Deano

so let's see now 4-1 v coventry 3-0 v preston that was 2 piss easy home games wasnt it and yet the pessimistic tools on here gave me pelters for saying it - let's face it, there are too many clueless numpties on here - there are probably some who still think WBA and Forest will finish in the top 2 ffs How many points do you think are needed for promotion? 14 games left, 6 at home including Forest next month but more importantly 8 away, the trickiest of which look Boro and possibly an improving Reading, which is our game in hand on Forest.We've got 63 points and there are 18 points up for grabs at home....dare we hope for 14? which takes us to 77....how many do we need to pick up away from home?.... We should be aiming to win ALL our home games tbh but id 14 is a good bet...4 wins and 2 draws. Away is where we have the problem...we have done well away at times and we need to get that form back on our travels...id be aiming for 4 wins from 8 or just a target of 12 points away from home.

Hughton is the man that needs replacing once we go up and you will see a difference. Only Carroll and Routledge havent had REGULAR PL or top league experience out of our 1st team tbh. Routledge played a full season for crystal palace in the prem in 2005 i believe. was really good aswell for them as i recall. I thought that but wasnt sure, that and how much he played for spurs. Only backs my point that our 1st team by majority has the basis for a good PL team. Of course we neeed quality additions though. By good i mean lower mid-table. Top 4 = Brilliant 5-8 = Very good 9-12 = Good 13-16 = Decent 17-20 = Poor Just my opinion...that team + GOOD manager + Financial backing = Good team Just my opinion agree with all of your sentiments but tbf Routledge broke his foot(?) in his 1st pre season for spurs and that set him back big time. added to that you had the emergence of Aaron Lennon who was on fire that season. not saying he's a brilliant player (Routledge) but i reckon he's a low to mid prem level player easily which is pretty much the best we can hope for atm. I really don't like bursting the bubble of those who have accepted lower standards but you are quite right. Leazes mate i dont think ANYONE has accepted "lower standards" as you put it. Do you honestly think anyone who calls themselves a newcastle fan is happywith seeing our side in the CCC, add to that do you think they like to see our club with an average "cheap" option manager and every window lookin for bargain basement signings? NO. We all are typically an ambitious bunch, we all enjoy seeing ourside in the PL and CL, challenging the big clubs for quality signings and domestic cups....but we ALL know this is what it is...for now. Relegation has given us a wake up call and the chance to build our club up from the bottom, long gone are the days of token signings like Owen and Luque like your mates signed and got us into financial difficulty. And now we look to a future where we can build slowly and sensibly. Villa and Everton and to some extent though i hate saying it Spurs should be the inspiration...if we even needed it. We will return to the PL, we will return to europe, we will once again sign quality players but its going to be a long process...at least when we get there we will hopefully be able to sustain it. You miss the point. I will never apologise for bringing up "my mates" [as you call them] where appropriate, which - again - is to point out that they in fact had the right idea for the majority of the time. Go back to 2003, in fact go to January 2003. They had done very little wrong for 10 years and then they in fact did what the vast majority of people advocate, including you in the above post. They were in a position - actually superior to that of Villa and Everton now, as you quote. They bought Woodgate for 9m quid a top player to continue to progress, but didn't overspend as they had one eye on the budget and books. They were then slated in the summer for not spending more ie money they did not have . Which is exactly what you are saying needs to be done if we get back to that position again. Which will never happen under Mike Ashley by the way, and maybe not the next owner either but only time will tell. In spite of this attempt to "move further" we slipped out of the Champions League places. What do you do then ? Continue "sensible spending" in the hope we get back in, or take a gamble and have a bigger shot at it ? This is exactly the position that the likes of Villa are in now. The point is, if you want to break into this elite band, and go further , then you must, must invest further. Villa may back O'Neill, if he spends badly will they then be criticised for "bad signings". If they do not back him, the will not, not go any further towards winning the premiership title. So what do you do ? Fact is, when we were in that position, they attempted to kick in and go further. You shouldn't knock attempts to bring top players to the club like Michael Owen. He was one of the few players around capable of taking over from Shearer and such a move was necessary, if you lower your sights, you go backwards and downwards. Guaranteed. And a lot of people on here have, in fact, accepted the [now] lower standards. Making optimistic noises about signing players who should never be good enough for NUFC proves it. When you articulate your point like you just have you make a very good point. Instead of little futile jibes. On the whole i do understand your point about speculating to accumulate, think big to be big and all that...but it was a number of BAD buys, bad EXPENSIVE buys that effectively fucked the club and stopped up from as you put it, Keep spending in order to go forward again. Remember those windows when we signed Ambrose and Bowyer and fuck all else? Obviously hindsight is a wonderful thing, looking back now we all would rather have FH and JH over FMA...but constantly going on about the previous regime is futile and irrelevant. But i understand your point Leazes.

