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religion. lol

I hope Redknapp gets it. I hate the dodgy rentaquote twat, but it seems a win win to me. If England actually do well then fair enough-I could get over my dislike and still enjoy England being successful. If he fails then the fall from grace would obviously be marvelous

I still think he is shit, everybody else still thinks he was good. I'm still right

Frank Clark - My Dad used to tell me he only got in the team because he did Joe Harvey's gardening at least 5 times a match. He wasn't so much a victim of the boo-boys more the grumblers Finally left after after about 15 years, out to the knackers yard at last according to my Pa. Then managed to fit in A Championship European Cup and a few League cup wins. Not bad for a past it donkey. Owner of my favourite song ever mind Frank Clark knew my father, father new Frank Clark

David Batty - if anyone cost us the title it was that yorkie scrote

Wasnt he the bloke obsessed by the Lindisfarne gospels or some such

pm pls

what was that mate ? Man City at home November 1968. We won 1-0. Wynn the leap scored with a header from a corner. I'd be lying if I said I remembered that Sinclair took the corner, but there's got to be a good chance he set up the fist goal I ever saw. Don't know how you embed youtube but see what he did against them 6 months earlier at 1:06. Quality. All the old blues I speak to talk about this game (understandably). Last game my dad saw too before moving to Manchester for university. Have always loved this footage. Thanks for that - Great goal - Fantastic atmosphere. I dont want to come the old codger, but the sound that used to come from the ground, and the Leazes in particular was like nothing you've ever heard. I lived in Low Fell and you could hear when we'd scored. I remember playing football in the park when that game as on, with everyone trying to work out the score from the crowd noises. iirc there was 4 teams in with a chance of winnng the league going into that game Then when I got to go to my first game the noise was just incredible. They ripped the heart out of the club when the Leazes came down. Even when KK and SBR had the team flying it never felt quite the same.

what was that mate ? Man City at home November 1968. We won 1-0. Wynn the leap scored with a header from a corner. I'd be lying if I said I remembered that Sinclair took the corner, but there's got to be a good chance he set up the fist goal I ever saw. First man from the Fairs cup team to go I believe - sad day

Played in the first match I ever saw - RIP

I agree with this standpoint

row of tents

Basically you either Loven or Hatem tbh. mancie on fire in this thread

Nice work MM - And I think that nails exactly the reason why the regime ultimately failed.

You've done a good job of standing off and interjecting little one-liners like this from time to time. Makes you sound oh-so-world-weary. Also makes you sound like you know what you're talking about, when I doubt you do. So what might these 'facts' be? Where is the 'conspiracy theory'? Who's being 'naive'? Join in the discussion if you have something to say. I see your post Leazes and I'll respond later. My point is that you all have theories/ideas based on your own agendas/something you've read rather than experienced or fact hence judgement on a book none of you have read but rather paraphrased via Google. Some are so anti US they believe anything they see written that slings dirt in their direction. The whole point of this thread was basically outrage that people had the freedom to protest against something they felt was wrong. The fact that they weren't burning books, issuing death sentences is what sets them apart from those you see burning effigies of anyonr who had the sheer nerve to disagree with their opinions (almost what happens on here). I think I asked you for specifics. You didn't provide any. It's unfortunate that you assume that a: I haven't read the book and b: that I don't base my ideas on 'experiences' or 'fact.' Well, I can see 'The Satanic Verses' from where I am sitting right now. It's on a shelf, between 'White Teeth' and 'The Search for the Giant Squid' (don't ask.) Would you like me to quote from it for you? Here you go: "The anger with God carried him through another day, but then it faded and in its place there came a terrible emptiness, an isolation, as he realized he was talking to thin air, that there was nobody there at all and thrn he felt more foolish than ever in his life and he began to plead into the emptiness, ya Allah, just be there, damn it, just be." Page 30. It's one half of a paragraph about 1/3 of the way down on the right-hand page. Secondly, I think my 'experiences' and the 'facts' that I know will vastly outstrip yours. Unless you mean to tell me that you are also a Muslim and a New Yorker, that you were in NY on 9/11, that you have lived in a Muslim country (Egypt), that you have two degrees in Middle Eastern history and high school education, that you make your living teaching this exact sort of thing to adolescents, I think I have 'experienced' a bit more than you and I think I know a few more 'facts' than you do. Even those who most vehemently disagree with what I have to say on the subject have never tried to insinuate that my knowledge of the topic is 'paraphrased from Google', of all things. So unless you'd like to join in the discussion in earnest and bring your own facts and evidence to back up the specific statements that you make instead of throwing out a few undefined accusations of 'agendas' and 'naivete' (that's with a second 'e', not a 'y', just for your information), then please, in the immortal words of Stevie, pipe down. I don't think the 'entire purpose of this thread' was to express outrage at the freedom of people to protest, as you say. Look back at the first post. I think it was to express outrage and wonder at what they have chosen to protest. Similarly, did you think the teddy bear Muhammad scandal was an outrageous cause for conflict and inflammation? But do you support the right of those people to protest (peacefully) what they felt to be wrong? I was going to write a post applauding your patience, and the sensible and reasonable way you are standing your corner and stating your case. I do find it puzzling though how one of the seemingly more balanced and educated posters in this thread actually believes in whichever version of the fairy tale happens to have been imprinted on you. One of the reasons I would oppose the banning of the "mosque" is the (forlorn) hope that the more people discussed the situation the more people would realise how stupid the whole idea is in the first place

