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Robsons got germs tbh. FACT!

plenty of posts going around, I can't be arsed to dig them out but not surprisingly you must have missed them as you seem to miss most other things or not read them properly. You. As you are saying losing 2 Finals and playing in the Champions League is failure. I would say it is, as he is thinking a more local man would have the interests of the club more to heart, pretty logical and basic thinking . Then he could have got Alex Ferguson which is just another example of your short sighted vision 103763[/snapback] In all seriousness, if thats what we're dealing with (and I'm not saying it is, but if we're going accept your version and invest FF with your views of him), then we SERIOUSLY need a new chairman 103767[/snapback] Why not, if it makes you realise a mistake ? Thats the point. After all he did get it right with Robson, really the thing is it turned out that Gullit was a twat, and who was to know this beforehand when he had done a good job with Chelsea ? A lot of supporters were behind Gullit at the time too, and those who pretend now that they weren't are liars...but Gullit did admit that he had made his own mistakes and nothing to do with Fred who he went on record as saying he himself was to blame for the clubs bad results and no one else. Despite supporters oddly still blaming Shepherd for bad results, ie Alex 103774[/snapback] The reason why that logic is dreadful and fundementally flawed is that to employ that criterion is to minimise your pool of candidates beyond common sense or reason. Instead of looking at all managers in world football you end up restricting yourself to Geordies or a poor mans Geordie (Scots). Incidentally, you realise that paves the way for Steve Bruce dont you, now that Martin O' Neill is taking the mackems job!

Mourinho is a different class. Full stop.

Yorke is as big a wanker as Souness.

plenty of posts going around, I can't be arsed to dig them out but not surprisingly you must have missed them as you seem to miss most other things or not read them properly. You. As you are saying losing 2 Finals and playing in the Champions League is failure. I would say it is, as he is thinking a more local man would have the interests of the club more to heart, pretty logical and basic thinking . Then he could have got Alex Ferguson which is just another example of your short sighted vision 103763[/snapback] In all seriousness, if thats what we're dealing with (and I'm not saying it is, but if we're going accept your version and invest FF with your views of him), then we SERIOUSLY need a new chairman

Joking aside, a Smart isn't a bad car if look for a small city car. It's right that the company is struggling as it made heavy losses in recent years (their head quarters are close to where I live, a friend got sacked as they had to cut jobs). So they stopped the production of the roadster as it wasn't selling very well. No wonder because the car looks shite and isn't very handy (and if you want a small roadster you are in fact better of with a Mazda). If I was going to buy a Smart it would only be the "normal" one. 103100[/snapback] Probs disagree with you there like, ive got an 1.6 MX5 which is great, but im now being forced to sell it as ive just bought a house and im doing silly miles to work (not 35k a year mind). My sister has a Smart Roadster which ive driven and i think that it is different to the 5, but its got amazing roadholding and is more like driving a go kart than anything else. Its much lower to the ground than the 5. Downside to the Smart is that it has lots of problems with leaking seals and the auto gearbox is too slow. 103748[/snapback] The problem with Smart Cars is surely that they look like Dyson's tbh. And the Roadsters plight wasnt helped when potteries karaoke legend Robbie Williams bought one.

Are you serious? Deco is awsome and Viana isn't bad himself. 103344[/snapback] 103739[/snapback] Why is that so funny he was never really given a chance here, but quality on the continent. 103756[/snapback] Viana hasn't particularly shined on the continent though has he? 103758[/snapback] You cant buff a turd tbh

Bloody hell! Will save on hotel bills an all if it lasts that long!

I will happily take that quote on baord when you tell me the gates of the other clubs during that period in time, football went through a meltdown, deaths on the terraces, hooligans and generally a fairly shite reputation which stopped people from going, not just here but everywhere else I think. Im more than happy to be proved wrong on this one but I'll happily wager that most of the clubs during that time were witnessing far lower gates than they get now. 103732[/snapback] I remember even when we were in the old divison 2 we had gates amongst the top 6 in the country. Tells you something about the fans does that. 103740[/snapback] Only during the promotion season and the season before, the Keegan effect. 103752[/snapback] Splitting hairs though tbh. Traditionally, huge support relative to achievement (trophies) and good support relative to other teams generally.

Looking back at the managers appointed post-Keegan, there is a very real argument for appointing some (deserving candidate) who is yet to prove himself in terms of trophies, who is hungry to succeed and who understands that this will require mental strength but also a willingness to be flexible and learn as things progress. In retrospect, what seems worryingly symptomatic of the Dalglish, Gullit and Souness eras is an overwhelming stubborness, which when the chips were down manifested itself in an arrogant habit of resting on the laurels of previous achievements as opposed to looking inwardly to learn where things were going wrong. Ironically, the person who bucked this trend was a white haired man in his 70’s who had managed at a higher level than any of them.

