizens" or "not any content" etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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