Rayvin

True, we weren't involved, thank fuck. Shame about the rest of the Western world.

I see Russia has claimed a new world war could be upon us if the Saudis send troops in. I have no idea why Putin is so confident that he'd win this war, especially with Israel on his doorstep. That said, Russia is one of these stupid countries where they 'can't back down' as nationalism has taken such a strong hold. Much like China. Not sure what the UN is going to be able to do about this really, for all its cries of warcrimes. Russia will just brand it a US mouthpiece. I can't remember who kicked this off now, was it us? Supporting rebels against Assad or something like that? Or did the Russians just respond to the rebels and then we got dragged in?

You've framed this as a left wing issue so at the risk of poking the hornet nest, is Russian carpet bombing of civilians worse than our carpet bombing of civilians? In other words, are they collateral or are they actually being targeted? Remember that we have a track record of blowing up hospitals and red cross outposts which many people on here have argued is unfortunate but, as they're collateral, isn't morally equivalent to murder or terrorism. I disagree with this when you know that these places are going to be hit as part of an action you're taking, but apparently others don't. Have the Russians made clear that they're attacking random civilians on principle or something? Also the coalitions you mention are there to stop our atrocities, not Russia's. I think we can safely assume that they condemn the Russian bombings. That said, Russia seriously pisses me off with all of this nonsense. I can see why they feel the need to present a strong front to the Americans but I thought they'd established a little while ago that their approach of blowing everything up wasn't working. Both sides need to step down from this war, it's become fucking ridiculous. Aren't we all supposedly there for ISIS? Are they even still in Syria? How has this whole fiasco not been resolved yet? Why we or any other country entertain these fucked up wars is beyond me. I agree with gloom that media focus should be put on it though. Pictures of wounded and dead. Same as I think they should do this when we're responsible.

Yes, we can see that. You're more an anti-fan of Sunderland than you are a fan of Newcastle!

Worth a read: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/sep/25/boris-johnson-nhs-extra-funds-after-brexit-andrew-marr-lansley We all know Boris didn't believe in Brexit but this basically confirms it. Utter fuckwit this guy.

Very disappointed to hear that we've forced him of Twitter. What is that going to do for his confidence exactly? Fucking muppets, some people.

How many posts would you have if you'd not made so many accounts

Nicely phrased but I'm not sure it's necessarily true for Labour.

Fucking hell, I bet RTG is amazing atm.

Nice post. The only real collateral damage with this outlook are those who are needy and who are actually voting correctly. That said, you can't win them all.

Oh. That does make more sense.

I dunno, the Tories did pretty well with plugging austerity, and that's now provably economic horseshit. I don't think it needs to be solid, it just needs to be in the favour of the super wealthy. Admittedly, Corbyn is going to fall down there.

That's the statement then. Labour won't get more than 83 seats according to Renton. At least that's a line in the sand that we can come back to and pore over in 4 years time Incidentally, where are those votes going to go? Presumably CT is now right about UKIP? There must be stats for this somewhere? Would be interesting to see if anyone has them.

For the record, I acknowledge that you paid 10 times as much per year as a member than the latest cohort are. I give £10 a month personally and I'm not sure where the falls on your scale, but either way, if there's a lot of people in and around my level, they should be ok.

You and I clearly have different views on what PLP career politicians are prepared to do, but you may be right. As I said, we'll see. And as for the rest, I think Momentum might have it covered...

Because of course, all of the electorate are going to vote against him. And all the additional money which they're raising through having such large numbers won't help at all in campaigning, will it? It's happened, let's just see where it goes. For what it's worth, true to my word, I didn't vote in the end. I abstained. But I can't deny I'm pleased with the result.

I don't think enough of you are leaving that the party won't end up with a net higher number... It's sad of course that you did leave, though with the shambles of the last year I can see why (although I spread blame more evenly than you on this), but the thing that's bothering me is whether or not you are leaving because you just don't agree with his policies, or if it's because you don't think he can win? If the latter, that's a stupid reason to leave. Sorry but it is. That's just tribalism. If it's the policies then fair enough. The Shadow Cabinet will be interesting - it could be great if some of the PLP heavyweights get their heads out of their collective arses. We'll have to see on that front. I think the Party will do fine if it can be stabilised early enough. It all depends on the PLP really.

I'm not sure how statistically relevant it is, but his increased margin doesn't include the 130,000, presumably predominantly Corbyn aligned, voters who couldn't participate. Had they participated, fuck knows how large the margin would have been.

I know what you're saying but that statement seems bizarre given what we've just seen.

http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2016/07/jake-berry-the-conservative-party-must-double-its-membership-its-time-for-maymentum.html Behold, the Tories being worried: Where Corbyn is effective, and which should concern us as Conservatives, is that in 48 hours this week he inspired more people to join the Labour Party than there are members of the Conservative Party nationally. This has grossed the Labour Party almost £5 million, making an activist-rich, left-wing, Momentum-dominated Labour Party a real threat to the Conservatives.

He'll only fail if the most vulnerable are too stupid to vote for him and end up running off to UKIP as CT envisages. If they do that, they deserve the Tories in power. The more important thing is that we actually have a political debate about what this country should look like within reach now, instead of two parties trying to out-compete each other for the centre-ground with flimsy policy differences. The Tories will see this as an open goal for the GE but they have to be - have to be - terrified of the possibility that he'll win. That alone could inspire them to enact better policies.

Try as I might, I can't bring myself to feel bad about this. The PLP needed their arses handing to them and they got it. Now let Corbyn succeed or fail on his own terms. At least the electorate are actually going to have to make a choice at the next GE.

That was so inevitable. The whole thing was so pointless.