Pacinofan

You mean 'dogging central'?? Yea, that an all

tbf Stevie as you know I go there quite regularly and I think that while it has gone places that are an absolute shit-hole, there's some fantastic architecture there too. The Mann Island / Strand / 3 Graces / Albert Dock area is stunning and is on a par with some of the better areas of our city. Does it need further investment? Of course but which city (particualrly in the north of this country) doesn't? Big problem with Liverpool is a massive amount of land, particularly to the west of the city centre is owned by Mersey Docks & Harbour and as industrial land, they're not willing to throw any money at it. It's outside the jurisdiction of the council so what can be done? They're also finally getting around to sorting out the garden festival site which has laid abandoned for 26 years. The city centre (presume you mean the shopping area) has had massive investment in recent years with the development of Liverpool One which has brought the city centre right down to the waterfront. It's a million times better than it was. EDIT: My opinion of the Catholic Cathedral was similar to yours until I actually went inside it recently. Magnificent architecture and a truly stunning unique building. The crypt of the original catholic catherdral (the design they abandoned) is even better and the location of the Liverpool Beer Festival I'm led to believe A pretty accurate post Craig. You're right about that land, although Peel Holdings bought it from MDHB a number of years ago and have it earmarked for their Liverpool Waters project which is supposedly a 50 year plan. There's not a great deal of confidence in Peel it has to be said. The bad areas you mention also have their nice parts, like all places. Council estates anywhere in the country will always be brought down by the minority of bad residents, but outside of these areas most towns have their nice parts. Netherton used to come under Bootle council until the re-organisation of councils, and was used as a Bootle overspill. Bootle was also one of the worst hit places in the country during WW11 so from that premise they've done reasonably well. The Festival site is an eyesore and will take a lot of clearing to get it back to a semblence of what it was. It has it's good side though because it adjoins Otterspool Prom, which is a riverside walk and a large area of parkland just a five minute drive from the Pier Head.

funny shaped church as being a superb neo-classical piece of architecture of our time, I didn't realise it needed a name for someone to make an aesthetical judgement on it? What lack of knowledge are you refering to? The fact I don't the name of a church shaped like a fuckin teepee. You live in a bubble in that city mate. Teepee shaped? You must be talking about Paddys Wigwam which is as far from neo classical as you can get, you keep giving examples of your lack of knowledge.

The old law courts, that part is only used for the film industry now, but aye in it's day it saw enough Scousers to fill it twice over I dare say.

http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=h...%26tbs%3Disch:1 Is this what you think is a church Barrack Road?

Obviously not everyone, that's why I said, so many others.

I've been to Liverpool enough to make a judgement. I hate it when people criticise Newcastle upon Tyne, and I'm sure you're the same with Liverpool. I've never been on LSD whenever I've been to your city, so my eyes weren't lying when I've seen it as a shithole. Makes me laugh when people go on about that funny shaped church as being a superb neo-classical piece of architecture of our time, to me it's a bigger eyesore than Cruddas Park flats. Criticism of the city I live in doesn't bother me. It's the complete lack of knowledge of a subject that irritates me and despite you saying you've visited your ignorance is astounding. What church are you talking about? Does it have a name? It's good that so many others from around the country look at Liverpool differently to you.

Fifth highest wages. You'd be buying the stature and a plot of land with planning permission already granted for a new stadium.

Reading the highlighted line is all the expansion needed. You don't know your subject and only idiots try to sound knowledgable about subjects they know nothing about.

Have you ever been? Out of interest. I'm guessing you're an American, correct? Born and bred Liverpudlian. The Wirral is a nice place to live but it's footballer area, you'd expect it to be nice. This side of the water has some lovely places to live as well, just like most areas. The slave trade benefitted loads of towns in this country but most of Liverpools finer buildings were built well after the slave trade had ended.

Les Ferdinand turned them and Villa down to sign for us. Players are fickle if we were above them in the league over a three or four year period, we'd be seen as just as attractive a proposition. Who wants to live in that shithole anyway, I can never get my head round it. Do Liverpool FC have a redeeming feature? Fans? Players? Ex Players? Area? Tell me if they do, I need educating about the endearing qualities of this club. Many people don't think it's a shithole http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=60 There are plenty of threads there to see what other people around the country think of Liverpool and what a splendid place it is. For the rest of your post I'd say you need education period.