Renton

Well, well, once again CT is condescending to the good people of the North East, and is apparently completely unaware of his hypocrisy by not mentioning who large swathes of the South East and practically all rural England always vote for. Fucking hell. Fry's analysis may be spot on, but I wouldn't despair just yet. One good thing that came out of this election I think is that it showed that the majority of people in this country are caring and compassionate, and believe in some form of progressive socialism. By majority, I actually mean over 50% (take note Cameron). This is why the tories are bricking it over PR. I honestly think this may be the kick up the arse that Labour need either in the immediate or near future and we will get PR within this decade. If nothing, this situation will force people to think about the issue, which can only help. Let's hope so anyway.

Thought I'd been banned for a minute. Aye, happy to chip in.

Cameron has buckets more integrity than Blair. A con lib pact should work without either side having to give up principles. Most commentators realise the next genera election will not be too far away so it is very reasonable for each party to say they'll put the really disagreeable stuff to one side and mainly concentrate on the here and now of beginning to tackle some of our serious problems, mainly debt. Things like Trident and immigration are not a priority in the next 12 months. Also I might add that the immediate disagreeable stuff that can't be put aside is Cameron's 'emergency budget' on immediate cuts. I can't see how the Lib Dems can credibly agree to that. you really are stupid. How the fuck do you seriously expect Uk plc to get out of the hideous debt we are in without cuts. Are you really so fucking stupid? Did you think the fairies where going to come along. Honestly, it really does amaze me the stupidity of some of the stuff you say. Please tell me how labour would get us out of this without savage cuts? Would they just do it in nasty conservative areas? Wake up? FFS, read what I said - IMMEDIATE cuts while we are barely in positve economic growth. Of course cuts will have to come, along with tax rises, but only after the economy is growing. The ONLY way to cut the deficit is through economic growth. You tit. See this is a very clear example of what you do. Waiting for economic growth is not the only way and neither is what labour or lib are suggesting. They are suggesting savage cuts too but want to wait a year because , they say, it may jeopardise the recovery. Others may believe they just didn't have the balls to say it going into an election. However rather than discuss a policy and get to the bottom of it, you just assume you are right, there is only one way and chuck in an insult. I think in the last 24 hours I've had sociapath, twat, tit. And you wonder what the problem is. Actually CT the sociopath comment wasn't aimed at you. And the twat and the tit comments came after you started the juvenile abuse. Witness this very nest of quotes for instance. You called me 'really stupid' because you missed my point entirely. You've also said I'm like a 'hyped up militant student', called me a smug bastard, and generally been as condescending as you can, with nowt to back it up. And now you're suggesting I am the one who chucks insults? Others can see this CT, you can't, what does that tell you? Have a little read through today's posts and see who through the first insult edit as I'm a Tory and hate waste I'll save you the time 1.57pm twat 1.58pm tool Now what does that say about you......... Let's put this in context shall we. 1.57 - 'do you never feel like a complete twat' - not actually calling you a twat, merely asking the question if you felt like one. 1.58 - ''Whereas you have been a tool since day one. ' Clearly a joke and in direct response to you calling Parky a tool. Nothing like your later comments, which were clearly not meant to be funny, and were obviously personal. Not that I give a shit, I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy is quite nauseating, is all.

