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Aye, and re: what Ant said, pretty much anyone could come up with a 'list' fair enough, but it'll be more to do with getting out there and exercising a judgment as to whether they're going to be right for the Prem or not given the differences in i. styles of play and ii levels of play (quality). That's likely to require a more considered review of their performances.

Jesus wept Deadman. Jesus fucking wept.

Smith 'gone' requires someone else to come in and decide it would be a good idea to pay Smith £60k per week. Why the fuck would anyone do that? We'd all like him gone, but he's here til he's had his last contractual penny out of us. Gets a bit daft hearing this. Or we find a club that will pay half, still pretty unlikely but we can hope Aye, but as you say £30k per week they'd want sectioning. He's probably worth about £1500 pw on light duties in League 1

Have to admit I am a bit wary about him adapting to the Premiership. I struggle to think of many Italian defenders who have performed well. He should adapt because he'll get more time to adapt here than most players do. We've got few alternatives and he actually cost a fee so he wont be getting dropped anytime soon whatever his form. Enrique took long enough for instance. Anyway, against the obvious headfuck politics of modern day NUFC, this is a lad I'm looking forward to seeing in our defence. Can't have come here for top dollar, must feel like he has something to prove and I think that's all good when you consider his abilities.

Smith 'gone' requires someone else to come in and decide it would be a good idea to pay Smith £60k per week. Why the fuck would anyone do that? We'd all like him gone, but he's here til he's had his last contractual penny out of us. Gets a bit daft hearing this.

Should have done it to the tune of 'John Ketley is a weather man'.

You're off your head you like. Ikea must have fucked you right over.

You sunk my battleship

Deleted! No need!

Black and white army!

Very much doubt I've ever been able to do a sub 13 tbh.

cc please chez.

Happy 19th birthday tomorrow btw Chez.

I knew alkies got extra money. j69 0 Steve 3 today like. Just as well it's injury time now. Except they dont. Despite what Chez's mother says Not all of them, but some do. The ones that take their bottles back.

According to that Sex Education show i've been wanking over watching recently the average erect dong is 5-7 inches That's quite a range. Wahey!!!!

You know in Palestine, they shoot people who are shit at karaoke. Is that true like? I heard Paul Shane was kneecapped by the PLO during a trip home to see relatives.

KSA: 6 on the soft or 6 at full mast?

Remember us being linked with him back in the day and absolutely whincing. You're spot on like, a top flight career on the back of a forlorn but recurring hope he might sort of replicate his brother's talents. Garbage.

I've told you a million times Stevie, don't exaggerate.

Which actual players fit this model? Ashley didnt buy Carroll, Milner or N'Zogbia and didnt make a profit on Barton, Nolan or Enrique. Not sure you can use Carroll as an example of the model as he came from the academy and therefore has no relevance to the purchase of players in the market. He has a huge relevance ie bought for zero and sold for £35m = £35m profit. Thats the ultimate but even Ashley knows he cannot put out a team of academy players so he has to buy in. Its irrelevant if Ashley bought Milner (8m), N'Zog (5.75m), Carroll (35m), Beye (0.6m?), Bassong (7.5m), Given (5m) etc, the profit is still a profit. Those 6 alone have realised a purchase/sale profit of over £60m. Yeah but equally you can make the point that, Carroll aside, those players were all bought while we were still a 'spending club' (in relative terms). And Ashley has run a spending club-so those profits are made on selling the bigger ticket/recognised players. Might as well carry on with that model in that case as that's whats proven. Spending club? Those 6 cost a total of just under £8m, if anything the purchase of those players and their subsequent sales galvanise the fact that you dont need to spend mega bucks to make a profit. Why do you think it is that so many of our recent purchases are through clauses in the contract or appear to be purchased below their market value? Purchases often seem to be made this season on whether we can get them in cheap rather than if we actually need them to fill a gap. its a bit like the bent bargains corner in Tesco, you dont really need that massive cream cake but come on its half the normal price, you'd be daft not to. Often however it goes in the fridge and has gone off before you can eat it. We're now essentially looking at players where theres little or no competition for signature-and where there is competition you can pretty much guarantee our interest will end. That for me is the defining factor. You could use that for either side of the argument tbf, if theres no competition then they cannot be as good as they are being bigged up to be. Surely we cant have the only scout thats able to spot potential in Inter Milan players? The logic seems to be though that they will come into the first team and hopefully perform, if they do then their value will increase. Its a win/win for the club, they get a player on the cheap that performs well and the profit margin is even greater if/when we come to sell him. Its all a gamble but by scouting out the players that seem to be undervalued then we're increasing our chances of winning that gamble. Im not even arguing that is necessarily a bad way to do things as long as its not the only way we do them. A good mix of established Premiership players with good pedigree and proven ability as well as undervalued "gambles" to bring through the ranks. More importantly, that strategy works if you reinvest the sale money on a further combination of the above not just even cheaper replacements. Don't disagree at all fwiw mate, I just don't know how realistic it is to get the established Prem players in if you stick to a very rigid to a wage cap. I think it's essentially that which drives us to other markets. I think all thats for certain is we will see turnover of our better players and, irrespective of how we're doing at any given time, that is going to fuck the fans off such that even if we did see some progress up the league, it will probably be difficult to truly enjoy.

Which actual players fit this model? Ashley didnt buy Carroll, Milner or N'Zogbia and didnt make a profit on Barton, Nolan or Enrique. Not sure you can use Carroll as an example of the model as he came from the academy and therefore has no relevance to the purchase of players in the market. He has a huge relevance ie bought for zero and sold for £35m = £35m profit. Thats the ultimate but even Ashley knows he cannot put out a team of academy players so he has to buy in. Its irrelevant if Ashley bought Milner (8m), N'Zog (5.75m), Carroll (35m), Beye (0.6m?), Bassong (7.5m), Given (5m) etc, the profit is still a profit. Those 6 alone have realised a purchase/sale profit of over £60m. Yeah but equally you can make the point that, Carroll aside, those players were all bought while we were still a 'spending club' (in relative terms). And Ashley has run a spending club-so those profits are made on selling the bigger ticket/recognised players. Might as well carry on with that model in that case as that's whats proven. Spending club? Those 6 cost a total of just under £8m, if anything the purchase of those players and their subsequent sales galvanise the fact that you dont need to spend mega bucks to make a profit. Why do you think it is that so many of our recent purchases are through clauses in the contract or appear to be purchased below their market value? Purchases often seem to be made this season on whether we can get them in cheap rather than if we actually need them to fill a gap. its a bit like the bent bargains corner in Tesco, you dont really need that massive cream cake but come on its half the normal price, you'd be daft not to. Often however it goes in the fridge and has gone off before you can eat it. I realise they weren't massive buys just to clarify, but it seems like you're lumping quite a few different cases in together there. I'd say we were a spending club in general terms at the time in that we used to go and compete for a players signature against other clubs. That doesn't pertain anymore. Milner was an already established English talent. We wouldn't be in for that anymore. Those however are all indicators you'll have a re-sale value too. We're now essentially looking at players where theres little or no competition for signature-and where there is competition you can pretty much guarantee our interest will end. That for me is the defining factor. Also, ref: players coming even when theres no gap to fill I agree that happens and it's crap but I think they are bought simply because they're cheap-it's evidence of precisely that. How is their value realistically likely to rise if they're either i) not going to play or ii) played out of position?

Stanton Exactly what I was thinking when I read the name.

Thought you meant the Barnet tbh. I did mainly. Not that Traughton had the excuse of running the 100 metres into a headwind at Gateshead.

just checked-complete memory malfunction