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Recent history would suggest that's more to do with a certain Swiss blokey rather than age.

Very good point. Platt, Gazza and Lineker for all the better for playing abroad. Don't know about Gazza like. Waddle's probably a better example. I don't think it's the underlying issue though. It's about not coaching kids to have a good first touch and awareness. Kick and rush rules at grassroots level. I know it's hard to change a culture but it's also about the coaches being available. It takes 3 times as long to get the Uefa pro licence in Spain as it does in England but they've got ten times more coaches. It's sad because you've got all this money being pumped into English football but we had more technical players in the pre-Premier League Italia 90 side. That was probably down to luck admittedly but what world class English players have come through since then? Not many in 20 years. Even the better players (Gerard for example) have the first touch of a rapist. loads of money does get pumped in, then it's syphoned straight out into the players and agents pockets. The players just are not good enough, never have been, they get blown up by the sycophants out of all proportion. As ever though the johny-foreigner manager will get the blame and the common denominator from all the tournament disasters will sail blithely on ego's intact.

Liar!!!!!!!!!!!!! The French were already surpressed way before the Tiger 2 was introduced

:icon_lol: Is that with reference to that bloke who flew in the BOB, with one arm and one leg who shot 22 of them down? Assuming it's Douglas Bader, who lost his legs in a flying accident pre war, became a Wing Leader before being shot down and captured. Coincidently I have his autograph on a rather fine first edition print by Taylor. I'm guessing like Bader you are a little stumpy twat Didn't realise you were a military man, TP. Am not, WW2 aeroplanes are my secret trainspotter-ism So basically you're into Military History and you're pretty pro-War yet you've never been in the forces? Funny and a little bit tragic tbh. As ever that's a reach?? I am not pro-war at all, just accept sometimes it happens (or needs to happen) and when it does it's bad.

The modern player is basically a big soft girl, so Adidas have given them built in sports bra's so when they fall over with monotonous regularity they dont hurt their tits.

:icon_lol: Is that with reference to that bloke who flew in the BOB, with one arm and one leg who shot 22 of them down? Assuming it's Douglas Bader, who lost his legs in a flying accident pre war, became a Wing Leader before being shot down and captured. Coincidently I have his autograph on a rather fine first edition print by Taylor. I'm guessing like Bader you are a little stumpy twat Didn't realise you were a military man, TP. Am not, WW2 aeroplanes are my secret trainspotter-ism

:icon_lol: Is that with reference to that bloke who flew in the BOB, with one arm and one leg who shot 22 of them down? Aye, I started calling Danny B it for a while. I.e. hasn't got a leg to stand on. He lost both legs in a plane crash I think and then was later allowed to fly again for the RAF. Also, was he the one with the dog called 'Nigger'? Apparently he trained it to shit in the neighbours garden. :icon_lol: :icon_lol: What a fuckin legend. The one with the dog was Guy Gibson, commander of 617 Squadron - The Dam Busters. The dog was killed (run over) on the day of the raid and his name used as the codeword for the Mohne (I think) dam breaking. Dog's grave is still at RAF Scampton and says the name big and proud

Is that with reference to that bloke who flew in the BOB, with one arm and one leg who shot 22 of them down? Assuming it's Douglas Bader, who lost his legs in a flying accident pre war, became a Wing Leader before being shot down and captured. Coincidently I have his autograph on a rather fine first edition print by Taylor. I'm guessing like Bader you are a little stumpy twat

They always were Craig. There was no way the one with the nufc shop tag wasn't finished product. Puma, perfect cheap arse product that fat fuckwit loves. A lad posted on Skunkers that he had something to do with Puma and that the badges were deffo going to be embroidered. I cut and pasted that in this thread somewhere. It was itself a cut and paste onto skunkers from somewhere else. Who are you on skunkers btw I'm same as here, my avatar went down well over there