Cameron has buckets more integrity than Blair. A con lib pact should work without either side having to give up principles. Most commentators realise the next genera election will not be too far away so it is very reasonable for each party to say they'll put the really disagreeable stuff to one side and mainly concentrate on the here and now of beginning to tackle some of our serious problems, mainly debt. Things like Trident and immigration are not a priority in the next 12 months. Also I might add that the immediate disagreeable stuff that can't be put aside is Cameron's 'emergency budget' on immediate cuts. I can't see how the Lib Dems can credibly agree to that. you really are stupid. How the fuck do you seriously expect Uk plc to get out of the hideous debt we are in without cuts. Are you really so fucking stupid? Did you think the fairies where going to come along. Honestly, it really does amaze me the stupidity of some of the stuff you say. Please tell me how labour would get us out of this without savage cuts? Would they just do it in nasty conservative areas? Wake up? FFS, read what I said - IMMEDIATE cuts while we are barely in positve economic growth. Of course cuts will have to come, along with tax rises, but only after the economy is growing. The ONLY way to cut the deficit is through economic growth. You tit. See this is a very clear example of what you do. Waiting for economic growth is not the only way and neither is what labour or lib are suggesting. They are suggesting savage cuts too but want to wait a year because , they say, it may jeopardise the recovery. Others may believe they just didn't have the balls to say it going into an election. However rather than discuss a policy and get to the bottom of it, you just assume you are right, there is only one way and chuck in an insult. I think in the last 24 hours I've had sociapath, twat, tit. And you wonder what the problem is. Actually CT the sociopath comment wasn't aimed at you. And the twat and the tit comments came after you started the juvenile abuse. Witness this very nest of quotes for instance. You called me 'really stupid' because you missed my point entirely. You've also said I'm like a 'hyped up militant student', called me a smug bastard, and generally been as condescending as you can, with nowt to back it up. And now you're suggesting I am the one who chucks insults? Others can see this CT, you can't, what does that tell you?

Cameron has buckets more integrity than Blair. A con lib pact should work without either side having to give up principles. Most commentators realise the next genera election will not be too far away so it is very reasonable for each party to say they'll put the really disagreeable stuff to one side and mainly concentrate on the here and now of beginning to tackle some of our serious problems, mainly debt. Things like Trident and immigration are not a priority in the next 12 months. Also I might add that the immediate disagreeable stuff that can't be put aside is Cameron's 'emergency budget' on immediate cuts. I can't see how the Lib Dems can credibly agree to that. you really are stupid. How the fuck do you seriously expect Uk plc to get out of the hideous debt we are in without cuts. Are you really so fucking stupid? Did you think the fairies where going to come along. Honestly, it really does amaze me the stupidity of some of the stuff you say. Please tell me how labour would get us out of this without savage cuts? Would they just do it in nasty conservative areas? Wake up? FFS, read what I said - IMMEDIATE cuts while we are barely in positve economic growth. Of course cuts will have to come, along with tax rises, but only after the economy is growing. The ONLY way to cut the deficit is through economic growth. You tit. Leave it -he's not worth the effort I'm always a sucker for a WUM.

So how do you know that then CT? I'd like your reponse to my accustation that you are no less ignorant than me, and would like to know why you have been acting the twat, if that's OK. It's just a fact you'll have to get used too. You post too much without little thought for facts or knowledge of the subject. You do it all the time. I think even today you agreed with prob child that libs and labour should try and stop the Tories stupid budget? Do you know the details of it? Has Dave been on the phone? You are one of these sheep who can only ever see one side of an argument. You don't quite understand politics. You try and take the moral high ground constantly and never see the hypocrisy in your views. Everything Tory is evil... Cameron must be Evil too It's understandable from a hyped up militant student but shouldn't you have grown up by now. Why not arrange some proper dinner parties with your wires legal (and probably Tory) high flyers and just listen to the grown ups for a bit. Well, the immediate tory cuts following an emergency budget have been published in their manifesto and this is an approach the Lib Dems, in common with Labour, have objected to. The reason being there is concern this could tip us right back into recession, and it's a risk not worth taking. All this information is published so I don't know why you think I'd have to talk to Cameron personally to make comment on it? Pathetic of you to say that really. As for the rest, I don't know which is worse - your own staggering hypocrisy, your patronising tone, or your sheer lack of self awareness regarding these. I'll ignore the personal jibes though and just let you get on with what you do best - making a twat of yourself. You really do remind me of cockney wanker from Viz actually, I'm sure you'd be much more at home driving a cab for 'loadsamoney' in London and posting on a Spurs board. Ok for once just back up one of your statements. Post me a link where I can see the details of a forthcoming Tory budget. Then like you I will also be able to judge whether it is stupid or not. Next, rather than once again being a smug smarmy bastard, explain to me how any other party is going to get rid of the debt without big cuts. Read the post above. The argument is about timing and the balance between public sector cuts and tax increases. All parties agree that massive cuts are necessary, and all have been vague about how this can be achieved, although only the Conservatives have been as pathetic to suggest it can be done through reducing 'wastage', which is just dishonest. Still, some people lap this rubbish up, and even claim Cameron has 'integrity'. As for providing you with links, why? This stuff has been discussed in the media endlessly for days, it was one of the main points of the TV debates. Its in the manifestos. How has it passed you by? Oh, and I'm smug am I? How you fucking have the brass neck to say that after your pathetic wind up posts yesterday celebrating 'victory' I don't know. You have about as much self awareness as Fop.

