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He should be allowed to 'freestyle' on Channel 5 I reckon. Then I wouldnt watch him even more than I dont now.

Canny, aye, don't talk about the fat ones. 102792[/snapback] I've had worse tbh. 102798[/snapback] Unlike them to be fair.

Through a sheet tbo 102794[/snapback] Its what the lasses do to GF these days. Allegedly.

Too right an all. My taxes are paying for their hearing aids and theyre sat there fucking lip-reading their way through the match and then wasting police time.

You didn't... 102789[/snapback] No, I meant fully clothed. Canny lass though. 102791[/snapback] You made her keep her clothes on?! Harsh tbh

You didn't... 102789[/snapback] see above......i reckon he did.

'Hippos yawn' tbh.

To be fair.....when Leazes name goes into itallics and you know he's responding with a fucking massive critique, I can well imagine him with Jack Nicholson's expression at the time.

It was definitely a 'he' rather than a 'she' and he was definitely mince. My deaf friend lip read Zippy mouthing anti-homosexual abuse at him in several episodes.

How dare you insinuate that J69 has a small willy tbh. 102775[/snapback] It's 'above average' and youre 'obsessed' tbh

Apparently these deafs weren't even at the game. Watched it on TV so shouldnt even be entitled to an opinion. The police should have slung them out on their ears tbh

Gemmill Leazes Alex ? 102717[/snapback] You got Gemmill's hair bob on anyways!

I don't like making predictions where NUFC are concerned, I always think we can win any one game though, it's only the Souness era that made me despondent. On the other hand one of my best 2 mates is a mackem, and he says we will beat Chelsea and then lose to the smoggies or something... 102715[/snapback] I seldom make any predictions where the toon are concerned, I leave that to Gemmill-he knows everything as he is clairvoyant. It's a gift but also his curse.

I think I need to take another look..... 102711[/snapback] Not too close, mind. Titnotised tbh.

If you're counting all clubs in England then 1. there are more than three trophies but 2. more importantly, (and I hope I'm not guilty of being arrogant here) I see us as bigger than the likes of Torquay United and think that our prospects of winning something should also be greater than theirs. On turnover I think I'm right in saying theres only Chelsea, Manu, U Arse and Liverpool ahead of us*. All of them win trophies. We dont. End of. Couldnt give a rats arse about the stadium and facilities. Stadium=Hillsborough and the Taylor report, academy's= the norm throughout modern football. Dont give me any of this Shepherd bollocks. I agree on one thing- you're totally right about the fact that there are murky characters out there who are more dodgy than Freddy and no I wouldnt want them in preference, however if thats the best thing you can say about him it's a telling and lamentable indictment. Nothing about the way Shepherd conducts any of the business associated with Newcastle United suggests he has a fucking clue. *edit: and thats fluctuated over recent years and we've been amongst those places 102705[/snapback] Its not the best thing I can say about him, its saying that there isn't much of a demand among business people to take over and buy football clubs. However yes there are more murky characters now you mention it, a lot more. The whole point of this is I am putting forward comparisons showing that whatever you think of Shepherd ie your last paragraph, he has more ideas than most. We have came nearer to winning a domestic trophy under the Shepherds and Halls than we have for 50 years, so they must have some idea. I think the club has a great setup and just needs the right manager and he has shown the ambition in his appointments and his backing, but you don't. So, what exactly do you think he isn't doing that he should be doing ? 102706[/snapback] My answer to your question (in bold) is answered by your point (in italics). That of course is his single most important function. As for everything else (business plan/stadium/set-up) I dont doubt these put us on a prima facie parr with other top clubs but I dont honestly see it as an outstanding contribution when weighed against the steps other top clubs have taken. It's all much of a muchness. I also refuse to accept that this makes up for the things I consider to be counter productive about him. But obviously we're not going to agree. If Glenn Roeder manages to win the FA Cup this season* I'll gladly buy you a pint. Ironically though (and you'll accuse me of having my cake and eating it here) you'd be seriously hard pushed to attribute this to a Shepherd masterstroke. Though even I'd give him a modicum of acknowledgement/praise. * sound of nail sinking into coffin lid. 102709[/snapback] you're on I reckon if we do it will be well deserved by everybody to be honest for a long overdue and well earned success, I will be extremely pleased that Roeder would go down in history as having done it rather than undeservedly Souness, and I also hope that people remember the 2 people who started it and saved the club when they were most needed, Keegan and SJH. Now that will be the kiss of death ..... 102712[/snapback] To be honest, when the Chelsea ball came out of the 'hat' although there was much derision and fatalism on here my instinct was actually to be up for it. On the one hand, as you say, we could honestly say we deserved it if we managed something like putting Chelsea out and on the other if we were going to fail I'd actually rather do it at this stage than the sickener of losing in the final having had virtual byes in every other round. Theres more of a dignity to it this way and if the lads can look at it that way while Glenn's new broom is still having its effect then who knows? Plus the pressure is off us as we're away.* *Sound of coffin being lowered into ground.