Aye we've been listening to this "once the americans take an interest it's all over" argument for years. They just never get that interested. Thing is though, it's fundamentally changed over there, the kids are playing in en masse there'll be a real market for it (and everything is down to the market over there). It was a case of trying to convert the ignorrant previously, now they'll be preaching to the converted. I used to think it would never happen, but now I firmly believe the opposite. And while I'm on: FoG

what do you care? you have no allegiance when it comes to international football anyway I'm talking about league football, where do you think all the overpaid prima donnas will go when there's more dosh available. Baseball is dying on it's arse and so there's a gap emerging, if the yanks put their mind to it................. Oh and skidmark, by saying it'll never happen illustrates who the real tool is, you're worse than Kevin tbh Give me reasons why it will be then OK Kevin Part Deux, if you can't see it you're blind. Virtually all the kids play it now and there's bazillions of the bassas There's already a pro league that looks like it'll survive The "Football is crap" generation is a dying breed The USA team got to the final of the confed cup (beating Spain on the way and leading Brazil in the final) and they've just topped their group at the WC and the players comprising that team come from a generation in which soccer was seen as insignificant. When the yanks put their mind to a sport, they throw inestimable buckets of cash at it, and they'll want the best. It really is only a matter of time, the momentum is there. Oh and you really shouldn't cheek your elders, little boy.

what do you care? you have no allegiance when it comes to international football anyway I'm talking about league football, where do you think all the overpaid prima donnas will go when there's more dosh available. Baseball is dying on it's arse and so there's a gap emerging, if the yanks put their mind to it................. Oh and skidmark, by saying it'll never happen illustrates who the real tool is, you're worse than Kevin tbh

Having been an NFL fan for decades and on message boards since they were old and clunky I have seen a huge change in the average "yank" attitude to football. This was illustrated amply last week when on a national blog/rumour site that I read, the site posted a World Cup "so what" piece in the old "it's boring and no-one scores" style. The reply comments went through the roof and were hugely disdainfull of the writers point of view. The day when the US takes over the world of football is ever nearer unfortunately.

Aye, watched a bit of it, the big fella looked completely out on his feet between points, yet still hit some belting shots, bet they're both a bit achy this morning !!!

To be fair the last one is a valid question

It was like

They looked like a bunch of strangers who'd been flung together at the last minute, there is no sense of team. Even the crappy countries (e.g. N Korea) have a team method/approach, can pass and move instinctively. Ingerlund get the ball and seem to have to look around for the next pass, no understanding and very easily closed down. They don't even look organised at the back, meet ateam with a decent "cutting edge" up front and they'll be royally fucked. Couldn't undrstand the SWP/Lennon sub, it's going badly, needs a change, so he changes it like for like. Very strange. It was screaming out for Joe Cole to come on.

away not home alledgedly then milners current employers

I don't like the England football team, nowt to do with England the place, you appear to be kevin squared tbh

Never said England nufc was a rivalry, the analogy is as an nufc fan you'd never want sunlun to win so why would a Scot want England to win??? Jealousy of what btw, because I don't want sunlun to ever win doesn't mean I'm bitterly jealous of them. It's nowt about loyalty to nufc, without nufc players the England team is just a collection of the same bunch of cunts I wish ill on each match day of every season, end of. The England football team means nothing to me, I do get wound up for the cricket team though.

fuck off kevin

I am totally ambivalent towards international football, but I do not wish well for ingerlund unless nufc are represented, nufc being my only real interest in football. Fail to see what the fuss is tbh and I find it amusing why you get all precious because other parts of Britain don't leap on the bandwaggon, as I said to Leazes it's a football rivalry and you never support your rivals. I do support the England cricket team though.

Just don't understand the "anyone but England" mentality of other BRITISH people tbh, especially those who live in England Would you ever support Sunderland in any game ??? Therein lies your answer. If push came to shove in any serious encounter (like a war) you'll find everyone rallying around the "flag". Watched the game in the Cairngorm Hotel in Aviemore (Tartan Army HQ), great atmosphere and brilliant craic, our party was a 4 to 5 split ABE to England supporters, bar was about the same. what have the mackems got to do with supporting England ? It was an analogy, you wouldn't ever want Sunlun to win, so why should you expect that a Scot/Welshman/Paddy should want England to win ?????? It's football rivalry man !!!! The only Scots I know who have any interest in England doing well are those who follow an English team, in truth most of the folks here don't care one way or the other.

I thought it was pretty good actually. In a fair and just universe Brazil would have won in '82. Italy had a cracking side too mind. They played some great stuff in the final in particular. France were excellent too. England weren't too shabby either but were undone by the daft 2nd group stage. They didn't lose a game (on penalties or otherwise - played 5, won 3 and drew 2, including beating the French in their opening game). Whatever happened to Paolo Rossi? I recall watching that tournament vaguely (I'm 42 now) but I can only really remember Brazil. Plus Rossi. Drugs and/or corruption I think, can't rightly remember

you are fuckin joking Nope, them or the Germans, always had a soft spot for the Jerries, since Beckenbauer days.