Guest alex Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 So will ROeder be his usual hypocrite self and back his man even though he tore into players making racist comments. I think so because he is a cock. The point is whether or not the comments were racist. Well IMHO calling someone a Negro out of anger is racist. It is a comment meant to hurt. It's not nigger, though, which has definite negative connotation. It'd be the difference between Pakistani and Paki, I guess. So where is Negro then. I know calling someone a Pakistani is saying where they come from. How does that equate to Negro? Negro essentially means the same as black. It's in no way derogatory. Paki means someone from pakistan so I am assuming you dont think that is racist either? Negro is neither Turkish nor English for black so why use it. It was a stattement based on someones race intended to cause emotional distress. Can you prove that? Besides, calling a Scottish person a Scot isn't racist so how is calling some from Pakistan a Paki? Just an excuse for people to whinge or get sympathy imo. What about calling a Welsh person Taff? Or and Irishman Paddy? I don't these folks getting a stress on about it. The problem is all the lefty do-gooders that jump on the bandwagon to say "Oh you can't say that about this person it'll offend them" when the actual people involved don't give a sh*t. The leftys just wind people up and cause the conflict. Can you prove that? Surely people can see whats going on? What's that then, oh wise one? I'm guessing the players in question (rather than just left do-gooders*) made a complaint about Emre. Or this would have blown over straight away. *It takes a society like ours for 'do-gooder' to become an insult I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13918 Posted February 5, 2007 Author Share Posted February 5, 2007 Totally not what i was talking about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3323 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 So will ROeder be his usual hypocrite self and back his man even though he tore into players making racist comments. I think so because he is a cock. The point is whether or not the comments were racist. Well IMHO calling someone a Negro out of anger is racist. It is a comment meant to hurt. It's not nigger, though, which has definite negative connotation. It'd be the difference between Pakistani and Paki, I guess. So where is Negro then. I know calling someone a Pakistani is saying where they come from. How does that equate to Negro? Negro essentially means the same as black. It's in no way derogatory. Paki means someone from pakistan so I am assuming you dont think that is racist either? Negro is neither Turkish nor English for black so why use it. It was a stattement based on someones race intended to cause emotional distress. Can you prove that? Besides, calling a Scottish person a Scot isn't racist so how is calling some from Pakistan a Paki? Just an excuse for people to whinge or get sympathy imo. What about calling a Welsh person Taff? Or and Irishman Paddy? I don't these folks getting a stress on about it. The problem is all the lefty do-gooders that jump on the bandwagon to say "Oh you can't say that about this person it'll offend them" when the actual people involved don't give a sh*t. The leftys just wind people up and cause the conflict. NAIL / HEAD TBH BRAIN DEAD TBH. People just like to fuss over nothing man, I dont use the language myself but i dont nesseccarily (sp) host a rally through the town center when someone uses the word 'paki' ''I am going to the paki's'' Whats wrong with that? as apposed to ' i am going to the store owned by the pakistani's'' So that's the same as saying "you dirty paki" or "you fucking paki" or "piss off home paki" is it? here's a new word for you to learn. Context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 36184 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Totally not what i was talking about You don't seem to have a clue what you or anybody else is talking about ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walliver 0 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Apart from the word 'negro', do we actually know what Emre said? Last I heard Lescott and Howard had told the FA different things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish Mag 3 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Totally not what i was talking about You don't seem to have a clue what you or anybody else is talking about ffs. Too many spliffs tbh.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13918 Posted February 5, 2007 Author Share Posted February 5, 2007 Totally not what i was talking about You don't seem to have a clue what you or anybody else is talking about ffs. Its cause it keeps changing context People dont actually read they just assume Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 (edited) Totally not what i was talking about What were you talking about then? If it's all just busy-bodies who complain about this sort of thing then how come these players did complain? Also, in the same way, would you say 'paki' in front of an Asian person, seen as by your reckoning they aren't the ones offended by it (which I know for a fact is bollocks). Edited February 5, 2007 by alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 36184 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Apart from the word 'negro', do we actually know what Emre said? Last I heard Lescott and Howard had told the FA different things. No, but Emre's "calling people black and negro is fine in Turkey" defence suggests to me that he's said something he shouldn't have and this