ChezGiven
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Too cold innit. Although Lake Baikal is very picturesque. Russian posture can be traced back to not blocking Libya at the UN, the botched CIA coup in Ukraine and in fact right back to being snubbed from wanting to become an affiliate member of NATO.
These ngo and CIA backed colour revolutions have been getting on their nerves as well.
America is just getting a taste of what it's been dishing out for decades. Deal wiv it!!
There was no CIA coup in Ukraine, you have just swallowed every inch of Putin's propaganda cock like every other muppet on DavidIcke.com
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Borscht in the White House instead. Fuck the Russians, all states act like cunts but Putin is a murdering dictator who suppresses free speech and runs the country as a fiefdom.
When you are choosing between imperialist forces, there is obviously not that much of a choice but to not be able to understand the real differences, well the only thing to say to that is go fucking live there and see how you like it.
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Clinton's lead in the popular vote now 2.8 million.
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FOR much of post-Soviet history Russia was seen as an outlier whose politics would inevitably move towards those of the West. After the Brexit vote and the election of Donald Trump in America, it appears the opposite is taking place: the style of politics practised by Vladimir Putin’s regime is working its way westward.
From the Mediterranean to the Pacific, Mr Putin is hailed as an example by nationalists, populists and dictators. “My favourite hero is Putin,” said Rodrigo Duterte, the brutal president of the Philippines. Mr Trump called Mr Putin “a leader far more than our president.” In Italy Beppe Grillo’s Five Star Movement took Mr Putin’s side against the West, and the anti-immigrant Northern League, led by Matteo Salvini, has enthused about his Russia. “No clandestine immigrants, no squeegee merchants and no Roma encampments [in Moscow],” tweeted Mr Salvini during a visit in 2014.
In France Marine Le Pen, whose National Front received a loan from a Russian bank, attacks the European Union and America for being too aggressive towards Russia. In the words of Dimitar Bechev, the author of a forthcoming book on Russia in the Balkans, “Putin enjoys a cult status with all holding a grudge against the West.” Nowhere is that status greater than with the nationalists of America’s “alt-right”. Matthew Heimbach, the founder of the Traditionalist Worker Party and a crusader against “anti-Christian degeneracy”, told the New York Times he sees Mr Putin as “the leader of the free world.” He called for the creation of a “Traditionalist International”—a reference to the Communist International founded in 1919.
The last time Russia had such a role in crystallising anti-establishment ideas was in the 1920s and 1930s, after the Bolshevik revolution. When Stalin wrote that the Soviet Union had become an “open centre of the world revolutionary movement”, it was not just propaganda. In her book, “Moscow, the Fourth Rome”, Katerina Clark, a historian, writes that Moscow aspired to form the centre of a new civilisation, attracting Western intellectuals and claiming to be the only legitimate heir to the world’s greatest artists. “Moscow as a concept is the concentration of the socialist future of the entire world,” wrote the Soviet film-maker Sergei Eisenstein in 1933.
Today, 25 years after the Soviet collapse, Russia is again seen as an emblem—this time of a nationalist imperial order. And just as in the 1930s, its isolationism does not prevent it from being involved in the global populist, anti-establishment trend. The Kremlin’s bet on marginal right-wing parties has paid off as they have moved into the mainstream. It has pumped out disinformation and propaganda both through its official media channels, such as the RT and Sputnik news networks, and through thousands of paid internet trolls. Its cyber-attacks against Western countries produced troves of emails and documents which it dumped into the hands of foreign media, disrupting America’s presidential elections to the benefit of Mr Trump.
According to Bruno Kahl, the boss of Germany’s internal intelligence agency, the BND, “Europe is the focus” of Russia’s cyberattacks and disinformation—especially Germany, which will hold a federal election next autumn. France’s spooks say Russian backers may interfere in its presidential elections, too. Such activity recalls the Soviet Union’s so-called “active measures”, which aimed to disrupt and discredit Western democracies. In West Germany, says Anton Shekhovtsov, an expert on European far-right movements, the KGB propped up not only Communist parties and militants such as the Red Brigades, but also extreme right-wing groups.