If you're counting all clubs in England then 1. there are more than three trophies but 2. more importantly, (and I hope I'm not guilty of being arrogant here) I see us as bigger than the likes of Torquay United and think that our prospects of winning something should also be greater than theirs. On turnover I think I'm right in saying theres only Chelsea, Manu, U Arse and Liverpool ahead of us*. All of them win trophies. We dont. End of. Couldnt give a rats arse about the stadium and facilities. Stadium=Hillsborough and the Taylor report, academy's= the norm throughout modern football. Dont give me any of this Shepherd bollocks. I agree on one thing- you're totally right about the fact that there are murky characters out there who are more dodgy than Freddy and no I wouldnt want them in preference, however if thats the best thing you can say about him it's a telling and lamentable indictment. Nothing about the way Shepherd conducts any of the business associated with Newcastle United suggests he has a fucking clue. *edit: and thats fluctuated over recent years and we've been amongst those places 102705[/snapback] Its not the best thing I can say about him, its saying that there isn't much of a demand among business people to take over and buy football clubs. However yes there are more murky characters now you mention it, a lot more. The whole point of this is I am putting forward comparisons showing that whatever you think of Shepherd ie your last paragraph, he has more ideas than most. We have came nearer to winning a domestic trophy under the Shepherds and Halls than we have for 50 years, so they must have some idea. I think the club has a great setup and just needs the right manager and he has shown the ambition in his appointments and his backing, but you don't. So, what exactly do you think he isn't doing that he should be doing ? 102706[/snapback] My answer to your question (in bold) is answered by your point (in italics). That of course is his single most important function. As for everything else (business plan/stadium/set-up) I dont doubt these put us on a prima facie parr with other top clubs but I dont honestly see it as an outstanding contribution when weighed against the steps other top clubs have taken. It's all much of a muchness. I also refuse to accept that this makes up for the things I consider to be counter productive about him. But obviously we're not going to agree. If Glenn Roeder manages to win the FA Cup this season* I'll gladly buy you a pint. Ironically though (and you'll accuse me of having my cake and eating it here) you'd be seriously hard pushed to attribute this to a Shepherd masterstroke. Though even I'd give him a modicum of acknowledgement/praise. * sound of nail sinking into coffin lid.

If you're counting all clubs in England then 1. there are more than three trophies but 2. more importantly, (and I hope I'm not guilty of being arrogant here) I see us as bigger than the likes of Torquay United and think that our prospects of winning something should also be greater than theirs. On turnover I think I'm right in saying theres only Chelsea, Manu, U Arse and Liverpool ahead of us*. All of them win trophies. We dont. End of. Couldnt give a rats arse about the stadium and facilities. Stadium=Hillsborough and the Taylor report, academy's= the norm throughout modern football. Dont give me any of this Shepherd bollocks. I agree on one thing- you're totally right about the fact that there are murky characters out there who are more dodgy than Freddy and no I wouldnt want them in preference, however if thats the best thing you can say about him it's a telling and lamentable indictment. Nothing about the way Shepherd conducts any of the business associated with Newcastle United suggests he has a fucking clue. *edit: and thats fluctuated over recent years and we've been amongst those places