Well in view of the fact that we waited 22 years to reach a Cup Final, and neither Leeds, Birmingham, Villa, Everton, mackems, West Ham, Portsmouth, Sheffield Wednesday, Wolves and other big city clubs haven't reached one either since we reached one in 1998, nor qualified or competed in the Champions League or even the UEFA Cup, then comparatively speaking it makes us more successful on and off the field than them. And only Arsenal, Liverpool, Man U and Chelsea more successful. All the people who are slagging off the board STILL fail to answer this question, nor answer another one, if the club are so bad and are appointing "shit" managers, what do YOU think they should do that they are not to ensure more success in future ? I'm not holding my breath for a reply as it hasn't been supplied so far, and I don't mean you chocchip only you and PP and possibly Renton have gave anything resembling a half decent constructive reply so far 103702[/snapback] He made it fairly clear he was looking for yes/no answers like. 103705[/snapback] Thats my answer, it is there if you read it, and its a fucking damn sight better than the absolute crap you spouted about Souness for months 103707[/snapback] All I can see is you skirting round the issue tp avoid having to give the only logical answer, which is a resounding NO to three of the appointments and a partial yes to one of them, in terms of the progress we made under Robson. So that's three unsuccessful appointments out of 4....oh dear. 103708[/snapback] I've said they were comparitively successful. As there are only 2 trophies, why do you consider there are 18 premiership failures a season ? Now what criteria do you think the board should apply when choosing a manager, apart from foresight, in view of the outstanding CV Dalglish had in particular ? 103719[/snapback] Unlike you I think it is perfectly acceptable to look at the performance of a manager and THEN judge whether or not it was a successful appointment. I get the impression that you think that unless it looked like a mistake on the day of the appointment, no one has any right to complain if it turns out to be a fucking shambles a year or two down the line. I agree and have posted elsewhere - Dalglish's CV looked perfect for the job, and you can probably cut Shepherd some slack with that one, but at the end of the day, it was an unsuccessful appointment, given where we were when he was appointed, and where we were when he left. The buck stops with Shepherd. 103720[/snapback] But what can he do other than appoint people with a top CV like Dalglish? 103723[/snapback] 1.Do more than just look at their CV's, including doing better research into candidates. If he is incapable of this then (aside from stepping down) he should have a better network of people who can do this and have a better grasp of world football. and aside from this: 2.Avoid crises 3.Manage crises when they happen 4.Not undermine managers by buying players himself 5.Avoid public scandal and bringing the club into disrepute and creating crises of his own 6.Set a better example generally as he is the top figure at NUFC. Off the top of my head.

Well in view of the fact that we waited 22 years to reach a Cup Final, and neither Leeds, Birmingham, Villa, Everton, mackems, West Ham, Portsmouth, Sheffield Wednesday, Wolves and other big city clubs haven't reached one either since we reached one in 1998, nor qualified or competed in the Champions League or even the UEFA Cup, then comparatively speaking it makes us more successful on and off the field than them. And only Arsenal, Liverpool, Man U and Chelsea more successful. All the people who are slagging off the board STILL fail to answer this question, nor answer another one, if the club are so bad and are appointing "shit" managers, what do YOU think they should do that they are not to ensure more success in future ? I'm not holding my breath for a reply as it hasn't been supplied so far, and I don't mean you chocchip only you and PP and possibly Renton have gave anything resembling a half decent constructive reply so far 103702[/snapback] He made it fairly clear he was looking for yes/no answers like. 103705[/snapback] Thats my answer, it is there if you read it, and its a fucking damn sight better than the absolute crap you spouted about Souness for months 103707[/snapback] All I can see is you skirting round the issue tp avoid having to give the only logical answer, which is a resounding NO to three of the appointments and a partial yes to one of them, in terms of the progress we made under Robson. So that's three unsuccessful appointments out of 4....oh dear. 103708[/snapback] I've said they were comparitively successful. As there are only 2 trophies, why do you consider there are 18 premiership failures a season ? Now what criteria do you think the board should apply when choosing a manager, apart from foresight, in view of the outstanding CV Dalglish had in particular ? 103719[/snapback] As long as you finish in the top six then there are 4 from a possible 5 trophies you will be entered for at the start of the season. Our support/turnover has been a match for Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal for the whole of the Shepherd era. Only Man U are consistently out of sight. During this time Chelsea have won the prem/domestic cups, Liverpool have won the CL and all domestic cups apart from the prem, Man U have won everything in the game and Arse have won everything bar the CL. We have won nothing. The likes of Leicester Tottenham and Middlesbrough have won trophies in this time too, incidentally.