Cameron has buckets more integrity than Blair. A con lib pact should work without either side having to give up principles. Most commentators realise the next genera election will not be too far away so it is very reasonable for each party to say they'll put the really disagreeable stuff to one side and mainly concentrate on the here and now of beginning to tackle some of our serious problems, mainly debt. Things like Trident and immigration are not a priority in the next 12 months. Also I might add that the immediate disagreeable stuff that can't be put aside is Cameron's 'emergency budget' on immediate cuts. I can't see how the Lib Dems can credibly agree to that. you really are stupid. How the fuck do you seriously expect Uk plc to get out of the hideous debt we are in without cuts. Are you really so fucking stupid? Did you think the fairies where going to come along. Honestly, it really does amaze me the stupidity of some of the stuff you say. Please tell me how labour would get us out of this without savage cuts? Would they just do it in nasty conservative areas? Wake up? FFS, read what I said - IMMEDIATE cuts while we are barely in positve economic growth. Of course cuts will have to come, along with tax rises, but only after the economy is growing. The ONLY way to cut the deficit is through economic growth. You tit.

So how do you know that then CT? I'd like your reponse to my accustation that you are no less ignorant than me, and would like to know why you have been acting the twat, if that's OK. It's just a fact you'll have to get used too. You post too much without little thought for facts or knowledge of the subject. You do it all the time. I think even today you agreed with prob child that libs and labour should try and stop the Tories stupid budget? Do you know the details of it? Has Dave been on the phone? You are one of these sheep who can only ever see one side of an argument. You don't quite understand politics. You try and take the moral high ground constantly and never see the hypocrisy in your views. Everything Tory is evil... Cameron must be Evil too It's understandable from a hyped up militant student but shouldn't you have grown up by now. Why not arrange some proper dinner parties with your wires legal (and probably Tory) high flyers and just listen to the grown ups for a bit. Well, the immediate tory cuts following an emergency budget have been published in their manifesto and this is an approach the Lib Dems, in common with Labour, have objected to. The reason being there is concern this could tip us right back into recession, and it's a risk not worth taking. All this information is published so I don't know why you think I'd have to talk to Cameron personally to make comment on it? Pathetic of you to say that really. As for the rest, I don't know which is worse - your own staggering hypocrisy, your patronising tone, or your sheer lack of self awareness regarding these. I'll ignore the personal jibes though and just let you get on with what you do best - making a twat of yourself. You really do remind me of cockney wanker from Viz actually, I'm sure you'd be much more at home driving a cab for 'loadsamoney' in London and posting on a Spurs board.

Cameron has buckets more integrity than Blair. A con lib pact should work without either side having to give up principles. Most commentators realise the next genera election will not be too far away so it is very reasonable for each party to say they'll put the really disagreeable stuff to one side and mainly concentrate on the here and now of beginning to tackle some of our serious problems, mainly debt. Things like Trident and immigration are not a priority in the next 12 months. Also I might add that the immediate disagreeable stuff that can't be put aside is Cameron's 'emergency budget' on immediate cuts. I can't see how the Lib Dems can credibly agree to that.

