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I'm making some using the recovery manager. Is there anything else I should do?

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One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. The U.S. has been training really evil and nasty 'freedom fighters' in camps in Panama for at least 3 decades to be let loose in various parts of South and Central America (more recently Afghanistan). In Iraq currently there are thousands of 'mercenaries' from all over the world getting paid by our side who have no legal standing to be fighting or taking part logistically in a war of any kind. Let's not start pretending some nutters from wherever caught in war zones who happen to be 'on the other side' is anything new or unique. What troubles me personally is where there is clear evidence of people who are our citizens taking part in scenarios against us. That is what we need to look at and get some consistency on how we deal with it. I agree it needs dealing with.

The Birmingham lot got off cause it was clear they were in Pakistan for a wedding as they maintained all along. Not sure if these are the same lads you're on about...? Aye there's some that were taken in Pakistan (and some poor bastards that were quite clearly completely erroneously taken in Pakistan - that taxi driver that was taken and held for 2 years for example ), but a significant proportion held there were taken in Afghanistan in combat or in areas where they could be little else other than enemy combatants. So there's quite a few (perhaps the majority) in Guantanamo that pretty much were either active Islamic fighters or training to be, and I must admit I don't really see a way for the USA to morally contain those people (they are effectively POWs, but in war that cannot be won, so you can't just hold them until after the war al la WW2 etc., because it may be 30 year before there is no chance they will return to the fight, yet there is likely not enough evidence to convict them legally either. Huge catch 22 which just causes all sorts of problems no matter what). Certainly the Tipton lot from the UK were there in Afghanistan (the had no links to Afghanistan or other reason to be there) to train in the terror camps there, as their admittance to visiting one and refusing to take lie detectors tests about their intent clearly shows (logically if not legally, anyway). But the UK Government will probably end up paying them off anyway. Which is one of the problems when talking about Guantanamo, there were/are massive miscarriages of justice there, issues of human rights and torture, but also quite a lot of genuinely nasty and quite murderous people. The thing I'll never understand is you have supposedly peaceful people quite willing to apologise for the kidnapping and live, filmed beheading of a completely innocent civil engineer, yet many of those same people equally seem to think everyone in Guantanamo is utterly innocent......... when in reality many in there might well have been the people beheading innocents if they'd not been put in there. Somewhere like China wouldn't have had the USA's problem though, they'd just have shot them all immediately, or taken them off somewhere unknown, interrogated them and then shot them. is the correct answer We either respect international law or we don't. I don't really mind if we don't but lets just make it clear to everyone and not hide behind rubbish like 'enemy combatants' etc.(This will make us no better than them). As with all scenarios involving high pressure and life and death situations mistakes are going to happen I'd prefer it if when these issues are highlighted the Govt. take some responsibility as in some scenarios we are dealing with our own citizens. Belmarsh is being investigated by the EU and has already been declared illegal (holding without charge over long periods). Ultimately we will win this war with hearts and minds and to those watching lets show some clear blue water and if we are on the side of righteousness lets act like it, cause in every instance we can show fair play we give 'them' less chance to recruit.

The Birmingham lot got off cause it was clear they were in Pakistan for a wedding as they maintained all along. Not sure if these are the same lads you're on about...?

Sure this is correct, my Irish mate ended up not going to the US as he had an old style passport. Not sure tbh but i remember them changing the rules a couple of years ago and i had just had mine renewed so i was alright. It has to have a barcode swipe thing on or they wont let you on the plane. Wait and see i guess. I wonder if he'll have web access at Gauantanamo.

Yeah it's a strange one this...Pretty much can abduct and 'interrogate' anyone on the planet and keep it secret.

She looks scatty as fuck.

Guantanamo Britons to sue MI5 over ‘illegal interrogation’ The eight men were detained in Afghanistan and Pakistan at various times Fiona Hamilton The three men from Tipton launched a lawsuit against the American authorities two years ago, alleging they were mistreated during their time in captivity. The US Court of Appeal dismissed their action earlier this year but they are appealing to the Supreme Court. Eight men freed from Guantanamo Bay are suing the British Government for millions of pounds, claiming that it was complicit in the process in which they were detained and sent for interrogation at the detention camp. The group have issued writs against MI5 and MI6 and said that the British authorities had knowledge of their illegal abduction, treatment and interrogation. The eight men were detained in Afghanistan and Pakistan at various times. It is understood that they claim that the British authorities were aware that they would be removed to Guantanamo but nonetheless continued to co-operate with the Americans. The Daily Mail last night reported that two separate writs had been lodged by the group, with five Britons and three foreign citizens naming “The Security Services”, “The Secret Intelligence Agency” and “The Attorney-General” as defendants. 'I told FBI about ringleader before 7/7 bombings' No extradition for Guantanamo two The first writ was issued at the High Court in London by lawyers acting for Omar Deghayes, a Libyan, Jamil el-Banna, a Jordanian — both released last December — and Bisher al-Rawi, an Iraqi, released this year. All three men live in Britain but are foreign nationals. The second names five Britons as claimants: Moazzam Begg, released in 2005, Richard Belmar, and the so-called “Tipton Three” — Ruhal Ahmed, Shafiq Rasul and Asif Iqbal. All were released in previous years. The newspaper reported that one of the eight men claimed that the group were put on CIA “torture flights” to the prison camp in Cuba. The Government has faced calls recently to order an independent inquiry into the process, known as “extraordinary rendition”, in which terrorism suspects are sent for interrogation in states where they have no legal protection." Similar legal battle going on in Germany with regard to innocent bloke picked up on holiday can't remember the details.... I didn't think you could sue Mi5 as such..

e-werk will be logging on from Mexico next after his latest attempt to enter the land of freedom is thwarted by a low tech passport.

