Rayvin

He's right though. People voted for an absolute clusterfuck when they voted Brexit, and when they voted for May. It is what it is, and while politicians are responsible for lying to people, voters are responsible for being dumb enough to be lied to.

Even if Labour weren't divided, it's hard to imagine them doing anything of substance. Corbyn genuinely does seem to think that his current approach of simply standing back and leaving the collapse of the Tories to chance, is going to work. And tbf to him it might, but he really doesn't fucking deserve for it to do so.

Signed it mostly just to have an artificial feeling that I've achieved something.

Agreed.

Indeed. Those Labour MPs man, just what the fuck. What the fuck.

He has managed it rarely, but my point is more that usually PMQs is just total farce and entirely irrelevant. This time it really does matter, he really does have a chance to turn the screw at a time when Labour have a 5 point lead in the polls. This time it has to count.

Aye, this has to be it for Corbyn now. He has to land some fucking blows on her this time. Made slightly more difficult by Woodcock and the antisemitism stuff though.

Sinn Fein seem to be coming under fire in Ireland for not attending Parliament and voting against the amendments. I guess that would have done it as well, on at least some of the issues. Annoying.

Absolutely. Forget about fucking Brexit for a second, they had a gold plated opportunity to kick the Tories out of power and chose to prop them up. No coming back from that.

@Christmas Tree Do you agree that Brexit has torn apart any semblance of political stability and competence that this country could have once at least pretended to have? Even you must think this is an utter shambles now, on all sides. We're an international laughing stock.

So Labour has resumed tearing itself apart over anti-semitism then. Margaret Hodge can fuck off, I'm not even going to pay attention to this bullshit anymore. What the fuck happened to this country.

I mean, those Labour MPs just voted to avoid a GE that Labour could feasibly have won.

What's the point anymore, seriously. Incompetence is going to win.

FFS man, can we just agree that no one fucking cares whether the Tories implemented it or Labour did - if the situation is fucking shit it needs to be sorted out! The only party that are currently capable of doing anything about it are the motherfucking Tories. And they've had 8 fucking years CT, to reverse anything they didn't like. Having said that, the stats you're providing look ok to me. I mean it's still pre-Brexit so who knows what'll happen there, but I'm not really in a position to argue with those figures.

Does the public really need convincing anymore though?

So you think it's more delaying of the inevitable. It really is shambolic though, and it is ludicrous that Corbyn hasn't called for the government to push back for a GE. There should be votes of no confidence all over the place.

I mean it does back them out of Brexit while being able to blame the very people most responsible for hard Brexit...

There's no chance that this is the government's plan, is there...?

I see. I've never been out on the streets campaigning for anything in my life, but if we get back to a second referendum with a straight 'in/out' vote, I'll be out in the fucking streets campaigning for Remain. If JRM manages to deliver that option back to us, we have to take it.

Does that mean we might go straight back to a direct in/out vote?

Appreciated, but ffs.

I have found that I'm in a blinding rage about this today, and I'm not actually 100% sure it's merited. Is Brexit going to fall apart or have we basically just secured 'No Deal'.

The Code of Good Practice for Referendums, put together by the Venice Commission, specifically states that in the case of unlawful funding, the referendum result must be annulled. I believe that all EU members are also members of the Venice Commission. See section 3.3: "National rules on both public and private funding of political parties and election campaigns must be applicable to referendum campaigns (point II.3.4.a). As in the case of elections, funding must be transparent, particularly when it comes to campaign accounts. In the event of a failure to abide by the statutory requirements, for instance if the cap on spending is exceeded by a significant margin, the vote must be annulled." http://www.venice.coe.int/webforms/documents/default.aspx?pdffile=cdl-ad(2007)008-e

What's this shit about the Leave Campaign having conducted illegal activity in the run up to the damned day as well? Brexit is a full on suicide bomber of an event now. Determined to inflict maximum damage even as it starts to explode.