plus equals get to it

He's decent crack tbf. Seems like a thinker anyway. Nice to have Fop back. Ooooh -you could be right

You are nowhere near as clever as you think you are

Quite right - I'm starting a Tony Martin style peoples movement to support her.

i have strong feelings about people who blow planes into buildings, yeah. i think the reaction of the people in new york is easier to understand than the decision by the muslim community in manhattan to commission a mosque to be built so close to ground zero. you'd think they'd have a bit of common sense. why not build one a little further uptown instead? At least Leazes has the intellectual honesty to say what he believes and defend it, this half arsed they should build it further away argument is even more offensive to me i don't agree with leazes. he's tarnishing all muslims with the same brush. i'm not. there are plenty of moderate average joe muslims out there. i don't get why they couldn't see that this move would open a can of worms. This Imam is a moderate who has long tried to reach out to other faiths http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archiv...been-one/61761/ 'Ground Zero' Imam: 'I Am a Jew, I Have Always Been One' In 2003, Imam Rauf was invited to speak at a memorial service for Daniel Pearl, the journalist murdered by Islamist terrorists in Pakistan. The service was held at B'nai Jeshurun, a prominent synagogue in Manhattan, and in the audience was Judea Pearl, Daniel Pearl's father. In his remarks, Rauf identified absolutely with Pearl, and identified himself absolutely with the ethical tradition of Judaism. "I am a Jew," he said. He wants to build this outreach centre to promote understanding and reconcilliation. People ar ealways asking for moderate Muslims to come forward - one has and look at the response As I said at least Leazes is honest i'm being honest too. the reference to sep 11 was an attempt to demonstrate that i have some compassion for the people in new york who are objecting to this. september 11 2001 isn't that long ago. i have nothing against the people behind the new mosque and despite their intentions, which look good enough, they should have predicted that this would turn out the way it has. they should have known better. america is a very conservative place by european standards. the reaction there has been overblown but very predictable. The people who are objecting to this are, in the same way that you are, conflating the muslim religion with terrorism. Being outraged by the building of a muslim centre is to say that all muslims support terrorism. This view should be opposed i'm not saying the people behind the mosque are terrorists. but if the moderates want to restore the faith lost in them by many americans post- 9/11, they'd do their cause no harm by rethinking this move. look, there's no law saying that what they're doing is wrong they're doing. it just strikes me as being more than a tad insensitive. Your argument that its insensitive to promote understanding between peace loving religions is nonsensical that's all very well in theory but in reality, all they're doing is drawing attention to an atrocity that new yorkers are still sensitive about. No in reality bigots and the politically opportunistic are whipping up anti islamic feeling and idiots are getting taken in by it

i have strong feelings about people who blow planes into buildings, yeah. i think the reaction of the people in new york is easier to understand than the decision by the muslim community in manhattan to commission a mosque to be built so close to ground zero. you'd think they'd have a bit of common sense. why not build one a little further uptown instead? At least Leazes has the intellectual honesty to say what he believes and defend it, this half arsed they should build it further away argument is even more offensive to me i don't agree with leazes. he's tarnishing all muslims with the same brush. i'm not. there are plenty of moderate average joe muslims out there. i don't get why they couldn't see that this move would open a can of worms. This Imam is a moderate who has long tried to reach out to other faiths http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archiv...been-one/61761/ 'Ground Zero' Imam: 'I Am a Jew, I Have Always Been One' In 2003, Imam Rauf was invited to speak at a memorial service for Daniel Pearl, the journalist murdered by Islamist terrorists in Pakistan. The service was held at B'nai Jeshurun, a prominent synagogue in Manhattan, and in the audience was Judea Pearl, Daniel Pearl's father. In his remarks, Rauf identified absolutely with Pearl, and identified himself absolutely with the ethical tradition of Judaism. "I am a Jew," he said. He wants to build this outreach centre to promote understanding and reconcilliation. People ar ealways asking for moderate Muslims to come forward - one has and look at the response As I said at least Leazes is honest i'm being honest too. the reference to sep 11 was an attempt to demonstrate that i have some compassion for the people in new york who are objecting to this. september 11 2001 isn't that long ago. i have nothing against the people behind the new mosque and despite their intentions, which look good enough, they should have predicted that this would turn out the way it has. they should have known better. america is a very conservative place by european standards. the reaction there has been overblown but very predictable. The people who are objecting to this are, in the same way that you are, conflating the muslim religion with terrorism. Being outraged by the building of a muslim centre is to say that all muslims support terrorism. This view should be opposed i'm not saying the people behind the mosque are terrorists. but if the moderates want to restore the faith lost in them by many americans post- 9/11, they'd do their cause no harm by rethinking this move. look, there's no law saying that what they're doing is wrong they're doing. it just strikes me as being more than a tad insensitive. Your argument that its insensitive to promote understanding between peace loving religions is nonsensical

