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How does the UK government nationalise a Swiss/US/German/French/Japanese business who operates across the globe? Hmm. They had one in Russia way back when, didnt produce anything though. The government has looked at this for ages and come up with the only sensible conclusion. I only said it to wind you up man. though there's plenty of British ones, including GSK who you worked for, right? I don't know who you work for now, but as a previous employee of the second largest pharmeceutical company on the planet it's hardly suprising that you'd push the privatisation agenda. You might as well be a Blackwater worker justifying Iraq. I would have thought GSK was pretty global like, any attempt to privatise it would just lead them to leave the UK entirely. Not that I think privatisation would even be desirable. With ever improving (and expensive) technology and an aging demographic, paying top up fees (with or without insurance) for drugs that are not deemed cost effective seems eminently sensible to me. What realistic alternative do you suggest? Doesn't sound very wise to me. If we're willing to say to a pharmaceutical company "the drugs that you price too highly, you can sell at that non-cost effective price privately", what kind of incentive is that for them to produce the drugs at the lowest price possible? Every innovation would be initially priced to cater only to the private market. Don't believe the hype that private firms go out on a limb altruistically pushing to cure diseases at huge cost to themselves and their shareholders and so deserve a return on that investment. US drug companies spend more than twice as much marketing their products as they do researching and developing them*. My alternative? Keep assessing the cost effectiveness and refuse to bow to the pressure. * https://www.tai.org.au/documents/dp_fulltext/DP55.pdf (page 10)

How does the UK government nationalise a Swiss/US/German/French/Japanese business who operates across the globe? Hmm. They had one in Russia way back when, didnt produce anything though. The government has looked at this for ages and come up with the only sensible conclusion. I only said it to wind you up man. though there's plenty of British ones, including GSK who you worked for, right? I don't know who you work for now, but as a previous employee of the second largest pharmeceutical company on the planet it's hardly suprising that you'd push the privatisation agenda. You might as well be a Blackwater worker justifying Iraq.

They want to nationalise the pharmeceutical companies rather than privatise the NHS.

Willl be having a pint with me fatha. Ex navy man. And it's his birthday. The parade goes past the bottom of my street, but 10am is a bit too early on a Sunday for me?

Aye, you've sucked people into a completely useless and unimportant debate. Can you direct me to the useful, important debates on Toontastic please? I like it when someone plays devils advocate. Fop makes a slightly better fist of it than Thompers used to too. [/damning with faint praise]

The Dave Brubeck Quartet - Take Five "Nice"

Like Michael Moore, Nader might be a twat, but the squinty eyed stupid voiced goon appeals to my wooly liberal sensibility. twat imo Legend man, he's just repeating what Harry Belafonte asked of Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice.

Like Michael Moore, Nader might be a twat, but the squinty eyed stupid voiced goon appeals to my wooly liberal sensibility.

Fuel for Fops fire.... Ralph articulates valid criticism better than Fop like. Went on Fox News and questioned whether Obama would be an "Uncle Tom" too.

I disagree. Even John Kerry would have won this time if you ask me. The average winning margin for each of the states Obama won was 17%. That might have been lower for Clinton, but the basic result would still have been 'not Republican'.

Hmmm.. where on pge 7 exactly. I refer you to my previous state of Dollyness I just wondered if I could make you check. (it was page 13 ) I'll admit, tearing apart your 'arguments' does help pass the time at work, but it's a shame when you stop even trying.

It's just funny tbh, the valid point gets lost in the frenzy, but it's still amusing. List the valid points you've made again. In fact, just give one of them. List the invalid ones (I know your game too well and I won't play it ) That is the question. Aye, a shit question. Most people would take "how long is a piece of string?" as a rhetorical question that indicates a dead end in the discussion. You seem to want to get into whether or not it's actually string and it's motives behind masquerading as string when some consider it rope. But clearly people do make that judgement when it comes to "race". Example? Page 7. You've not posted on there.

That is the question. Aye, a shit question. Most people would take "how long is a piece of string?" as a rhetorical question that indicates a dead end in the discussion. You seem to want to get into whether or not it's actually string and it's motives behind masquerading as string when some consider it rope. But clearly people do make that judgement when it comes to "race". Example?

That is the question. Aye, a shit question. Most people would take "how long is a piece of string?" as a rhetorical question that indicates a dead end in the discussion. You seem to want to get into whether or not it's actually string and it's motives behind masquerading as string when some consider it rope.

Racist. But what I find most interesting in this thread is the way you lot perceive people, at what point they become "black", it's really quite intriguing. Maybe we should try to find out about the East Asian perception here too. At what height does somebody become tall?

This reminds me of a teacher at school who gave us a talk on race in assembly. She told the story (probably made up) of her young daughter, who was pointing out a friend to her at the swimming pool. She went through everything "The one with black hair", "the one with long hair", "the short one", "she's limping a bit". Finally the teacher realised she meant the black lass. And she held this up as some sort of paragon, her daughter's color blindness was supposed to be something she could be proud of. Utter bollocks, the kid was black, it's her most distinguishing feature, it's the first that would sensibly be used to identify her. The bint of a teacher had taught her kid that race was tabboo, something shameful and not to be mentioned, unlike hair colour or length, or height, or disability. I suppose that was the olden days, but it amazed me even as a kid myself.

Nah, he's just playing both sides again. Because he's black he must be hustling? You racist bastard. Labelling someone because of their skin tone is racism. Is it? I thought it was discrimination or prejudice. You're saying merely mentioning someones race makes you racist?

Nah, he's just playing both sides again. Because he's black he must be hustling? You racist bastard.

Reminds me of that Blur song about the stars. Loved that track. Isn't Aldebaran Princess Leia's home planet that got blew up?

They expect me to believe that? Photoshopped tbh.

What's the betting this is all over Sky Sports soon.

Aye, but in the same way a vet is just a failed doctor, FBI agents are just not good enough for the secret service.

Wasn't it rednecks who set off the Oklahoma bomb? The president wasn't in Oklahoma with his $1.5Bn of secret service protection that day though.

Rednecks don't have the capability to take out the prisident. Haliburton on the otherhand with their snipers trained in 1200 yard long shooting ranges have. Of course the CIA will give Obama a year or two in the job to see how he fares before tendering that contract. Pun intended.

Who would have got your vote Fop? Anyone but Hilary. But out of the two, probably Obama (or perhaps a 3rd candidate protest vote ). I'm holding out for the first hispanic lesbian President before I throw my weight behind them. I thought as much. This reminds me of the 'Lest we forget thread' where you chose Rememberance Sunday to tell everyone that they've forgotten WW1's heroes. As if you were the only one that could realise the horror of such a thing, when in fact, you're in very much the same boat as all the rest of us. See you tomorrow for more straw man erecting you attention whore.