the gooser

i think the original 'big 5' was due to how rich the '5', Man Utd, Liverpool, Everton, Arsenal and Spurs were. nothing to do with league positions i may be wrong though

oooh thank god that whole chapter is dead in the water

Christ no - they were nowt to do with me thank god.

a lady boy

I'm a big fan of all the, err, Irish stuff, yep I love your pop music, Enya and, err, the other one... ripped off the Pope, bald chap? And I think.... that's it.

Bucktoothed simpletons with eyebrows on their cheeks... horses running through council estates... men in platform shoes being arrested for bombings... badly tarmacced drives in THIS country.

the edge is foyne...

sunday bloody sunday....

You look like a gay sailor cheers babe x

i rate carroll. i think he's got huge potential

if you look at the top 8 over the past 7/8 years, look at the teams that have been in it and look what they have all spent. most have a sugar daddy or atleast chairmen who are willing to spend a lot of money. as iv said, over achieving would maybe be for one or two seasons. i don't think you can say everton are over achieving anymore because we have managed to stay there season after season

You started to decline because of money as well, and its' growing importance in football. Everton have a good history in English football, the same as we (whether you like to admit it or not) do. The dawn of the Premiership changed everything though. The money came in from SKY, and for the first time clubs were starting to be ran as proper commercial ventures, and revenues went through the roof. Newcastle's turnover went up from £4m in 1991 to £100m in 2000. Everton couldn't bridge the gap financially with the likes of ourselves, Manchester United and yes Liverpool, because of the vast businesses these clubs became. You were reduced to selling your best players like Gary Speed and Big Dunc because the club couldn't generate enough income to knock back huge offers. You can slag Kenwright all you like but what do you want him to do. It's only now Everton are starting to generate a reasonable amount of income and half of that comes from your supporters through ticket sales and merchandise. the premiership did indeed change football. for the worse, in my humble opinion. it came at a time when peter johnson (a life long liverpool fan and season ticket holder) bought out our club. he held us back whilst other teams around us went from strength to strength. bill kenwright then bought us out, and although theres no doubt he loves the club, he simply hasn't got the money to run us the way we should be run. he claims to want investment but doesn't want to sell his baby, so to speak. he claims that we are up for sale, yet year after year refuses to tell the shareholders how much for. he can't, because he has absolutely no intention of selling up. gary speed left due to something that happened within the club. it had absolutely nothing to do with financial reasons. we do have to sell to buy, still to this day. which is why kenwright needs to go

over achievers over the past decade, maybe. you could also argue that if we happened to finish in the top 6/7 once it would be classed as over achieving. however, considering we have done it consistantly over the past few years would suggest that its nothing to do with over achieving, we just have a very good team, manager and work ethic. before the 90s everton were known as 'the mersey millionaires'. it was only when a kopite season ticket holder bought us that we started to decline. im pretty sure you can relate to that

I've never heard anyone say that about Newcastle like. you lot are in a bleeding coma

everton have always been known as 'sleeping giants' not my words, the words of the press over the decades you're still stuck in the starting blocks

True, but the only reason you're on here is because you're fuckin jealous of those crowds. Be a good little bell end and run along to admire all your 20 zillion trophies....we don't care about you, them or your club.....and one things for sure we'll never be in our nearest and bitterest rivals shadow, or be so piss poor in comparison to them that they have to take up a rivalry with another club. havent they just spent the last season in the division above you? Yeah but its not quite the same as 5 European cups and 18 league titles is it? Or that a now pretty much second rate Liverpool still look down their noses at you lot. Historically we're more succesful than Sunderland. Thats a narrow minded and parochial view admittedly, but its mostly what English football is about, outside of the top level anyway. And lets face it, both Newcastle and Everton know all about being outside the top level. really? we have been in the top flight of english football since the 50s

True, but the only reason you're on here is because you're fuckin jealous of those crowds. Be a good little bell end and run along to admire all your 20 zillion trophies....we don't care about you, them or your club.....and one things for sure we'll never be in our nearest and bitterest rivals shadow, or be so piss poor in comparison to them that they have to take up a rivalry with another club. havent they just spent the last season in the division above you?

again, what do you win for filling your ground? merseyside takes in the wirral, where most people have their own football team - tranmere rovers. it also takes in st. helens which is full of melts who only follow rugby you don't win anything for having a full stadium

Liverpool population- 460,000 Newcastle population- 190,000 From 2001 census. what difference does that make? you still only have 1 team But Everton and Liverpool are historically far more successful clubs, which, according to some, is all that matters You should be packed out every week old son because you won the FA cup in 1995. so higher attendances matter more than trophy's won? how many points do you get for filling your ground? About as many as you get for winning the FA cup, which you used further back in the thread when you said you were awful in the 90s and yet still won more than us, which is true. By the way, do you lot still send Hans Segers christmas cards? a trophy is a trophy. id rather win the FA cup than fill our ground with 40 thousand people waving their shoes in the air. as for your segers comment, the only game he was found guilty of throwing was actually against our lovable neighbours from across the park.

Liverpool population- 460,000 Newcastle population- 190,000 From 2001 census. what difference does that make? you still only have 1 team But Everton and Liverpool are historically far more successful clubs, which, according to some, is all that matters You should be packed out every week old son because you won the FA cup in 1995. so higher attendances matter more than trophy's won? how many points do you get for filling your ground?

Liverpool population- 460,000 Newcastle population- 190,000 From 2001 census. what difference does that make? you still only have 1 team

again, fan base argument you're a 1 club city. you're bound to have higher attendances i actually love newcastle getting so much attention. it help the rest of the country laugh at you

a true gent and great ambassador for the game up there with the true greats of british football. both players and managers dixie dean, bill shankly, brian clough, alan ball, sir alf et al x

And why does Craig seem to have a name for them all? email addy>facebook page the worlds not what it once was

Aye. and enjoy Dan gosling. I'd rather have Hibbert. retardwink.gif "Bitterness, bitterness...." We'll speak at the end of the season kidder Maybe as well, someone will have a valid reason by that point why Scousers are more deserving of a criminal status. ooooh, low blow haha innocent 'till proven guilty etc (if that was aimed at me)