Renton

And don't be trying to steal my Pac man title again or we'll be having words.

No, you make an assessment on how likely they are to drink again, because this is directly related to the chances of their organ donation being put to good use (i.e. the recipient leading a long and healthy life). Clearly whatever assessment tools they used in Best's case didn't work. Its not about morality, its about finding the most suitable person for a transplant who will get the most of it. 43269[/snapback] Well, nowts going to be 100%. I'd say, if a bloke's stayed off the drink for a year, waited that long for a donor and then is lucky enough to match a donor, good luck to them. 43273[/snapback] I agree completely,as long as there were not more deserving recipients, which according to Maggiespaws there weren't, so fine.

No, you make an assessment on how likely they are to drink again, because this is directly related to the chances of their organ donation being put to good use (i.e. the recipient leading a long and healthy life). Clearly whatever assessment tools they used in Best's case didn't work. Its not about morality, its about finding the most suitable person for a transplant who will get the most of it.

I'm clueless about any of this, but I'm pretty sure that's not the case. The most depressing thing about being depressed is the hoplesness, not knowing the cause and the feeling of uselessness in being able to do nothing about it. It's not a case of doing something to cheer yourself up. Happy to be corrected like. WRT the Mirror article above, I only bothered with the first paragraph which was altogether shite. As I understand it George Best got the same ultimatum (stop drinking or die) and he stopped. After a year of sobriety he had a liver transplant. Why should the doctors have refused at that point. Now that he's drinking again I don't think the NHS would give him a transplant. Again, please correct me if I'm wrong. 43226[/snapback] The point I'm trying to make is that most depression is caused by a triggering factor - the breakdown of a relationship, bereavment, unemployment, living with a chronic illness etc. Hence it's reactive. It is actually a person's situation which phyically changes the biochemical function of their brain, once this has happened you are unable to "cheer yourself up". As for Best having quit drinking for a year, so what? His liver was so knackered at that stage he would have very quickly died (and he did relapse even then iirc). Obviously the prognostic tests they did to establich whether he would start drinking again were wrong.

clinical depression is a mental illness,no trigger is needed, 43143[/snapback] That's true, could be a chemical imbalance in the brain. Can be genetic. I read a story about a bloke who was very rich and very successful but suffered from clinical depression. Every so often he'd feel it creeping up and check himself into a clinic for a month or so. I suppose he was lucky that he had the money to deal with it, but it just went to show that his condition was medical rather than circumstantial. 43155[/snapback] Most depression is reactive though. Shit things happen in your life, and they eventually alter the biochemistry of your brain so that eventually you simply can't feel happy and look at life objectively - this is when you may need antidepressants. I've never been that low but I've come close - it is a truly horrible feeling.

Interesting to see the bit about Antabuse there. If you take this drug, it is almost impossible to drink - it will make you so sick. So really, you only need the will power to take a pill, or you can choose to not take the pills, which is basically premediditated. I wouldn't have to much sympathy for him really, he is planning this.

I believe he'd been sober for a year when they agreed to give him a transplant, not a hopeless alcoholic. He thought he had a new liver that'd last another 60 years which is tempting to an alcoholic and you can understand the relapse, if not forgive it. 43001[/snapback] He knew the conditions, he chose to ignore his pledge. Fair enough he has new liver, but he was not fit to continue drinking. Alcohol damages other organs too, and the immunosupressants take their toll to. He had a great second chance, and he has decided not to take it. Not many get as many chances as him tbh. And what about the damage he has done to others? WHat about his continued drink driving? I like to think I am a sympathetic person, but take away his ability on the field and I don't think he'd be getting much sympathy.

In hindsight he probably shouldn't have been given the transplant. I think you can only give someone so many chances - he knows he's killing himself so its up to him really. Having said that though, I'm not really sure how it works. Does him having a transplant actually stop the liver going to someone else more deserving? If so, then that's unacceptable. If not, then fair enough. It is sad though yes, and I agree with you that it is probably the hardest addiction to overcome. 42983[/snapback] Wouldn't you agree alcoholism is a disease though? It sort of takes the 'choice' element away from him a bit. Also, he waited longer than the avergage person according to his Doctor on Radio 5 last night. I partly agree though, some people seem to try harder than others when it comes to giving up the drink. It must be so bloody hard though. 42986[/snapback] I agree its a disease. But then all sorts of diseases are taken into account when deciding who is best suited for a transplant. He is obviously a hopeless alcoholic, therefore his prognosis wasn't very good. I also agree it must be hard - but that hard? He knows its life or death now. If he wants to kill himself then fine, but not at the cost of someone more deserving?