Unlike the Socialists of the 1930s, the Kremlin and its friends today are driven not so much by ideology as by opportunism (and, in Russia’s case, corruption). Mr Putin’s primary goal is not to present an alternative political model but to undermine Western democracies whose models present an existential threat to his rule at home. Having lived through the Soviet collapse, he is well aware that the attraction of the prosperous, value-based West helped defeat communism. The retreat of that liberal democratic idea allows Russian propagandists to claim a victory.
Mr Putin has been careful not to endorse his admirers, whether Ms Le Pen, Mr Trump or radical nationalist activists. The president proclaims himself “the biggest nationalist in Russia,” but the nationalism he propounds is imperial rather than ethnically-based. Russia has nearly 20m ethnic Muslims, which makes official expressions of religious or racial chauvinism dangerous. Alexander Verkhovsky, an expert on Russian nationalism, observes that while the Kremlin fans and manipulates anti-Western nationalism, it has put grass-roots ultra-nationalist groups within Russia under unprecedented pressure. In August a Russian court sentenced Alexander Belov, a leader of the banned Movement Against Illegal Immigrants (DPNI), to seven and a half years in jail. The DPNI’s slogan is “Russia for [ethnic] Russians”. Last month, a nationalist demonstration was confined to the far outskirts of Moscow. A dozen marchers were arrested.
The Kremlin “counters ethnic nationalism with its own version of state nationalism,” Mr Verkhovsky writes—one based on wars and other state achievements, not on ethnic identity. In Mr Putin’s view the nation must consolidate around events, figures and ideas provided by the Kremlin. The regime was spooked by the violent, spontaneous rally staged by radicals and football hooligans in Moscow in 2010, and by long-running anti-Putin protests in 2011-2012 that brought liberals and nationalists together. In response, it came up with an imperial state nationalism that manifested itself in the annexation of Crimea and the war in Ukraine.
By doing so it successfully split the nationalists. Many nationalist protesters rallied to the imperialist cause. Liberal protesters were demoralised. Some of the radicals went to fight in Donbass, and later resurfaced in Syria. Russia’s actions abroad allowed Mr Putin to channel nationalist protest of any kind away from his own corrupt elite. And yet, while Mr Putin recognises the potential of nationalist populism in America and Europe to discredit democracies, he knows that it is a dangerous substance. After all, Mr Trump’s victory could serve as an inspiration to Mr Putin’s opponents, who see him as the epitome of the corrupt establishment.
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With Normandy, you're probably best booking a few decent B&Bs or 3/4 star hotels in the good towns. If you come from Calais, i'd go.
Etretat - Picturesque village / town with massive cliffs, nice walks
Deauville - Posh seaside resort, has a film festival. Loads of parisians have their 'maison secondaire' there.
Cabourg - Just as nice as Deauville but cheaper, might be a good place to base yourself to explore the coast between Le Havre and Bayeux
Bayeux - Decent carpet
Brittany is not somewhere i know as well. I would recommend going to somewhere like St Malo but the best spots are on the southern facing coast of Brittany and particular the Gulf of Morbihan. You'd want to stay in Vannes to explore the coast between Concarneau and Saint-Nazaire.
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Good post.I think what's naive is reducing it to good and bad. There's not right and wrong, there's competing national (and business) interests. Manoeuvres played and responses, that's what I thought the Dan Carlin Podcast on "poking the Bear" was excellent at presaging.You can pick a side and argue why that is the one you want to prevail. Why ignorance would be bliss on one side and why knowing actual true facts destabilises our democracy. Most of us in the west would obviously want western interests to defeat Eastern, but IF the Ruskies have played the game so well as to get a stooge into power in the US, then western intelligence agencies are failing badly and need to get their arse in gear and either start hitting Russia back hard with their own information backed with evidence (not disinformation, because, as you say, there's no trust anyway) or at least diplomatically going to them with such information that could impact their interests and convince them to reign things in and retreat, lest it be made public.That's all entirely hypothetical for us uninformed proles though.The only evidence we see is the likes of the DNC mails, the Podesta mails and the Weiner mails cited as impacting the election. Prior to that, the Nuland Pyatt call, the Iraq tapes, the Afghan leak, the drone papers, Snowden, The diplomatic cables, The Syria Files, Stratfor and others all undermine western confidence in their leadership as you described.Many of those also implicated Russia in instances but have harmed the Western governments to a far greater extent.Are Russia engaging in less naughty behaviour or are they just better at doing it covertly? Do leakers in the US (despite the efforts of Obama) just not fear punishment as much as in Russia? Have the Russians kept their eye on the cold war fight while the west lost those skills worrying itself with a small group of terrorist bandits with so little artillary they have to use themmselves as weapons? Are Russia better at targeting