If he sells up, any money loaned by Ashley would be settled as part of the sale (not necessarily at full face value) So in turn would we not then be debt free? or near enough?

I assume because the club isnt self financing. Though how I'll never know. Because we are in the CCC and revenue is alot less than what it would be in PL. Yeah, but overheads are much lower, we get a support payments for dropping down and sold off a fair few players for decent cash? We had people pay for 3 seasons tickets giving good up front revenue, we've supposedly paid off / refinanced loans so we pay less interest and we still pull in 40k people per week. We've been on the TV more times than most teams this season also. See my point? When you put it like that mate i agree completely tbh. It then makes me ask why the fuck didnt we spend more in the window!? Oh yeah because he's a cunt.

I think he's alrite tbh. Most improved poster of the season award? I wanted that one Yours is most consistent poester of the season mate

Hughton should send a bottle of champagne to Garry Johnsen!! Bristol with a big result for us today! Finised 2-1 and BC were excellent 2nd half. 6 points clear of WBA on 3rd and +5 GD. 5 points clear of Forest with a game in hand and +10 GD 13 Points clear of Swansea in 4th and +27 GD

I think he's alrite tbh. Most improved poster of the season award?

I assume because the club isnt self financing. Though how I'll never know. Because we are in the CCC and revenue is alot less than what it would be in PL.

Attain wasnt it?

Fuckin hell went for my dinner and missed 2 goals! Go on Bristol!!

Can I have a wrap of whatever you've been snorting?? In the real world, Ashley is never going to properly invest in NUFC. Theonly reward of football club ownership is public profile - no-one has ever made money out of the business, they've amassed their fortunes already. Almost 3 years on it's crystal clear that Mike Ashley has still to grab that concept. I wrap of patience and optimism maybe? Sure mate its free. I dont think we will reach those heights with FMA unstairs NO but if we are sold in the summer following promotion then i can see us getting back on track to once again being a top side in the PL and europe but like i said...its a long long long way away. NUFC has not died, and for sure NUFC wil NOT settle for being a CCC team nor a mid-table PL team for that matter. It will happen....in time. Save yourself the hassle mate and stop wondering - he may put us up for sale once more but without doubt we won't be sold. You believe the fans of NUFC won't settle for being a CCC team or even a mid-table PL team but don't kid yourself that Ashley will mind. As has already been said, constant yo-yoing will result in parachute payments which means it'll be an amount of cash that FMA doesn't have to find himself. Somewhat a cynical opinion but worryingly it could be true i know.

I agree! Cohen from Forest and Scott Danns are two others i'd hope we would be interested in. Especially Danns.

I disagree, the team that got relegated was a better side than the one we have currently I think we had better players, but I think that this a better "team" Certainly the back four are performing with more understanding of eachother and resolve. I think the purchase of a reliable striker is imperative, as is a mobile central midfielder who has a little guile in addition to graft. Both of these will cost money, money we don't have, so I'm very worried about next season. How much do you honestly think FMA will spend when we go up? Id say about 20mil...but really we need twice that much. A quality striker and creative midfielder are both going to cost at least 8mil each.

Can I have a wrap of whatever you've been snorting?? In the real world, Ashley is never going to properly invest in NUFC. Theonly reward of football club ownership is public profile - no-one has ever made money out of the business, they've amassed their fortunes already. Almost 3 years on it's crystal clear that Mike Ashley has still to grab that concept. I wrap of patience and optimism maybe? Sure mate its free. I dont think we will reach those heights with FMA unstairs NO but if we are sold in the summer following promotion then i can see us getting back on track to once again being a top side in the PL and europe but like i said...its a long long long way away. NUFC has not died, and for sure NUFC wil NOT settle for being a CCC team nor a mid-table PL team for that matter. It will happen....in time.

Hughton is the man that needs replacing once we go up and you will see a difference. Only Carroll and Routledge havent had REGULAR PL or top league experience out of our 1st team tbh. Routledge played a full season for crystal palace in the prem in 2005 i believe. was really good aswell for them as i recall. I thought that but wasnt sure, that and how much he played for spurs. Only backs my point that our 1st team by majority has the basis for a good PL team. Of course we neeed quality additions though. By good i mean lower mid-table. Top 4 = Brilliant 5-8 = Very good 9-12 = Good 13-16 = Decent 17-20 = Poor Just my opinion...that team + GOOD manager + Financial backing = Good team Just my opinion agree with all of your sentiments but tbf Routledge broke his foot(?) in his 1st pre season for spurs and that set him back big time. added to that you had the emergence of Aaron Lennon who was on fire that season. not saying he's a brilliant player (Routledge) but i reckon he's a low to mid prem level player easily which is pretty much the best we can hope for atm. I really don't like bursting the bubble of those who have accepted lower standards but you are quite right. Leazes mate i dont think ANYONE has accepted "lower standards" as you put it. Do you honestly think anyone who calls themselves a newcastle fan is happywith seeing our side in the CCC, add to that do you think they like to see our club with an average "cheap" option manager and every window lookin for bargain basement signings? NO. We all are typically an ambitious bunch, we all enjoy seeing ourside in the PL and CL, challenging the big clubs for quality signings and domestic cups....but we ALL know this is what it is...for now. Relegation has given us a wake up call and the chance to build our club up from the bottom, long gone are the days of token signings like Owen and Luque like your mates signed and got us into financial difficulty. And now we look to a future where we can build slowly and sensibly. Villa and Everton and to some extent though i hate saying it Spurs should be the inspiration...if we even needed it. We will return to the PL, we will return to europe, we will once again sign quality players but its going to be a long process...at least when we get there we will hopefully be able to sustain it.

