Rayvin

Based on what I knew about Corbyn and the extent of antisemitism at the time, I felt there was sufficient doubt. The first thing I've seen that is unequivocable is that damn book. The rest of this, I was happy to go with benefit of the doubt. As were many people on here. In fact I recall Gloom himself frequently stating that Corbyn wasn't an antisemite.

Yeah, I can see that argument now. Believe it or not my friend, prior to getting immersed in ToonTastic's review of antisemitism in the Labour party, I wouldn't look at something like this and see Jews. And I didn't. I saw something that confirmed my own biases. Illuminati style, world running rich people keeping everyone else down. Not apologising for that either, I really have never spent any time, prior to talking on here, thinking about or discussing the possibility of a Jewish conspiracy running the world..!

I'd hit this point over Brexit alone, but anyone who believes that there is a 'Jewish conspiracy' keeping everyone down instead of structural problems perpetuated by an unfair system, is clearly not going to be capable of addressing the main problems. Honestly I can't believe that this is the standard of politician we seem to have. I mean I never really thought politicians were intelligent, but I'd credited them with at least some level of rational thought. The one thing Brexit has delivered in a positive sense is to hopelessly expose the crazies on all sides now. There are precious few competent politicians left.

I seem to recall being more fired up about why the media had chosen to obsess about the mural at a time several years after it was first reported, almost as if they had an agenda. I also recall looking at it and not seeing 'Jewish people' myself. I don't really remember the English irony comments. I imagine there's some supporting context though.

I mean, it wasn't really a deflection more than a reminder. I'm intensely keen we don't wade back into the middle of this again, and am quite concerned that lessons of why we're here aren't being learned I've heard statements like the NATO one before from fairly radical lefties in my social group. I agree that it's a fantasy, but then the Russians would probably say that about what we think. Would be interesting to know which particular attributes of Western society Corbyn considers to not be 'free'.

Ok.

Let's not get into this again. Maybe we could just agree that Tory austerity and Labour's lack of resistance to it is what brought us here. I would consider that to be a failure of the centre, but it's not like the terminology matters really. You do at some point need to consider why people voted so strongly against the centre though.

I mean, I daresay that the homelessness crisis could have been solved with that. Maybe even half that.

We have him for the same reason we have Brexit. The failure of the centre.

What evidence have i refused to believe in the past?

I fucking hate Chris Grayling. This is such a waste of money it's untrue.

For me, I think this is enough to confirm that Corbyn probably does believe the Jewish conspiracy bollocks. And marks him as an antisemite. I haven't read the book or anything, but if it is as described here, then its an extremely poor look. I don't even think ignorance would wash as a defence really unless he wrote the foreword without reading any of it. Which is possible but fucking stupid. So he's either immensely incompetent, or antisemitic, or both. Either way he needs to go. He's ruined everything by being completely useless.

There's no way Netflix are going to pass up putting Pugwash in the documentary immortalised on film.

Beautiful

Is there much of an Arya backlash? I feel like the Guardian is inventing it but who knows. I'm actually struggling to think of an acceptable way of killing the Night King aside from what they chose. Slightly anticlimactic maybe but at least it was pragmatic and feasible. As an aside, if they'd left the army at home and just had Arya hide in a tree near Bran, many lives could've been saved.

Doesn't that deviate from the plan to lure him to Bran and deal with him there though?

I'm exaggerating, but there was a period in the middle where they were nowhere to be seen, was there not?

Damn straight. It needed to be a Chelsea vs Barcelona level of defence.

Possibly, but then the dragons were inexplicably several hundred miles away when the battle was going on. Actually, on that, why didn't Jon's dragon set the trench on fire. I'm not totally sure on it, but wasn't he sat on the castle wall with it at that point? I remember wondering why it had to be hers specifically.

I made my first points about strategy on the previous page, but yeah It's just stupid though. Even if the view was that the Dothraki would wait, why were they front line? They need to be at speed to be effective. Based on that, they did the right thing considering the poor positioning they had.

As much as you're drawing fire for this, I agree. It ruined the immersion for me when the cavalry charge into nothingness went on because no sane commander would ever countenance such a moronic play. Done for drama I suppose. The more sensible approach maybe would have been less cinematic, and LOTR already hit peak cavalry charge. Twice. On a separate note, the Guardian seems to think that there is a debate to be had about whether or not Arya is a Mary Sue: https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2019/apr/30/arya-game-of-thrones-ultimate-mary-sue To be clear, she is not. She's well developed, spends 8 seasons training how to kill making her a believable assassin, and wins the day by being crafty rather than invincible. She's not a Mary Sue.

Yeah they're fucking delusional. Well, damn, first time in my life not voting Labour ahead. Guess I'll try and get a sense of who realistically stands a chance...

If that's true, surely that's a bigger story than the main squabble over the throne Kind of agree with whoever said that the actual ending would have been humanity versus the undead, rather than humanity versus Cersei.

Impressive timing

The battle was well filmed and apart being dark and foggy was visually impressive. Strategically fucking stupid though. Why can't writers write intelligent battles? What in fucks name was the point in sending the dothraki off to die in the pitch black? And then having a fight in front of the fire trench... Why? Why not stand behind the fire trench and then, as gloom says, have the dragons torch everything back and forth. Army can pick off stragglers who make it over as they come through. Night King's death was surprisingly acceptable.