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BTW MugFool: http://www.eastfootball.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=38243

I'm not sure they will have myself Only needs 8 out of 30 to blow them out completely. (Raith and Falkirk already not so certain) and football fans have long memories: In 1964 Rangers tried to extinguish Berwick, Stranraer, Ayr, Stenhousmuir and one other in a league reorganisation. Also: Chris McLaughlin ‏@BBCchrismclaug SFA tell newco Rangers to get their application for SFA membership in by Friday. Chris McLaughlin ‏@BBCchrismclaug The SFA application must include fit and proper details from administrators re Charles Green and consortium Newco currently have NO football accreditation, they need SFA membership AND a positive vote from SFL members.

Take it up with the Celtic blogs/forums that raised the spectre of it. Just because it's never happened in football doesn't mean it can't. I agree Celtic wouldn't voluntarily give up that revenue but if there was a vote of league members that approved it, they'd have no choice, and that is what they are concerned about, the loss of their power or size advantage. It's not a fairy tale, it happens in at least one other sport (big as the EPL in money terms), in football, (which lets face it is a backwater when it comes to change/innovation) players couldn't leave for free at the end of their contracts not so long ago. If a league voted for it, what's to stop it. Where could Celtic (for example) go ??

Go onto Kickback and in the Liquidation thread (700-ish pages long) there's some links to Celtic blogs/forums where the "light has started to go on" that as the duopoly dies their potential monopoly is severely threatened and it is one of the concerns they raise, as evidently it has been mooted. Not digging it up for you. Anyway, what's so outlandish about it, revenue sharing is hardly a new concept. (although you being Mr Parochial-squared, I doubt you'd realise) It works for a £6.5 Billion turnover per year sporting organisation elsewhere. All revenue's go into a single pot (attendance, merchandise, TV the lot) and is then equally shared, owners/the league get the surplus, every team starts every year with an equal chance. Can't be a bad thing surely??

The SPL (to anyone outside the OF) is pointless with Rangers, only one from 2 could win it. There’s little difference tbh. Second place for those 2/3/4 years is opened up (which brings Europe), The 11-1 voting disappears, so money is distributed more fairly or equally. There will be a big restructure of the leagues because the SPL has been set up purely to feed the OF and maintain their dominance. The other clubs now have their chance to change that. Celtic will remain, for some time, the “biggest” fish but they will have to cut their cloth, thus the gap will close over time (especially if ALL gate receipts are shared equally, which includes home and away – the whole league gets a fair share of everything via revenue sharing – top to bottom, that levels the playing field, it no doubt screws Celtic, but everyone else gains and it becomes a real competition for the first time since the 80’s). It’s a long road, fans up there know that, but it’s a once in a lifetime chance. The league is crap, no-one (least of all the fans up there) dispute that, all they want is the chance to compete.

There's going to be big changes up there, Celtic will lose the OF power of veto, talk of equal shares of TV cash and even gate receipts to create a balanced league from top to bottom on a totally level playing field.

And the silence fromCeltic remains deafening, they'll lose more than most. They would've voted YES I reckon, the yes we want Rangers fucked, but the other clubs will screw us over without our ugly sister to vote with us, noises had already begun.

He won't, he calls stuff shite, then runs away when he realises he was wrong with the old "I'll reply tomorrow/later" post.

It could have been, in the Charlton/Milburn days it was all they had. Pro's got there through natural ability (and being lucky enough to be spotted). Training/coaching was run about do some star jumps then hop on the bus home for a tab and a beer in the pub. Other countries have moved on from natural ability being the end product, it's an edge to be honed and polished by proper coaching from a very young age. MugFool mentions Messi, Xavi and Iniesta, they joined Barca at 11,11 and12 respectively, I bet they weren't chucked into the back lane to play with tennis balls until 7 years later they miraculously hatched into REAL world class players. They were coached the right way and I doubt they were ever shouted at to hoof it. We're in the dark ages compared to elsewhere and the rewards for average players are ridiculous.

Watch some games, the average English footballer is technically lightyears behind his foreign counterpart. It really is that simple, and if you read Parky's number of coaches stat (here/Germany) it's not surprising.

This whole immigration thing is bollocks. It about the infrastructure at junior level. Asians tend to be of slight build, as PL said earlier they can't compete with hoofing it up to No9. Messi wouldn't have got a look in over here. Technically, home-grown players are crap compared to their foreign counterparts. As I said earlier watch any average German/Italian/Spanish game and compare the ability to control a ball immediately of Johnny foreigner to the blood and thunder Brits, Gerrard (one of the supposedly better players) regularly traps the ball 5 foot.

From Elsewhere: The English league is "the best in the world" not because of Englishmen IMO, the "British" player is not anywhere near as good as Johny foreigner and hasn't been (with the odd singular exception) for decades. Watch any run of the mill game from just about any other major league and the difference in technical ability of the average player is HUGE compared to the Brit players in our top league. I seriously don't know how you fix that.