Hughton is the man that needs replacing once we go up and you will see a difference. Only Carroll and Routledge havent had REGULAR PL or top league experience out of our 1st team tbh. Routledge played a full season for crystal palace in the prem in 2005 i believe. was really good aswell for them as i recall. I thought that but wasnt sure, that and how much he played for spurs. Only backs my point that our 1st team by majority has the basis for a good PL team. Of course we neeed quality additions though. By good i mean lower mid-table. Top 4 = Brilliant 5-8 = Very good 9-12 = Good 13-16 = Decent 17-20 = Poor Just my opinion...that team + GOOD manager + Financial backing = Good team Just my opinion

Hughton is the man that needs replacing once we go up and you will see a difference. Only Carroll and Routledge havent had REGULAR PL or top league experience out of our 1st team tbh.

The basis of a good PL team is there imho... ---Harper--- ---Simpson---Taylor---Coloccini---Enrique--- Routledge---(New ACM)---(New DCM)---Gutierrez--- ---Carroll---(New Pacey STR) --- Subs: Krul, Williamson, RB or LB, Smith, Guthrie, RM or LM and STR Back up: Lovenkrands, Ranger, Best, Donaldson, Vuckic, LuaLua, Raylor, Kadar and Forster In: 8 players...RB, LB, ACM, DCM, RM, LM, STR, STR...35mil??? Out: 4 players...Butt, Shola, Nolan and Barton...6mil?? Obviously for the above to happen we would need to be sold to someone with a bit of football knowledge, money and common sense.

Thats almost an average of 2 points a game and that alone is some solid form home and away. If we can start winning a few games on our travels which im confident we will then we will have no problem. I think the fact that Guthrie and Carroll have found some form and we now have two wingers to try and stretch play like JawD has said it means we have a good chance. Enrique and Barton back within 2 weeks too will be a help, especially as Enrique and Gutierrez had formed a good understanding together. Partnerships are popping up all over the pitch which can only be a good thing, it means that come the end of the season we SHOULD have a solid basis to build on in terms of our starting 11. Our back four of Simpson, Taylor, Coloccini and Enrique has been the biggest suprise this season andi think they will be good enough together next season in the PL, also Williamson looks steady and a good backup. We still need 3 more defenders for the PL though...Backup of RB, CB and LB. The midfield of Routledge, Guthrie, Smith and Gutierrez COULD be ok in the PL but i dont think Guthrie will ever be given the chance to be a regular CM while Hughton is in charge and we have Nolan. Our entire crop of CM's Smith, Guthrie, Nolan and Barton all have ALOT to prove in the PL and id give them the chance but id rather we went into the new season with a new CM pairing, let Nolan and Barton go and use Guthrie and Smith as squad players. We need at least cover for both RM & LM, another ball winning CM and most definatly an attack minded creative CM. Upfront id be happy to go with Lovenkrands and Carroll, not the best and in an ideal world id love to see us splash 10mil on a clever and pacey striker to play alongside Carroll and use Lovenkrands and Ranger as cover...let Ameobi go and get another striker in to get goals off the bench. We are stuck with Best so i just hope he is better than what he has showed already. As for finances...i dont think we know alot about it but one thing is for sure we HAVE to be in a better situation now than we were when FS left. We should be an attractive proposition should Ashley and i think he will, put us up for sale in the summer. Things are looking up indeed mate. Long way to go yet though.

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How did we play? Couldnt tell i was listenin to it on the wireless. Good result...good clean sheet. Forest won so we are atill 5 points ahead of them with a game in hand, WBA thmora, hope they slip up. Is that Lovenkrands and Nolan on 10 goals each this season? Carroll on 9?

I know iv got my ear pressed against the wireless like a red indian tracker...think i would of heard

Gooaaalll 3-0

Good stuff! Leeds were a good bet earlier this season...not so much now! How much u get back off the toon?

Ear to his wireless like some sort of red indian tracker. Or just my headfones in and a good imagination. i agree with geordie lad.............some proper tools on here......fuking idiots Where have you escaped from? Its Kevins alter-ego....JAB? ffs