useful information while the west have built such a large haystack they can't find any needles? Without comparable Financial, technological or military might, is information the only weapon Russia has and so they have become far better at hacking (others) and securing (their own) IT?Whatever the answers, IF this is going to be the story of the next few decades, then we best start improving our strategy.All of that said, there has been nothing whatsoever but baseless, anonymous claims that pre-election leaks (let's not call them hacks until they are shown to be hacks) were the work of Russia. Sabre rattlers on both sides would be delighted to have the public believe they were though. Russia being a powerful clear and present danger helps many powerful Americans and Russians. Democratic apparatchiks as well, they would love to have an excuse for somehow contriving to hand an election to TV's most famous twat, whose own party largely opposed him.If we blindly go along with these claims then it ramps up the danger. The danger has been escalating for years anyway with proxy wars expanding, but from my perspective, it's much better to err on the side of caution and have evidence before returning to cold war levels of mistrust and opposition. Given the reported disagreements between US intelligence agencies, there seems a reasonable chance that the evidence is overstated.Any claims of certainty that the Russians are responsible for Trump should be treated as sceptically as Saddam's WMD./waffle
Good reply and sums it up well. I think where we diverge is on this last point. Taken independently with no context, just based on the evidence i would agree we should be sceptical. However, we live in reality and in the throes of Russian imperialistic policy in the middle east, eastern Europe and China. We know they hack for political purposes, both sides do that. Lots of people are saying they did the DNC hacks, as i said, first principles, common sense whatever you want to call it points to Guccifer 2.0 being a Russian government hacker.
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Who is blind to Russian imperialism?
Everyone who thinks they should criticise the west based on propaganda from Russia.
I'd estimate half of Facebook, so roughly 500 million people.
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They all ski together at Chamonix ffs! Get over yerself.
The things that narks me is that all of this is set against a carefully spun narrative from Russia on US aggression in Ukraine and Syria. A message that has incidentally massive support amongst people who follow David Icke and the like, the alternative thinkers, the conspiracists, who have been targeted by Russia in the only part of their war which is truly 'soft'. The rest of it is hard as nails and they have used the split in the West's thinking on the West's own policy to undermine support and have ruthlessly and deliberately exploited the lack of trust in the US and the West since Iraq.
Ukraine was a CIA plot, Crimea just a democratic eventuality, in the story of soft Russian power in the face of US aggression? Same story holds in Syria, for everyone. They have identified the lack of trust and doing everything they can to exploit. English written Facebook memes decrying US aggression come from Russia via RT and multiple other affiliate websites.
The truth? Well if the US started the fight in the Maidan, if the US caused the bloodshed in Syria, they are in the work and Russia was right, right? So Trump is on the side of good, doing what's right for the world, fucking over the CIA? Yeah!!!
Wrong and if you don't see the importance of Tillerson you are missing the victory that Putin is now celebrating. It should also tell you that everything you read on Syria is full of shit too, as a bunch of Russian (and now US!) Oilmen, leading the politics strategy in the Middle East aren't somehow miraculously going to be doing things for peace.
That would be taking the naivety of the counter narrative suckers to extremes.
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No idea if what you two posted was meant to argue against Russian interference. Am fine if the answer is yes because the US interfered in theirs. Am not fine with the 'the Clintons had strategic engagement with Russia' so somehow it's fine for the US and the world to be manipulated by Russian hackers and propagandists.
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That's got nothing to do with the subject under discussion as far as I can tell. Which is Russian interference. If true, Russian hacking and interference in an election for a candidate who has extensive links to Russian business interests is more troubling than a 'rapprochement' under Obama. But that's not the point.
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Trump saying that the idea is ridiculous also funnily enough points to them being involved.
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Common sense says they were involved, decades of KGB interference says they were involved, Fancy Bears says they were involved, the 1000 plus propaganda force deployed on western website operating out of St Petersburg says they were involved, The Trump campaigns troubling and deeply compromised relationship with Russia says they were involved, the CIA and the DNC say they were involved. Literally everything that is happening in Syria shows just one example of the extraordinary importance of Trump's win for Russia, a win in a 2 horse race in a country that has defined itself in soft or hard opposition to Russian imperial ambition for decades.