As someone who backed Souness you obviously know what you are talking about....if it is so easy, please explain how directors at other clubs, including ours many years in the past, have allowed well run clubs and top football teams to slide .... You really think we have always had 50,000 gates and played in europe don't you despite being unable to read my posts or check up the figures if you don't believe them ... 103694[/snapback] In fairness, although Gemmill takes a lot of stick about being 'pro-Souness', his stance was only ever a 'lets-avoid-a-knee-jerk-reaction-to-an-absolutely-abysmal-appointment'. Shepherd really did back Souness (in the truest sense), because he made the absolutely abysmal appointment in the first place. 103701[/snapback] That is true. I have said earlier, that the appointment of Souness was a knee jerk stupid act as a reaction to the fact that the club needed a few players brought into line and kicked up the arse. However the other 3 appointments that were made, were made with the criteria of them being trophy winners and good team builders at other clubs, with the financial backing given to create the same thing here. So how does that make them anything other than sound professsional appointments ? For those who do not agree with such criteria, please explain what other criteria you would use that the club did not employ ? 103706[/snapback] Benefit of hindsight of course but I'd say: Dalglish-probably hard to criticise Freddy on this one. I think Dalglish is a genuine professional with extremely exacting standards. History will judge him as a flop but I dont think I;d blame FF for this one Gullit-had won some stuff at Chelsea so this erred in his favour but even the most cursory glance into his management style/relationships etc etc should have had alarm bells ringing. Arrogance of Souness proportions. Robson-agree with Gemmill on this one. Lucky co-incidence time wise and also the fact that he'd always wanted to manage NUFC and would have done so over any other club all conspired to make Freddy's decision for him. Gets no credit for this. Souness-complete unmitigated disaster of near biblical proportions that we're all still grasping for an explanation for 2 years on. No explanation forthcoming apart from Chairmans ineptitude.

As someone who backed Souness you obviously know what you are talking about....if it is so easy, please explain how directors at other clubs, including ours many years in the past, have allowed well run clubs and top football teams to slide .... You really think we have always had 50,000 gates and played in europe don't you despite being unable to read my posts or check up the figures if you don't believe them ... 103694[/snapback] In fairness, although Gemmill takes a lot of stick about being 'pro-Souness', his stance was only ever a 'lets-avoid-a-knee-jerk-reaction-to-an-absolutely-abysmal-appointment'. Shepherd really did back Souness (in the truest sense), because he made the absolutely abysmal appointment in the first place.

I agree. I really enjoy train travel providing it's not a Friday afternoon and the train is so packed that you find yourself squashed up against the stinking toilet door in one of the connecting passageway things. I think the buses in Gateshead must have the worst passengers in the world ever. I was on a bus into town the other week and there was a kid in a pushchair (mebbes about 3 years old - too old to be in a baby chair anyway) and she was saying "Fucking hell, fucking hell" over and over again and giggling madly while her charva mother sat there with her corned-beef legs and coke-can fringe and cackled laughing while saying to her mate "Eeeeee have you heard her?! " 103672[/snapback] The worst language I've ever heard in my life was from a five year old lad on a bus from Chester-le-Street to Newcastle. Attendant cackling 20 year old charva mum proud as punch, laughing with her mates.

You jest, but he'd be better than some chairmen......Doug Ellis etc.

Here he comes!

A good point well made. Shepherd might be crook but at least he isnt a pirate.

Fuck me gently, another illiterate cretin. This wind-up tactic is working a treat.

........rocks!!!!!

I hope to God they post a sub 100. 102947[/snapback] 86-9. Neeeeeeearly there! 102958[/snapback] Fucking COME ON!!!!!!!!!!

ahhh jaysus would yer luck at dat! What would the muther tink?

ARTIST: Warren Zevon TITLE: Werewolves of London Lyrics and Chords I saw a werewolf with a Chinese menu in his hand Walking through the streets of Soho in the rain He was looking for a place called Lee Ho Fook's Going to get a big dish of beef chow mein {Refrain} Ah-ooooo, werewolves of London Ah-ooooo Ah-ooooo, werewolves of London Ah-ooooo If you hear him howling around your kitchen door You better not let him in Little old lady got mutilated late last night Werewolves of London again {Refrain} He's the hairy-handed gent who ran amok in Kent Lately he's been overheard in Mayfair You better stay away from him He'll rip your lungs out, jim Ha, I'd like to meet his tailor {Refrain} Well, I saw Lon Chaney walking with the Queen Doing the werewolves of London I saw Lon Chaney Jr. walking with the Queen Doing the werewolves of London I saw a werewolf drinking a piña colada at Trader Vic's His hair was perfect Ah-ooooo, werewolves of London Ah-ooooo, werewolves of London

Was that seriously on Metro? I'd call that one sick tbh. OPINION!