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It would be worth the train journey alone to see Many pissed, so it is. 19032[/snapback] Mandy?

This speculation is fucking dreadful.

You missed the bit about him watching Ketsbaia as a young child, sat in the Gallowgate end alongside Bobby Milburn.

We'll get what we deserve then. As will you!

"Agree to disagree" "No, we'll agree that I'm right!"

Jesus Wept!

Aye, it's swung back and forth like a knife edge. I actually blame the exciteable yet negative Johnny-Come-Lately soopa fans, such as Gemmill.

"....yer sick bastards! I know who you are! I know who you are!.... Who are yer?" copyright Brian Chelsea Potter

Yeah, it probably appeals to Johnny Come Lately's like yourself who don't fully appreciate the game. Being a purist, I prefer the beeb 18039[/snapback] It's lunch. Shouldn't you be sat on the grass at the Civic penning a verse about the morning session's play? 18055[/snapback] I think you're confusing me with Wacky Jnr. 18057[/snapback] Easy done to be fair. 18059[/snapback] I have the same problem with you and Colin Montgomery. 18081[/snapback] Monty would've had to have lost about 10 stone, like! 18094[/snapback] Oh dear. Death by pool cue on Sunday for you two. 18097[/snapback] Sorry, I meant 'gained', obviously!

Yeah, it probably appeals to Johnny Come Lately's like yourself who don't fully appreciate the game. Being a purist, I prefer the beeb 18039[/snapback] It's lunch. Shouldn't you be sat on the grass at the Civic penning a verse about the morning session's play? 18055[/snapback] I think you're confusing me with Wacky Jnr. 18057[/snapback] Easy done to be fair. 18059[/snapback] I have the same problem with you and Colin Montgomery. 18081[/snapback] Monty would've had to have lost about 10 stone, like!

129-1 Piece of piss this!

I think you and I basically agree. Ok, I've put my point in a provocative way, but I felt pissed off at the moaning. The only part where we disagree is about the risks. You say the fans have taken the risk by buying the ticket. I disagree. As galling as it seems, that is the start point. The players turn up and get paid, the fans turn up and don't get paid. They also get to have beer and ciggies mind. The start point is fans and players in the stadium, opposing side and fans and nil nil. Your point about not wanting to take a risk is absolutely on the money. The fans don't want to risk their hopes by giving it loads on the old chants. The players don't want to risk looking like proper charlies. So the players pass it back and forth. The fans shuffle a bit. Something nearly happens. A half hearted chant breaks out and then dies... I know like I know my own cock, that a massive investment of belief by the fans, in the team would turn this club around more than any player or manager could. 18049[/snapback] We came pretty close under Keegan. What do you imagine caused the wheels to come off there? A poorly choreographed chant? Bad acoustics? Or something more basic, like tactics? I dont think anyone disagrees that the crowd can lift the team, but frankly the way you've put it so far more or less absolves the players of any responsibility whatsoever. Moreover, we should be seeing an awful lot more from players in the face of adversity than we are currently. Whats acceptable of players at this club simply would not be tolerated at other clubs (meaning those clubs that actually win trophies). What you're doing in effect is making excuses and this in itself is symptomatic of why we allow the players to get away with the sort of performances that we are witnessing. They're grown men for fucks sake. They should be able to stand up for themselves and be counted.

105-1. We could be on the rocks here. This series has swung like a pendulum.

Yeah, it probably appeals to Johnny Come Lately's like yourself who don't fully appreciate the game. Being a purist, I prefer the beeb 18039[/snapback] I can just imagine him in work now in his wicket keepers gloves 'getting into it!'

101 without loss. Piece of piss this!

It's chicken and egg though. If the players feel like the crowd is hostile the players will wilt like an erection in an old peoples home. Even when the team are winning, I don't think the crowd are confident and loud enough. We can go round all day. I think a lot of the problem is the crowd's expectation for something to go wrong. You think it stems from the players. I can't really see us getting any further with it all. 17979[/snapback] Do you imagine fans at places like the Bernebau or the Nou Camp dont create a hostile atmosphere when things arent going well? Too fucking right they do - they let their players know when their performances are unaccpetable. Presumably we should be blaming the Madrid fans for their 30-odd European Cup trophies?! If the players feel pressurised amidst 50 odd thousand fans when up against West ham then I'd love to see them perform in front of 100,000 fans in a Barca team that'd lost a few games on the bounce! Total bollocks of course. If they can't look within themselves to find what is needed to succeed then they're not the type of players that should be here in the first place. 18001[/snapback] Real Madrid are an good example. How much have they spent lately? How much have they won lately? Team spirit extends from the crowd to the team. GET BEHIND THE LADS AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS!!! SING YOUR HEARTS OUT FOR 90 MINUTES AND SEE IF IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. Believe it or not, being paid a shitload of money has nothing to do with it. It just alienates us and them. They're still human though and need to feel that the crowd are behind them. 18007[/snapback] I actually agree with that to a large extent. It's an extrinsic factor. Much like the crowd is. Bottom line is the disire to win and the balls to perform comes from within.

Gyppos. 17980[/snapback] Loose change to the likes of you I s'pose!

It's chicken and egg though. If the players feel like the crowd is hostile the players will wilt like an erection in an old peoples home. Even when the team are winning, I don't think the crowd are confident and loud enough. We can go round all day. I think a lot of the problem is the crowd's expectation for something to go wrong. You think it stems from the players. I can't really see us getting any further with it all. 17979[/snapback] Do you imagine fans at places like the Bernebau or the Nou Camp dont create a hostile atmosphere when things arent going well? Too fucking right they do - they let their players know when their performances are unaccpetable. Presumably we should be blaming the Madrid fans for their 30-odd European Cup trophies?! If the players feel pressurised amidst 50 odd thousand fans when up against West ham then I'd love to see them perform in front of 100,000 fans in a Barca team that'd lost a few games on the bounce! Total bollocks of course. If they can't look within themselves to find what is needed to succeed then they're not the type of players that should be here in the first place.

I have to agree, everything was absolutely rosey in the garden when those two were here. Whats the hell happened?

Possibly the only thing that could express (and ironically, aleviate) my gloom right now would be a poem by Wacky Jnr.

Whats wrong with it like? Works fine for me! Seriously!

Didn't realise pork knuckles played football, thats the first I've heard of it other than Fash although there are rumoured to be quite a few gays in the PL which wouldn't suprise me the way half of them mince about the pitch. 17223[/snapback] I know pork knuckles stands for huckles, i.e. gays, but what's huckles derived from, out of interest? 17229[/snapback] A vested interest?

I've told you before, I've got too much pride to pay for it! .........oh go on then...how much for a bed bath?

Cath's gonna neuter you with a rusty spoon for that y'know. 17188[/snapback] Cath's lovely, but she'd be the first to admit she's let herself go a bit. 17198[/snapback] Not even a wink on the end of that. 17206[/snapback] Howay yer daft bint! you knar I'm just taking the piss!

Cath's gonna neuter you with a rusty spoon for that y'know. 17188[/snapback] Cath's lovely, but she'd be the first to admit she's let herself go a bit.