The Fish

didn't mean to patronise alex, I was responding in kind to comment above, which quoted my post, inferring that my view is laughable. also this post is pretty patronising too mate. but back to the issue, I think it's a misunderstanding, when I'm saying don't blame the police I mean the man on the street, not the intangible office he represents. And even then I would not say that this arm of the government gets to decide policy, they're simply there to do th "dirty work" of politicians and policy makers. I agree that it's an absolute travesty that a man has died unnecesarily, but I cannot and will not lay blame at the feetr of the men and women who have to do a thankless job. The petty and jealous attitude that some people ( don't take that the wrong way I don't mean anyone on this board) have for the police is, in my eyes, offensive. I couldn't do their job and am frankly confused by the "damn the man" approach that people take up with the copper. There are some who are bad at their job, who are pedantic or power happy as is the same in every profession. But as with every profession, if you get along with them, they get along with you. I know I'm off on a tangent, but I feel it's relevant, I think that the police get a lot of bad press in this country when they are far far better than their global counterparts, we've all heard horror stories about the way European police deal with Brits on tour, and the American police are the same. Our police have a responsibilty and duty to protect us. They saw the very possible risk of fatal danger to members of the public and so took the only course of action that were sure would prevent further loss of innocent life. This time they got it wrong and a man, who's crime was relatively immaterial, died. This is a terrible thing, but to then imprison good men who were doing their job to the best of their ability with as much information as they possibly could, to do this would be a sad day.

is a cad and a bounder and a cheeky wee rapacalian but in an odarble cockerney orphan kind of way.

it's simple really alex. if the police didnt' shoot the man who left the house that was under observation, who then acted suspiciously, who then ran from both plain clothed and uniformed officers when they told him to stop, who then tried to board a tube... if they didn't shoot him as he was a terrorist hundreds of innocent people would have died. if they'd make a mistake and shoot 1 Brazilian man dies. If they make a mistake and don't shoot a terrorist hundreds of people die. It's all to easy in hindsight to say they shouldn't have shot, but put yourself in their position, they are shouting after a man who is under suspicion and he runs for a train... howay man you cannot possibly expect anyone to believe that you would somehow have accrued enough information in the time it took to get from the house to the train, categorically stating this mans innocence. You're being far too harsh on the police, they had to shoot and they had to shoot to kill, it is simply not worth the risk to try and take the man alive. split second decision meant a man died, but his decision to run put his life in other peoples hands... along side the guns they were carrying. he ran because he's guilty of a crime and you can sort of understand his desire to evade capture. He obviously did not take into account the current climate in london and the risks he was taking in running away from the Police who demanding his surrender. They can't shoot to wound, they can't use Tazers and they can't simply physically restrain the terrorist because the triggers can be in the hand already. He didn't surrender and with every step he took towards that train, he removed more and more doubt from the pursuing officers mind. if you want to blame people, how about blaming the sick deluded young men who have perpetrated acts of such horror that it is difficult to imagine that they are not mentally ill

should pass the message up to Southern Geordie that I have also used the Moniker "Kyzer Sosay"

don't be a dick alex, its a tragedy that a man died because of the situation, but I hardly apportion blame to the Police. Blame the government if you want, or the Americans, but the police are doing an increasingly risky job with little or no chance of success until the larger issues have been resolved. Yes his death was pointless but you have to hope that it'll prevent other people making terrible mistakes, if not then I truly have no hope for the regular joe on the street. If they're too stupid to stop when told despite seeing what is the probable outcome then they're making a very dangerous bed to lie in.

surely seeing someone shot dead for failing to stop would encourage other people to actually listen to the police as the alternatives could be fatal.

doesn't help me at all... what the hell is cc? should know I'll be hapy in about 8 hours as I'll be homeward bound from work by then

see a lot of people have gone for emre it'd be interesting to see how well the guy does... I'm hoping he'll take to the league lie Larry and not like Hugo

has confused me and should explain that declaration

feel bad for the guy who died, but you have to hope that this tragedy will stop further accidents happening and hopefully in some way contribute to getting closer to a solution on ground level to this problem before more innocent people are butchered by fanatics.

is like the facial blemish upon Lemmy from Motorhead's cheek. strangely compelling and what should be revolting is actually makes a dull thing interesting and completes it nicely (Told you I was being nice to people)

remembers the old sweeties "Black Jacks"

to be honest I've less and less faith in average joe, coppers have a tough job and the pedestrian folk don't make it any easier

I'm afraid that in reading about all the myriad reasons we have to go insane that I'm finding it harder and harder to cease the inevitable slide into disfunctional existence, rocking back on forth muttering incoherently, repeating the same stock phrase " phpBB : Critical Error Could not connect to the database "

is a grave robber and obviously as such has the "Dead mans hand"

I tried to make some joke about "turning the lights on" but it wasn't funny so instead I thought I'd dance for you

calls a Spade a Spade

will be clubbed to death if this thinly veiled reference to cards terminates

I swear I'm so close to going postal... trouble is I'm home alone (not a shoddy early 90's slapstick comedy) so I'd just take myself out... I'm waiting for the window cleaners (yes... they're working today.... and I gotta pay em £6 despite the fact that thirty seconds after they clean my windows they'll be hacky again) when they knock on the door they're going to get pent up anger in the form of a surly thankyou and a forced smile... oh aye, they'll not soon forget this day!

is all heart

obviously didn't read the "I'm poorly" conversation with Southern Geordie... but I apologise for my poor showing and will endeavour to fill the day with mindless ramblings in this thread.

Psychology Fifth Edition- Henry Gleitman,Alan J Fridlund and Daniel Reisburg ...

is a Joker

should never mock a lady about her age remember... they hold all the cards!

should hear tale of my poorly-ness, should also give sympathy and perhaps a manful pat on the back