well if we're on the subject, I dont think that comment wqas a problem it was the other dozen or so that got me, The fans are stupid, they pay £45 for a shite shirt that cost us a fiver to get. Its a great life me and Douggy go whoring round the world and the club pays for it... etc etc etc Those comments alone probably lost us a fortune in lost sponsorship and reworked PR to get us out of the hole he dug. By the standards you quote as well does that mean Douggie is a good board member by association? 102690[/snapback] To be honest PP, that comment didn't bother me personally one iota. It's all well and good to apply business rules to football, but they are different. Its not a high street store, where business will crash and people will go to the other jeweller around the corner. Fred and Doug were banished for a while but they came back , no one could stop them, and the "customers" didn't want to go anywhere else. Its the name of the game mate. The finance of the club has been unaffected by it, in the long run, hasn't it ? Do you think that fans aren't going to buy shirts of a successful top flight club they support simply because the chairman is caught in a brothel saying the shirts aren't worth 45 quid ? Don't you already know that ???? He was right mate .... just buy the shirts or don't, you call him a fat twat and he thinks your daft for buying the shirts because he gets his for nowt ? So what ? You can't beat them, buy some more shares? You have been around a lot to know there are a lot worse people could get their hands on those shares. How would you like to owned by the French gasboard ? Or a US basketball owner ? Or a Japanese railway tycoon ? This is the reality. None of these would in all likeliehood have any interest in the club whatsoever mate, none. 102698[/snapback] It shows that he's a complete dick though and causes the club no end of media bother and sets the wrong example to the players who come here. Does any of that occur to you? Freddy-the fans are dicks for paying 45 quid for shirts worth a fiver=Dyer-the fans are dicks for paying me 40 grand a week. Simple as. 102699[/snapback] I think you shouldn't be so sensitive. I see that Michael Owen and Jonathon Woodgate, 2 England players, were deterred from coming to the club were they ? Another paranoid comment the same as the ones who say we can't attract top managers when we have. We didn't attract top players and top managers before Shepherd and the Halls. Now, under them, we can and we do. FACTAMUNDO. 102701[/snapback] Yes....we really attracted Michael Owen didnt we.....jesus wept tbh.

Those boobs look fake tbh.

well if we're on the subject, I dont think that comment wqas a problem it was the other dozen or so that got me, The fans are stupid, they pay £45 for a shite shirt that cost us a fiver to get. Its a great life me and Douggy go whoring round the world and the club pays for it... etc etc etc Those comments alone probably lost us a fortune in lost sponsorship and reworked PR to get us out of the hole he dug. By the standards you quote as well does that mean Douggie is a good board member by association? 102690[/snapback] To be honest PP, that comment didn't bother me personally one iota. It's all well and good to apply business rules to football, but they are different. Its not a high street store, where business will crash and people will go to the other jeweller around the corner. Fred and Doug were banished for a while but they came back , no one could stop them, and the "customers" didn't want to go anywhere else. Its the name of the game mate. The finance of the club has been unaffected by it, in the long run, hasn't it ? Do you think that fans aren't going to buy shirts of a successful top flight club they support simply because the chairman is caught in a brothel saying the shirts aren't worth 45 quid ? Don't you already know that ???? He was right mate .... just buy the shirts or don't, you call him a fat twat and he thinks your daft for buying the shirts because he gets his for nowt ? So what ? You can't beat them, buy some more shares? You have been around a lot to know there are a lot worse people could get their hands on those shares. How would you like to owned by the French gasboard ? Or a US basketball owner ? Or a Japanese railway tycoon ? This is the reality. None of these would in all likeliehood have any interest in the club whatsoever mate, none. 102698[/snapback] It shows that he's a complete dick though and causes the club no end of media bother and sets the wrong example to the players who come here. Does any of that occur to you? Freddy-the fans are dicks for paying 45 quid for shirts worth a fiver=Dyer-the fans are dicks for paying me 40 grand a week. Simple as.