Aye, it's not like she's ever been involved in a high profile case involving muslims. I honestly can't remember anything concerning CB you'll have to refresh my mind Halex.

You'd be surprised to know I don't actually give a shit what you do Rob. The trolley-dolley thing is a joke though. If that gets to you, all the better. One thing I think you are is someone who can't resist pretending to know stuff about things which you clearly have very little knowledge of (google to the rescue, no doubt). That's not to say you aren't a knowledgeable, well-travelled person which you seem to be, in fairness I shall put that on my tombstone I never thought you did give a monkeys about what I do - 'twas manc mag who started it off In all fairness all those years in prison did enable me to spend more time reading than has been available to the rest of you .............

Cherie is a hard core Catholic and probably too busy with her own voodoo to take notice of the plight of A-rabs.

I think he got a cuppa tea out of it.

More a case of "anti"-racism groups using the usual political and judicial bludgeons to support their own causes than anything else. Fact is if you used that method of slaughter with non-religious justification you'd be in trouble. Speak out against it though and you'll be "stoned". It's like the cyclist>pedestrian>disabled pyramid of "moral" power. Fop momentatily morphs into Christopher Hitchens.

definitely there's very few famous people I wouldnt do just so i could tell my mates down the pub! if i wasnt married of course I can just picture it. "Alright lads, yer knaa that Patrick Moore?... Shagged him." A prolonged period of silence.

She's got a very sexy gravelly voice apparently. I'd phone sex it. I'd be up for that, as long as she didnt come out with any anti-arab shit halfway through. That's unnacceptable. Might spice it up if it was part of a 'performance'.

She's got a very sexy gravelly voice apparently. I'd phone sex it.

Isn't it just they want people to use less health care? By living to be 100? The single biggest issue that is facing healthcare policy makers is the 'greying' of the population i.e. people living longer. You have distinct camps as stakeholders though, the public health do-gooders and those with an eye on the money being spent. Can't we make it like Logans Run?

A Paris prosecutor yesterday called for French film legend Brigitte Bardot to receive a two-month suspended prison sentence and a £12,000 fine for inciting racial hatred in a letter. Brigitte Bardot, now an animal rights activist, has been convicted four times since 1997 on similar charges In December 2006, Miss Bardot, 73, now an animal rights activist, wrote to President Nicolas Sarkozy of France, then the interior minister, criticising the Muslim practice of slaughtering sheep without first stunning them. In the letter published by the magazine Info-Journal and handed out to members of the Brigitte Bardot Foundation, she wrote: "We're fed up with being led by the nose by this population that is destroying us, destroying our country by imposing its acts". Several French anti-racism groups filed for charges of "inciting discrimination and racial hatred" against Muslims. Miss Bardot was not in court, citing "difficulties in getting around", but her lawyer read out a note in which she said she was "appalled" at the "harassment" of anti-racism groups. "I will never keep quiet" until animals are stunned before ritual slaughter, she added, saying she was "tired and weary". "I too am tired and weary", said the prosecutor Anne de Fontette, pointing out that Miss Bardot had been convicted four times since 1997 on similar charges. "She might as well write that Arabs should be thrown out of France", she said. "It is time to hand out heftier sentences". Arabs and France eh.

J K Rowling, whose Harry Potter books have been under scrutiny in a copyright trial in New York, experienced an unexpected setback when the judge hearing the case said that the names of her characters and places sounded like gibberish. In an an exchange with a witness, Judge Robert Patterson Jr admitted that he was not a Harry Potter fan. His only experience of reading one of the books was during a visit by his grandchildren when he read them half of Harry Potterand the Sorceror’s Stone, the first in the series. He found it hard to follow Rowling’s “magical world”, he said, as it was filled with strange names and words that would be gibberish in any other context. “I found it extremely complex,” he said - even more so than the novels of Dickens that his own father read to him as a child. Judge Patterson suggested there was genuine worth in an encyclopaedia like The Harry Potter Lexicon, written by Steven vander Ark, that Rowling is attempting to block by claiming that it breaches her copyright. Jeri Johnson, a dean of English at the University of Oxford’s Exeter College, the witness he was examining, agreed - if the reference guide was done properly. Mr Vander Ark, 50, a librarian from Michigan, is a passionate Potter fan and compiled material from a website that he had been compiling for many years. RDR Books, a small publishers that created The Harry potter Lexicon from the wsebsite, argued in court that it was little different to any other reference guide to an important novel and should be allowed to go to press without any interference." With all that money she's getting a bit silly now.