is the best they can come up with in defence. Which is pretty weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3323 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Apart from the word 'negro', do we actually know what Emre said? Last I heard Lescott and Howard had told the FA different things. No, but Emre's "calling people black and negro is fine in Turkey" defence suggests to me that he's said something he shouldn't have and this is the best they can come up with in defence. Which is pretty weak. Weaker than a day old kitten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13918 Posted February 5, 2007 Author Share Posted February 5, 2007 Totally not what i was talking about What were you talking about then? If it's all just busy-bodies who complain about this sort of thing then how come these players did complain? Also, in the same way, would you say 'paki' in front of an Asian person, seen as by your reckoning they aren't the ones offended by it (which I know for a fact is bollocks). Thats tottally not what i was saying.... Your just putting words in my mouth or post even Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMoog 0 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Pissy wankflaps, I had a really good response typed out then and the damn thing fouled up! Bah! It's a conspiracy I tell thee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 So will ROeder be his usual hypocrite self and back his man even though he tore into players making racist comments. I think so because he is a cock. The point is whether or not the comments were racist. Well IMHO calling someone a Negro out of anger is racist. It is a comment meant to hurt. It's not nigger, though, which has definite negative connotation. It'd be the difference between Pakistani and Paki, I guess. So where is Negro then. I know calling someone a Pakistani is saying where they come from. How does that equate to Negro? Negro essentially means the same as black. It's in no way derogatory. Paki means someone from pakistan so I am assuming you dont think that is racist either? Negro is neither Turkish nor English for black so why use it. It was a stattement based on someones race intended to cause emotional distress. Can you prove that? Besides, calling a Scottish person a Scot isn't racist so how is calling some from Pakistan a Paki? Just an excuse for people to whinge or get sympathy imo. What about calling a Welsh person Taff? Or an Irishman Paddy? I don't see these folks getting a stress on about it. The problem is all the lefty do-gooders that jump on the bandwagon to say "Oh you can't say that about this person it'll offend them" when the actual people involved don't give a sh*t. The leftys just wind people up and cause the conflict. Is this a serious question? The term 'Paki' has well documented racist undertones and cultural and historical baggage in England going back to the early 80's and the rise of the NF. People love to get this mixed up with word usage in the context of the Scots or the Welsh and that is really either the height of stupidity or mischivious ignorance of cultural 'weighting' of the terms. This has nothing to do with left wing doo-gooders or Guardian readers but a lot more to do with having shit put through your letterbox or your children having to run home from school for fear of 'Paki-bashing'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Totally not what i was talking about What were you talking about then? If it's all just busy-bodies who complain about this sort of thing then how come these players did complain? Also, in the same way, would you say 'paki' in front of an Asian person, seen as by your reckoning they aren't the ones offended by it (which I know for a fact is bollocks). Thats tottally not what i was saying.... Your just putting words in my mouth or post even What were you saying then? Apologies if I've misrepresented you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 36184 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Totally not what i was talking about What were you talking about then? If it's all just busy-bodies who complain about this sort of thing then how come these players did complain? Also, in the same way, would you say 'paki' in front of an Asian person, seen as by your reckoning they aren't the ones offended by it (which I know for a fact is bollocks). Thats tottally not what i was saying.... Your just putting words in my mouth or post even It's EXACTLY what you were fucking saying. Either that or you can't write down what you mean in words that anyone other than you can understand! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Steve_Howey 0 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 A Welshman calling an Englishman a fucking English prick An Englishman calling a Pakistani a fucking Paki prick A Turk calling an African a fucking black prick Eiither all of these are racist insults, or none of them are. They are not however, just 'factual and descriptive' insults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13918 Posted February 5, 2007 Author Share Posted February 5, 2007 (edited) Totally not what i was talking about What were you talking about then? If it's all just busy-bodies who complain about this sort of thing then how come these players did complain? Also, in the same way, would you say 'paki' in front of an Asian person, seen as by your reckoning they aren't the ones offended by it (which I know for a fact is bollocks). Thats tottally not what i was saying.... Your just putting words in my mouth or post even It's EXACTLY what you were fucking saying. Either that or you can't write down what you mean in words