So how do you know that then CT? I'd like your reponse to my accustation that you are no less ignorant than me, and would like to know why you have been acting the twat, if that's OK.

I agree, I'm not a career politician after all. I think your posts also demonstrate ignorance, like the ones you have posted today. Do you agree?

Jesus you've turned into a complete tool over the last few months. What went wrong? Whereas you have been a tool since day one. In all seriousness you have been though, you know what the overiding opinion of this board and region is towards the Conservatives, and you know that people are legitimately afraid of their livelihoods under them (for good reason after what Cameron has stated). Yet you have been on an almost constant wind up, if that doesn't make you a twat I don't know what does.

Jesus you've turned into a complete tool over the last few months. What went wrong? Whereas you have been a tool since day one.

The jobs have long gone, the roads are fucked and the Taxi trade like most trades has suffered! That is why Labour has just been kicked out. But they haven’t been kicked out have they? The electorate has voted, and what they’ve said is we're not that keen on The Labour Party but don’t have much confidence in the Conservatives either. Why is that CT, why have the Tory's failed to convince enough people that they’re a better option than the Labour Party? all the scots keeping the Tories out and filling our parliament with mps who want fuck all to do with us. Scottish Labour MPs want nothing to do with the UK? Or the Scottish public? Why don't they join or vote for the SNP then? I'd remind you there's not a single tory in the North East either and very few in most Northern conurbations. The people you live amongst are the same people you have been patronising and slurring for the past few weeks, do you never feel like a complete twat?

If true... “there are conflicting reports about the conversation, with one senior Lib Dem source saying Mr Brown had ranted at Mr Clegg and another telling the BBC it had been a perfectly amicable conversation” BBC Sounds like the LibDems are split on what to do. I think the best option would be for Brown to stand down and let the Conservatives try being a minority government. The opposition could then vote down their stupid emergency budget and some kind of common sense would have to be applied instead of the current self serving crap. Agreed.

You mean the national insurance rise for those earning over £20k? Not exactly the hardest hit group. But yeah, getting more money from the rich would be a good idea. May I propose raising income tax to 50% for those earning over £150k? Now, if only someone in politics would try and implement that idea. Aye, but at the same time we don't want to hurt the super rich too much so perhaps we should raise inheritance tax to a million quid? That's seems nice and fair.

Libe Dems are between a rock and a hard place, forget about being being kingmakers, they are on the verge of extinction. I don't envy Clegg at all, I can't see a way out of this for him.

Probably only another 6 months to go like.

It is a stretch which is why I'd like some empirical data on it rather than anecdotes. The data will be available somewhere - I was surveyed by Mori last week and they were very detailed in their questioning. My experience though is that most would much prefer Labour (admittedly with a different leader). Also, from my experience, Labour and Liberal are much more likely to collaborate on local issues etc. The Conservatives are in a different ballpark idealogically speaking after all. Incidentally, why is it that several of the tories on here are, erm, shall we say borderline sociopaths?