But no, some bloke off Wikileaks says so that's that
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Also has a very strong vested interest in denying Russian involvement.
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Trump didn't win cause Google is skewed and people make up shit on Facebook he won because people are exchanging information and stories on the internet and making their own Youtube channels that get 50,000 - 150,000 views per episode. He won because communities are now more organized with reg to local information and have turned off the MSM (figuring out that it mainly speaks for the establishment and big business).
It's taken time but we're finally here....People making their own news. News isn't the signified it's a signifyer. It has no value outside of its ability to engage. The old stories are no longer engaging because they are 'the story' not 'the stories'.
The war has begun.....The war for the future.
Brace for impact.
You should read the article as although all those points are relevant, the targeted messaging on Facebook with memes designed to elicit an emotional response from CA and their Republican Hedge fund backers is the darkest shit i've come across. The Globalists are still in charge, they've just fooled everyone into thinking they are anti-establishment.
The greatest trick the devil ever played etc....
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The eyesight on this forum is definitely declining.
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Soundtrack also featured an updated version of the immense Hoppipola
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Proper moaning now innit.
How ironic that you used to say that you were looking for the truth
I dont know if it heralds a worsening of the world or its just more bullshit, time will tell. Did you read the article that Gloomy posted about Cambridge Analytica, OCEAN scores and Facebook manipulation? I thought you would have been all over that.
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We've been getting fed fake news for as long as I've been alive. It's up to you breeders to educate this thick generation of kids that can't discern between the real stuff and the fake stuff.
I dont think thats true and not in such volume and with not with the same circulation. Its a coming together of social media, populism, financial crisis, immigration and clueless millennials. Actually i dont think that last one is fair, quite a few of my mates believe in utter gibberish nowadays about food etc.
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Not the worst thing you've called me tbf.
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https://sheg.stanford.edu/upload/V3LessonPlans/Executive%20Summary%2011.21.16.pdf
Evaluating Information: The cornerstone of civic online reasoning. Stanford University.
"When we began our work we had little sense of the depth of the problem. We even found ourselves rejecting ideas for tasks (kids are asked to evaluate very simple evidence and websites) because we thought they would be too easy. Our frst round of piloting shocked us into reality. Many assume that because young people are fuent in social media they are equally savvy about what they fnd there. Our work shows the opposite."
Basically kids these days cant tell the difference. The national journalist i talked with last week said this is the biggest topic of debate amongst his professional circle. They dont know what to do about it and according to the Stanford research, the next generation of kids isn't equipped to handle it either.
President Biden
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The CIA coup in Ukraine is the biggest pile of shite ever spun in Western media. I remember my brother furious at it all after all the links about it on chemtrail.id.iot or whatever it is. The evidence presented was a tapped phone call between 2 lowly European Parliament advisors who may have said something which contradicted the official story about where shots were fired from on one of the days of protest. This was presented by the Russians (who did the tapping) as proof that the official line was not true.
This is what the Russians want you to believe, that Ukraine is on the brink of signing an accord with Europe that has widespread support among its people but when it looks like not being signed, the US manage to make the people of Ukraine rise up in protest (just a few CIA operatives striking matches and setting fire to the streets of Kiev) and that the uprising leads to the annexation of Crimea and a Russian army invited into Ukraine
:lol: 
Here is the timeline of some events.
November 21st 2013, the EU agreement is on the table and this man ....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arseniy_Yatsenyuk
and a blog on this site
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korrespondent.net
lead to the first protests on against the likely rejection of the EU trade deal.
Why does this happen? The Ukrainians were happy progressing with their move westwards in 2013, building the trade agreement when in August 2013, Russia starts a trade war that stops them getting energy from Russia and bans all their exports.
In the face of this economic pressure, the Ukrainian government abandons the EU agreement on Nov 21st, that same day the protests start and the first steps to war are initiated. The CIA doesnt even feature in this discussion, none of this is disputed. The only place you see this shit is from RT and alternative websites. Its so ironic that in attempting to be a truth seeker and unveil the lies of one set of 'globalists', you should fall hook line and sinker for the even more deceptive patter of their enemies.