that anyone other than you can understand! Is it fuck. Ok here goes... Saying Paki in front of an asian is sound in my book saying nigger to a black man is fine in a derogatory manner There you fucking go, want a daily mail with that? Edited February 5, 2007 by T-Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_Steve_Howey 0 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 So will ROeder be his usual hypocrite self and back his man even though he tore into players making racist comments. I think so because he is a cock. The point is whether or not the comments were racist. Well IMHO calling someone a Negro out of anger is racist. It is a comment meant to hurt. It's not nigger, though, which has definite negative connotation. It'd be the difference between Pakistani and Paki, I guess. So where is Negro then. I know calling someone a Pakistani is saying where they come from. How does that equate to Negro? Negro essentially means the same as black. It's in no way derogatory. Paki means someone from pakistan so I am assuming you dont think that is racist either? Negro is neither Turkish nor English for black so why use it. It was a stattement based on someones race intended to cause emotional distress. Can you prove that? Besides, calling a Scottish person a Scot isn't racist so how is calling some from Pakistan a Paki? Just an excuse for people to whinge or get sympathy imo. What about calling a Welsh person Taff? Or and Irishman Paddy? I don't these folks getting a stress on about it. The problem is all the lefty do-gooders that jump on the bandwagon to say "Oh you can't say that about this person it'll offend them" when the actual people involved don't give a sh*t. The leftys just wind people up and cause the conflict. NAIL / HEAD TBH BRAIN DEAD TBH. People just like to fuss over nothing man, I dont use the language myself but i dont nesseccarily (sp) host a rally through the town center when someone uses the word 'paki' ''I am going to the paki's'' Whats wrong with that? as apposed to ' i am going to the store owned by the pakistani's'' If you were standing in said store, and someone asked you where is XXX? Would you say 'no idea, ask the Paki' infront of the store owner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Carr's Gloves 3323 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 Totally not what i was talking about What were you talking about then? If it's all just busy-bodies who complain about this sort of thing then how come these players did complain? Also, in the same way, would you say 'paki' in front of an Asian person, seen as by your reckoning they aren't the ones offended by it (which I know for a fact is bollocks). Thats tottally not what i was saying.... Your just putting words in my mouth or post even It's EXACTLY what you were fucking saying. Either that or you can't write down what you mean in words that anyone other than you can understand! Is it fuck. Ok here goes... Saying Paki in front of an asian is soun in my book saying nigger to a black man is fine in a derogatory manner There you fucking go, want a daily mail with that? So you are saying it's ok to say Paki in an abusive way to an asian. That they will be ok with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13918 Posted February 5, 2007 Author Share Posted February 5, 2007 Totally not what i was talking about What were you talking about then? If it's all just busy-bodies who complain about this sort of thing then how come these players did complain? Also, in the same way, would you say 'paki' in front of an Asian person, seen as by your reckoning they aren't the ones offended by it (which I know for a fact is bollocks). Thats tottally not what i was saying.... Your just putting words in my mouth or post even It's EXACTLY what you were fucking saying. Either that or you can't write down what you mean in words that anyone other than you can understand! Is it fuck. Ok here goes... Saying Paki in front of an asian is soun in my book saying nigger to a black man is fine in a derogatory manner There you fucking go, want a daily mail with that? So you are saying it's ok to say Paki in an abusive way to an asian. That they will be ok with that? I didnt say that at all you did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 A Welshman calling an Englishman a fucking English prick An Englishman calling a Pakistani a fucking Paki prick A Turk calling an African a fucking black prick Eiither all of these are racist insults, or none of them are. They are not however, just 'factual and descriptive' insults. Of course 'the english' have historically been weighed down by racism. Jesus Christos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13918 Posted February 5, 2007 Author Share Posted February 5, 2007 2 + 2 = 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen 0 Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 It's aaaaaaaaaaaal bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 13918 Posted February 5, 2007 Author Share Posted February 5, 2007 A Welshman calling an Englishman a fucking English prick An Englishman calling a Pakistani a fucking Paki prick A Turk calling an African a fucking black prick Eiither all of these are racist insults, or none of them are. They are not however, just 'factual and descriptive' insults. Of course 'the english' have historically been weighed down by racism. Jesus Christos. See all about context really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted February 5, 2007 Share Posted February 5, 2007 So what the fuck were you saying then T-Keith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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