Deaders, can you help ?? What's this mean:

All the agents and players fault, nowt to do with the "predicament" but but bit we're Rangers http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=223753&st=60

Well despite the protestations of the owner of Sevco 5088, who reckons they all TUPE'd accross, that they can't walk. Unfortunately in the case of a liquidation, TUPE is voluntary and can be opted out, so the players could indeed quite legally walk. On the other hand if they haven't walked, under TUPE their existing contracts have to be honoured, those same contracts that the old company could only pay by witholding tax/NI and VAT,Sevco 5088 has (at Friday) no bank acount and no income as well as no football accreditation (that's still with the terminally ill Rangers 1872) so can't register players. Payday is next Tuesday Interesting times. And then of course, there's the Judge: http://www.bbc.co.uk...w-west-18549293 If he aint happy with the report that he's requested he could freeze/rewind the assett sale etc. A taster: Dodgy Craig Whyte's "hand picked" Adminstrators statement: "Since the BBC documentary we have met Mr Roger Isaacs who appeared on the programme and was asked for his professional opinion as a forensic accountant. "Mr Isaacs informed us that he was not shown relevant documentation by the BBC and now, having reviewed the documentation, has told us that he is satisfied that our firm did not have knowledge of Ticketus funding being used to acquire Rangers in 2011, prior to the transaction being completed." Mr Roger Isaacs (Forensic Accountant) reply: "At the meeting you made various representations and offered to send me further documents to support them. "I have now had a chance to consider these and you should please be aware that I have not been persuaded that Duff and Phelps had no knowledge of the Ticketus deal to fund the purchase of the bank debt." Mr Isaacs adds: "My view remains, on the basis of the information I have, that Duff and Phelps appear not to have been able to fulfil the necessary requirements of independence to allow them to act as administrators" Someone's telling porkies !!!! The good old administrators who sold £100Million of assetts for £5.5 Mill (the amount of their fees) or the independent accountant blokey, hmmmm I wonder who !!!!!

and all the shite foreign imports will disappear, and young home grown players of any glimmer of ability won't get hoovered up, as a matter of course,by the OF and may actually develop into proper players by playing competitive football.

Update Judge orders report into Duff and Phelps appointment as administrators (they were dodgy Craig Whyte's choice begrudgingly accpeted by HMRC who wanted their own "boys" in). Judge states Administration must not end until he has seen the report, evidently the report will take 3 weeks. So Rangers 1872 will exist for 3 more weeks, with a NO vote to transfer the share Newco can't become Rangers 2012 for at least three weeks (or sometime therafter) If Judge doesn't like the report, everything will be likely be frozen, pending investigation. The new season will be 3 weeks away by then, can't see any way they play anywhere next season.

Oh I agree. I don't any longer.

I love the Den, it's hilarious. In all seriousness. That's what's really turned everyone else's attitudes so hard, if it'd been "fair cop" we've been a disgrace (or our owners have) relegate us to the thrid or somesuch, it could have been different. Most "decent" fans have adopted the contrite attitude, but sadly the club, it's officials and the media have been on the "we've been punished enough" and "what did we do wrong you MUST have Rangers" bandwagon that the momentum is hardening attitudes day by day. Just about everyone fanwise (from Brechin to Celtic) now just wants them dead (really dead)

C'mon ewerk, you know EXACTLY what he means, it's just his usual but camouflaged diatribe.

One of the stands facia is listed Administrators valued the assetts/land commercially at £100Million, then sold them to the new owner for £5.5Million,(which just so happens to be the amount that covers said administrators fees, the new owner also has previous business links to the "nota fit and proper person" Craig Whyte) the whole thing stinks. Not an outlandish suggestion that HMRC's liquidator will freeze/rewind that transaction when they're fully in charge. HMRC's Liquidator appointed is a heavy duty specialist in forensic liquidation of dubious companies. Expect all previously connected to get a good going over and perhaps some rather large tax bills (including ex players etc).

So we werent fucked pre Hall then thanks for clearing that up.

Tell me ?? Who cares where the 50,000 will go. as it stands they support a team that iminently does not exist, that's really true if the vote is NO. A new club can start but it'll be Rangers 2012, nee history, nothing, except in the minds of the fans. IF Rangers 2012 can get an association membership.

Utter rubbish Anyway we'll find out as they have REALLY dissappeared if there's a NO vote

There's an important difference, those smaller clubs you mention all happen to be English, where the football creditors rule (law) applies, that rule does not exist in Scotland, and the small clubs do, and have, died. Whatever happens if there's a NO vote, Rangers 1872 (or whenever) is absolutely dead (when the liquidator formally winds up) a "new" Rangers 2012 may appear. Gonna have to be significant SFA rule changes to let them in, just needs one other aspiring club, that meets the existing rules, to mount a legal challenge............. That said I reckon the SFA/SFL will kill the SPL and have a massive reorganisation of Scottish Football with a proper pyramid system etc. Where Sevco will fit in, who can say.