In hindsight he probably shouldn't have been given the transplant. I think you can only give someone so many chances - he knows he's killing himself so its up to him really. Having said that though, I'm not really sure how it works. Does him having a transplant actually stop the liver going to someone else more deserving? If so, then that's unacceptable. If not, then fair enough. It is sad though yes, and I agree with you that it is probably the hardest addiction to overcome.

OMG WTF JWTBH

That an invite? 42962[/snapback] For what?

Just go back to calling AF a twat then eh. 42955[/snapback] Cheer up, thats not a very 'happy face'! Chill out man, I was just trying to get a rise out of King Nerd Gemmill tbh. 42958[/snapback] Actually, King Gemmill the Nerd has a certain ring to it. Cue 'Obsessed tbh'

Silly person. There are no peas in it. It's named after Albert Pea, its creator. 42906[/snapback] Sounds rank whatever is or isnt in it tbh. 42909[/snapback] How anyone can eat that disgusting filth I don't know.

What does this mean, is someone going to stick a camera up your arse? 42373[/snapback] Tutorials are chaired by a Tutor Proctorials are chaired by a Proctor they "David-Dimbleby" the session, bascially getting we budding Philosophy students back on track and away from discussing that new scarf we saw in Topman or airkissing for the entire hour 42850[/snapback] What a load of bollocks tbh. Give people some grandiose title so they can feel more important. 42890[/snapback] Aye. Doesnt explain what a proctor is either. 42894[/snapback] It means an examination invigilator normally. Don't see what that's got to do with David Dimbleby myself tbh. I can just see GF and all his right on mates spouting a load of bollocks in their once weekly philosophy proctorial....

What does this mean, is someone going to stick a camera up your arse? 42373[/snapback] Tutorials are chaired by a Tutor Proctorials are chaired by a Proctor they "David-Dimbleby" the session, bascially getting we budding Philosophy students back on track and away from discussing that new scarf we saw in Topman or airkissing for the entire hour 42850[/snapback] What a load of bollocks tbh. Give people some grandiose title so they can feel more important.

Alex, you're right. But 'good on him' is what I say. LM is passionate about his loathing of Souness and I think he is just showing his passion on these pages. Whether he is right or wrong we don't know, but he believes - with a passion - that Souness is taking this club downwards and he is demonstrating this on here. Without LM's posts on Souness, this forum would be a far sadder place imo. Keep on keepin' on LM - right or wrong. 42862[/snapback] I agree, I like Leazes. Unlike the other two stooges (where is UM and HTL btw?) you can have a bit of banter with him. He is obsessed though. I wonder if he's seen this new smiley yet 42877[/snapback] Hey, am I not a stooge? Thing is, I don't think the argument can be taken any further now without waiting to see what happens over time. Souness is not going anywhere, I have reluctantly accepted that. I have always thought he was a terrible appointment and said so from the very start and I'm confident (although not happy) eventually I'll be proven right. But I know I can't change anyone elses opinion on it. Thing is, is it just me, or is nufc just plain boring at the moment? I can't even muster any vague excitement before the match now - to me this is Souness's greatest crime - we have become almost unwatchable. I'm worried that I won't even be 'up' for the mackem match and that my malaise is terminal tbh.

Quite a flawed conversion really. Notice how the bases don't regrow? And what is it with all those extra lives? It was very hard to get past wave 3 in the arcade original iirc.

Waster!

It will take you hours to usurp Peasepud. I'd like to see Joust if possible.

Tit sizist.

now just because i gave you flowers doesnt mean you'll learn all my bra secrets 42517[/snapback] How about some of them then? 42751[/snapback] lacey, pretty and underwired....thats all i'll say on the subject 42755[/snapback] Careful. He's after being s/mothered. With Kate gone, you are definitely a likely candidate.

Can't see the attraction myself. And isn't she a bit old for you? Do you like being mothered or something?

Peasepud - 50,860 on Space invaders? I've just got over 20,000 and my wrist now knows what it would feel like to be attached to Jimbo's arm.....

What a fantastic idea Craig. I have a complaint about Pac man though - it's not a direct emulation, the ghosts behaviour isn't quite right. I spent weeks in the 80s learning specific routines on how to beat the game, which for some utterly bizarre reason I can still remember. I was looking forward to impressing you all with my 200,000 plus scores and reaching the mythical 'ninth key' level, but it doesn't work. Also there are no cut animation scenes. Did you know on the later levels the ghosts don't turn blue when you eat an energiser, in fact eventually they don't even run away? They don't make games that hard nowadays....

We should have no problem climbing the league then, and finish at least in the top 4? Except of course you have missed out the fact that Souness is incapable of getting the best out of even good players. He is a shit coach and is clueless when it comes to tactics - haven't you noticed? I'll be interested to hear your excuses for Souness's continued failings in six months time. And I'll try not to say I told you so.