The best chairman anticipate events etc etc etc etc etc etc ad infinitum tbh. 102685[/snapback] The same Liverpool directors who sacked Souness mid season, Evans mid season, and even appointed Evans and Houillier as a double act ???????? David Dein appointing Wenger mid season ? As I said, just because they did it once doesn't mean they do it all the time, meaning it isn't down to being "best", they just decided to do it on that occasion. Why don't you read the thread instead of just making up anti Shepherd comments as you go No one said he is the "best" anyway, just one of the "best" and the clubs performance proves it. You may not like that, because he draws his dividend and calls women dogs [what that has to do with the football beats me though] but its a fact. Of course we should have sacked Souness in the summer, or earlier, are you saying there was a "good time" to sack Souness, because in this case , or ANY case, the best time to sack a manager IMO is when you realise he isn't up to it, whenever that time is. If you by your comments are saying that you should keep a manager who you want rid of just because it isn't the close season, which you are, then that is totally stupid. 102688[/snapback] I was being facetious tbh. And by the way, I made no comment about sacking people mid season or close season. If you ask me whether David Dein deserves praise for appointing Wenger (whenever that appointment might have been made) as you have done however, then I would answer very strongly in the affirmative. 102689[/snapback] "Anticipating events" means anticipating good runs of results, and bad, you can't have it both ways. He anticipated our continuing with Souness was going to end in relegation [which some people on here didn't]. Happy with that ? You insinuated you agreed that changing managers was the ONLY sensible time to do it, so I pointed out that the directors who have just done it have also changed their managers mid season. If you didn't mean that, be more specific. That was a long post, you chose to answer it in a few words. 102693[/snapback] His powers of anticipation/foresight are of course ultimately measured against trophies and therefore he is found wanting. His appointment of Souness in particular was and always will be viewed as a dreadful reaction to the Robson situation-getting rid when there was nee decent bugger available. Incidentally,anticipation doesnt just refer to results-practically anyone can see when a situation looks irredeemable-it's about weighing things up by taking a long term view of where the club is going, and constantly judging that against what other manegerial candidates are out there to see whether the prospects and direction can be improved (simple example-Liverpool getting rid of Houllier who'd won 5 trophies to bring in Benitez). To my mind Freddy doesnt have any of these qualities at all. His PR 'gaffes' are insult to injury and as for his spending-it's OUR money, generated in spite of him tbh.

The best chairman anticipate events etc etc etc etc etc etc ad infinitum tbh. 102685[/snapback] The same Liverpool directors who sacked Souness mid season, Evans mid season, and even appointed Evans and Houillier as a double act ???????? David Dein appointing Wenger mid season ? As I said, just because they did it once doesn't mean they do it all the time, meaning it isn't down to being "best", they just decided to do it on that occasion. Why don't you read the thread instead of just making up anti Shepherd comments as you go No one said he is the "best" anyway, just one of the "best" and the clubs performance proves it. You may not like that, because he draws his dividend and calls women dogs [what that has to do with the football beats me though] but its a fact. Of course we should have sacked Souness in the summer, or earlier, are you saying there was a "good time" to sack Souness, because in this case , or ANY case, the best time to sack a manager IMO is when you realise he isn't up to it, whenever that time is. If you by your comments are saying that you should keep a manager who you want rid of just because it isn't the close season, which you are, then that is totally stupid. 102688[/snapback] I was being facetious tbh. And by the way, I made no comment about sacking people mid season or close season. If you ask me whether David Dein deserves praise for appointing Wenger (whenever that appointment might have been made) as you have done however, then I would answer very strongly in the affirmative.

looking too closely tbh 102683[/snapback] 'Bigger than average' tbh

The best chairman anticipate events etc etc etc etc etc etc ad infinitum tbh.

Pubic hair tbh.