i have strong feelings about people who blow planes into buildings, yeah. i think the reaction of the people in new york is easier to understand than the decision by the muslim community in manhattan to commission a mosque to be built so close to ground zero. you'd think they'd have a bit of common sense. why not build one a little further uptown instead? At least Leazes has the intellectual honesty to say what he believes and defend it, this half arsed they should build it further away argument is even more offensive to me i don't agree with leazes. he's tarnishing all muslims with the same brush. i'm not. there are plenty of moderate average joe muslims out there. i don't get why they couldn't see that this move would open a can of worms. This Imam is a moderate who has long tried to reach out to other faiths http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archiv...been-one/61761/ 'Ground Zero' Imam: 'I Am a Jew, I Have Always Been One' In 2003, Imam Rauf was invited to speak at a memorial service for Daniel Pearl, the journalist murdered by Islamist terrorists in Pakistan. The service was held at B'nai Jeshurun, a prominent synagogue in Manhattan, and in the audience was Judea Pearl, Daniel Pearl's father. In his remarks, Rauf identified absolutely with Pearl, and identified himself absolutely with the ethical tradition of Judaism. "I am a Jew," he said. He wants to build this outreach centre to promote understanding and reconcilliation. People ar ealways asking for moderate Muslims to come forward - one has and look at the response As I said at least Leazes is honest i'm being honest too. the reference to sep 11 was an attempt to demonstrate that i have some compassion for the people in new york who are objecting to this. september 11 2001 isn't that long ago. i have nothing against the people behind the new mosque and despite their intentions, which look good enough, they should have predicted that this would turn out the way it has. they should have known better. america is a very conservative place by european standards. the reaction there has been overblown but very predictable. The people who are objecting to this are, in the same way that you are, conflating the muslim religion with terrorism. Being outraged by the building of a muslim centre is to say that all muslims support terrorism. This view should be opposed

i have strong feelings about people who blow planes into buildings, yeah. i think the reaction of the people in new york is easier to understand than the decision by the muslim community in manhattan to commission a mosque to be built so close to ground zero. you'd think they'd have a bit of common sense. why not build one a little further uptown instead? At least Leazes has the intellectual honesty to say what he believes and defend it, this half arsed they should build it further away argument is even more offensive to me i don't agree with leazes. he's tarnishing all muslims with the same brush. i'm not. there are plenty of moderate average joe muslims out there. i don't get why they couldn't see that this move would open a can of worms. This Imam is a moderate who has long tried to reach out to other faiths http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archiv...been-one/61761/ 'Ground Zero' Imam: 'I Am a Jew, I Have Always Been One' In 2003, Imam Rauf was invited to speak at a memorial service for Daniel Pearl, the journalist murdered by Islamist terrorists in Pakistan. The service was held at B'nai Jeshurun, a prominent synagogue in Manhattan, and in the audience was Judea Pearl, Daniel Pearl's father. In his remarks, Rauf identified absolutely with Pearl, and identified himself absolutely with the ethical tradition of Judaism. "I am a Jew," he said. He wants to build this outreach centre to promote understanding and reconcilliation. People ar ealways asking for moderate Muslims to come forward - one has and look at the response As I said at least Leazes is honest

So the USA should react to the intolerance of Islam by becoming more intolerant?

i have strong feelings about people who blow planes into buildings, yeah. i think the reaction of the people in new york is easier to understand than the decision by the muslim community in manhattan to commission a mosque to be built so close to ground zero. you'd think they'd have a bit of common sense. why not build one a little further uptown instead? At least Leazes has the intellectual honesty to say what he believes and defend it, this half arsed they should build it further away argument is even more offensive to me