To be accurate it’s 36% of the half the electorate, which is about 18% of the country. It's hardly the ringing endorsement Cameron is making it out to be. After 15 years of any government and an election in the midst of a global financial meltdown the opposition would normally stroll to a majority. This result really is a bit of an embarrassment for the Conservatives. From what I can see, the share of the vote is this: Con 39.1% Lab 30.3% LD 22.5% Others 8% Going by your figures of half (wasn't the turnout much higher than that?) Then we can deduce that around 20% of the country backed Cameron, 15% backed Brown and 11% backed Clegg. Ringing endorsment or not, it's clear the country as a whole preferred the idea of Cameron to Brown. Don't know where you have got those figures but the Beeb says CON 36.1%, LAB 29.0%, and LIB 23.0%. So not much more than 1 in 3 people who voted went for the Conservatives. I'd say that of the one third of people who did not vote for Conservatives or Labour, most of them would prefer to continue with Brown than have Cameron - especially those who voted Lib Dems (please feel free to disagree -I'd be interested).So I don't see how Cameron thinks he has any sort of mandate, he's basically taking the piss. Trouble is, Brown clearly has no mandate either. We need a re-election but who has the stomach for that, and what if the same thing happens again? That's a stretch of imense proportions. I'd rather have Griffin than the saggy faced bongeyed cunt then you're a bigger cunt than he is It was an illustrative (but exagerated) point, dickhead Who did you vote for? Tynemouth tory-boy Right, not liberal then. Commiserations btw. Point is, most Liberal voters are left-slanting, not right. In fact probably left of Labour nowadays. So put yourself in their shoes, who would they prefer in power if they had to choose between Brown and Cameron? Meenzer can probably give a definite answer to that.

To be accurate it’s 36% of the half the electorate, which is about 18% of the country. It's hardly the ringing endorsement Cameron is making it out to be. After 15 years of any government and an election in the midst of a global financial meltdown the opposition would normally stroll to a majority. This result really is a bit of an embarrassment for the Conservatives. From what I can see, the share of the vote is this: Con 39.1% Lab 30.3% LD 22.5% Others 8% Going by your figures of half (wasn't the turnout much higher than that?) Then we can deduce that around 20% of the country backed Cameron, 15% backed Brown and 11% backed Clegg. Ringing endorsment or not, it's clear the country as a whole preferred the idea of Cameron to Brown. Don't know where you have got those figures but the Beeb says CON 36.1%, LAB 29.0%, and LIB 23.0%. So not much more than 1 in 3 people who voted went for the Conservatives. I'd say that of the one third of people who did not vote for Conservatives or Labour, most of them would prefer to continue with Brown than have Cameron - especially those who voted Lib Dems (please feel free to disagree -I'd be interested).So I don't see how Cameron thinks he has any sort of mandate, he's basically taking the piss. Trouble is, Brown clearly has no mandate either. We need a re-election but who has the stomach for that, and what if the same thing happens again? That's a stretch of imense proportions. I'd rather have Griffin than the saggy faced bongeyed cunt then you're a bigger cunt than he is It was an illustrative (but exagerated) point, dickhead Who did you vote for?

Can't... help.... it...... Cunters!

Is Ken going to make the tea? One thing is clear to just about everyone CT is that no one has come out of this well, not least the British public, the UK plc, and the North East of England (who have unanimously given the tories a kicking once again and will be made to suffer for it if you have your way). So I find you're misinformed gloating even more nauseating than normal - seriously man, what do you get out of it?

To be accurate it’s 36% of the half the electorate, which is about 18% of the country. It's hardly the ringing endorsement Cameron is making it out to be. After 15 years of any government and an election in the midst of a global financial meltdown the opposition would normally stroll to a majority. This result really is a bit of an embarrassment for the Conservatives. From what I can see, the share of the vote is this: Con 39.1% Lab 30.3% LD 22.5% Others 8% Going by your figures of half (wasn't the turnout much higher than that?) Then we can deduce that around 20% of the country backed Cameron, 15% backed Brown and 11% backed Clegg. Ringing endorsment or not, it's clear the country as a whole preferred the idea of Cameron to Brown. Don't know where you have got those figures but the Beeb says CON 36.1%, LAB 29.0%, and LIB 23.0%. So not much more than 1 in 3 people who voted went for the Conservatives. I'd say that of the one third of people who did not vote for Conservatives or Labour, most of them would prefer to continue with Brown than have Cameron - especially those who voted Lib Dems (please feel free to disagree -I'd be interested). So I don't see how Cameron thinks he has any sort of mandate, he's basically taking the piss. Trouble is, Brown clearly has no mandate either. We need a re-election but who has the stomach for that, and what if the same thing happens again?

Thanks for the tip.