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Based on the clip of her versus Ian Hislop that's going around, it would appear that she does not.

The manner in which the politics played out was very coup like. They took a 48:52 vote split and took it to the most extreme position possible without having no deal. Coupled with Johnson's parliamentary shenanigans, I think we can call it a coup and still blame people for voting to enable it.

Johnson may be the most opportunistic, Gove may be the most repulsively vile, and Hancock may be the most pathetic, but Patel is honestly the most downright callous and mean.

And there's a public majority for it allegedly. If you take all 100% of people who voted for Brexit, I think I recall reading that the highest percentage of support from that group for any other policy, is for the death penalty to be brought back.

Wait, UKIP are still trying to be a thing? Independence from what, exactly? Rational thought is my best guess but I'd imagine they've got something else in mind.

I'm not convinced Don Jr has the same appeal as his father, I don't think we have to worry about a resurgence of the Trump legacy after this, they're being cast out of the Republican party in full. Ted Cruz maybe taking on the mantle, or Tucker Carlson if he decides to swing that way.

I assume it would also prevent Trump from getting classified intel after he leaves office. Which I think is a must, frankly.

I just noticed the overall total for the first time in a while - 100k deaths man, christ. How many would have been avoidable with better decision making? It's a tragedy.

All this just so that they could play at being kingmakers. Wankers. I wonder where we'd be if they'd not propped up May early doors.

That is hands down one of the worst interviews I've ever seen Hancock give. He should be sacked on the spot just for being so fucking useless.

Pathetic.

Well I hope they get maximum value out of it. And then proceed to bar him from ever running again, not that I expect he'll make it that far.

It looks like they won't get impeachment through against Trump because it requires a 2/3 majority which the Democrats don't have. I don't know why anyone even bothered entertaining it in light of that fact. However, apparently he could be barred from ever running for office again by the 14th Amendment which notes the formal disqualification of someone who has been involved in insurrection against the government. That's probably a nice middle of the road solution for a lot of this anyway, and makes sure that the cult of personality around him is at a total dead end.

Aye.

Cool, case closed then. Thanks ewerk

Once Twitter moved, Amazon had to? Once facebook did, Google had to? I'm not sure I'm going to be convinced of this, it looks pretty clear cut to me that it was co-ordinated.

Parler could have taken the same action though, it notionally agrees to the same principles as I understand it. The difference is that it had no opportunity to do so in the same way that twitter and facebook have had. I'm not really calling it a conspiracy either, at least in the sense that conspiracies denote something nefarious, whereas this is more an act of righteousness. I'm merely looking at 5 technological giants all deciding within 24 hours of each other to delete Trump supporters en masse, along with an outsider site that is less guilty than several of the 5 major players in getting us to the point we're at, and concluding that they probably all have lines of communication open between them in order to co-ordinate their actions to inflict maximum damage. As for 'why not do it in the Obama years' - this sort of implies that you think my view here is that big tech are working hand in hand with the democrats and politicians. I don't think that. The democrats have said next to nothing about Trump supporters and appear to be turning all their energies towards taking down Trump himself. Big tech are a law unto themselves IMO and they're on the front lines of the culture war. They've found a moment wherein they can do some serious damage to 'the other side' and they've taken it. Also, arguably the democrats and certainly big tech, are definitely not left wing. This is the revenge of the centreground. And it has my complete support because it demonstrates a will to actually do something about the out of control right wing after years of placating them. What I wouldn't give for something similar to happen over here.

But then why would Amazon, Google and Apple be involved in this. They're not overexposed here, certainly not ahead of Twitter and Facebook. I can see the argument but I think a significant part of this is shutting down as many Trump supporters as possible at least until Biden is sworn in, potentially to prevent them organising again. It's just too much, too fast, for it not to have been co-ordinated. I mean they've kicked the shit out of Parler from all sides, simultaneously. And it's not actually as big a problem for right wing radicalisation (in terms of sheer numbers) as facebook or twitter themselves. Why haven't they been kicked out of the app store? Because they're part of 'big tech' and 'big tech' appear to move as one on all things political. Anyway, yes, they should have done this ages ago - and frankly, both twitter and facebook should be getting the shit kicked out of them too. I hope they drown in committees.

Yeah don't disagree with any of this. It's no different.

I could buy the notion that they're enforcing terms of service if it hadn't all just kicked off at once. Twitter have banned 70,000 accounts since the riot, and the President (who they went to court against a couple of years ago to insist that everyone be able to see what he writes) - not before, since. Amazon takes down Parler, Google and Apple remove it from the app store, Facebook goes on similar purges. So for your version to be true, these companies would have to have been failing to enforce their own terms of service through wilful negligence, and when everything went down they realised they were hopelessly overexposed and needed to suddenly act like they gave a damn. Or no one was posting any fascist stuff until the riots kicked off. I could see it if it had just been twitter. All of them in there together, idk. Looks co-ordinated to me.

Well the extremist left and right are two sides of the same coin, so yeah they would be concerned. Although having said that, I've never seen any suggestion that the left has intended to overthrow government. It's worth noting that various world leaders, including respected ones like Angela Merkel, have expressed alarm at silicon valley coming together for the silencing of Trump. I'm only mentioning this to indicate that I'm not out here on a limb when I say that this is censorship. Even the Mexican president has called it out, and I can't imagine he's a big Trump fan. Fwiw, shutting down access to people and closing off dialogue because it's coming from the far right/fascists is 100% still the right thing to do, but 100% still censorship. So I agree with this: I guess we can agree that it's a co-ordinated political act, as Gloom implies by grouping them together. And that free speech must stop when fascism starts. So we are all totally in agreement on this, other than the word censorship, bizarrely - which is think is just because of the pejorative connotations. I don't see the harm in calling it what it is - necessary, positive, censorship. The kind that you need to apply to children because they lack the maturity and wisdom to understand what they're saying and doing.

That is unenviable.

What makes you think their bottom line has been challenged? No one cares anymore man, no one was gonna desert Twitter because they didn't ban Trump. Or Facebook. Parler wasn't taken down by Amazon before the capitol storming despite having all the same ammo available to them. They needed the excuse. I'm not sure why we're arguing this really anyway - I believe it's necessary and justifiable censorship because someone has to do or say something to stop this misinformed populist bullshit. You think private companies are taking people offline en masse because they're following all their usual processes and the timing is coincidental. Either way, we both agree that it needs to happen. Also either way, the entirety of the online right wing is claiming they are being oppressed and that this is censorship of their views. Even the left has raised eyebrows (likely out of concern that they're next). To repeat, I'm fully on board with it anyway. I'm long past caring about being reasonable in this complete shitshow the right have foisted on us.

Yeah but it's a very co-ordinated strike. It's clearly politically motivated and I say this as someone who is actually on board with it. They could have done this at any point over the years but now there's blood in the water, they've all gone in together. They're attempting to close the right out because they now feel they can get away with it. And frankly, more power to them.