New Manager Poll

[Tom 13861]

Ah,

 

Ye` Olde` new manager thread...

[Tom 13861]

Freddies gonna be proper watching this pol like

[vimalraja 0]

Hitzfeld

Sven

Big Sam

Klinnsman

[Craig 6307]

Hitzfeld

Sven

Big Sam

Klinnsman

 

Perhaps someone should make a website?

[Isegrim 8871]

Hitzfeld

Sven

Big Sam

Klinnsman

 

Perhaps someone should make a website?

Maybe in a consorted action with Bayernfans? www.sackhitzfeld.de + www.hitzfeldforthetoon.com

[Craig 6307]

Hitzfeld

Sven

Big Sam

Klinnsman

 

Perhaps someone should make a website?

Maybe in a consorted action with Bayernfans? www.sackhitzfeld.de + www.hitzfeldforthetoon.com

 

Do we know any local reporters out in Hitzfeld's homeland?

[Isegrim 8871]

I'd take one of Allardyce/Houllier.. possibly Klinsmann?

 

Klinsmann could definitely be interesting, whether he'd come here is a different issue though (tbh bigger and better would risk him I think).

I think he would be interested. He started a job with German TV two weeks ago but said he would be open to club offers and national teams and would look at options available to him in the summer. He has a very deep affection for English league football and it looks likely that he would jump at an oportunity to manage a club, especially a big one (with the Spurs job currently out of reach for him).

 

Of course Jimbo is right and he hasn't any club record at all. He would be a big risk, but imho could prove to be a very inspirational appointment - very much like the one of Keegan back then. As I said last week, Klinsmann did an incredible job in totally revamping the German national team. He did it in a very confrontational way, but in the end got the backing from the top of the German FA (which could be a bit of a problem at Newcastle). But he really changed the whole set up of the national team: training methods where he brought over American specialists, team style, coaching, psychologists etc. (well even the colour of the away shirt). Klinsmann has his limits though and very much would depend on him getting the right assistant,

[Craig 6307]

When you say the right assistant, are you talking about experience?

[Isegrim 8871]

When you say the right assistant, are you talking about experience?

Yes or more about the right "qualifications". For Germany he knew that he needed someone to help him out with tactics and training. After getting rejected by Rangnick, he ended up with Löw who had a track record for playing attacking football and a decent club record. It's probably not as easy to attract someone to become assistant at club level, but if you go for Klinsmann a lot will depend on the staff he is able to hire. But I'd have more confidence in Klinsmann doing it than a lot others. He won't simply go for a couple of retarded nice old boys...

[Fop 1]

I'd take one of Allardyce/Houllier.. possibly Klinsmann?

 

Klinsmann could definitely be interesting, whether he'd come here is a different issue though (tbh bigger and better would risk him I think).

 

 

And Klinsmann's track record in club management is ????

 

None existent isn't it?

 

However given his WC performance there'll likely be clubs bigger and better than us willing to give him a shot (in fact I'm pretty sure he turned DOWN so big offers initially after the WC as he didn't want to stay in management at that time, now of course he's changed his mind and has said he is looking for the right job).

 

He's probably the sort of manager worth taking a risk on, but as I said I very much doubt we could attract him.

[Fop 1]

'We've managed to attract Sam Allardyce'

 

That statement actually makes me feel sick. 12 months ago no-one wanted him

 

Alot of people wanted him.

 

It wasn't a lot, and it certainly wasn't the number who do now

 

That's how low we've gone though. A few years ago people wouldn't have been praising Sibierski. It's only because we're so shite now that he's looked any good*

 

 

*same could be said about any of our players by the way

 

 

If we do appoint Allerdyce, whilst I hope he would succeed, I can't help but think we may be having Roeder-esq fan based hate and a similar situation to now in the not too distant future.

 

Of course the good thing about such pessimism is that if I'm wrong (and he does do well), then I'm happy anyway.

[Craig 6307]

When you say the right assistant, are you talking about experience?

Yes or more about the right "qualifications". For Germany he knew that he needed someone to help him out with tactics and training. After getting rejected by Rangnick, he ended up with Löw who had a track record for playing attacking football and a decent club record. It's probably not as easy to attract someone to become assistant at club level, but if you go for Klinsmann a lot will depend on the staff he is able to hire. But I'd have more confidence in Klinsmann doing it than a lot others. He won't simply go for a couple of retarded nice old boys...

 

So matching him up with Shearer's not likely to happen then?

[Fop 1]

I'd take one of Allardyce/Houllier.. possibly Klinsmann?

 

Klinsmann could definitely be interesting, whether he'd come here is a different issue though (tbh bigger and better would risk him I think).

I think he would be interested. He started a job with German TV two weeks ago but said he would be open to club offers and national teams and would look at options available to him in the summer. He has a very deep affection for English league football and it looks likely that he would jump at an oportunity to manage a club, especially a big one (with the Spurs job currently out of reach for him).

 

Of course Jimbo is right and he hasn't any club record at all. He would be a big risk, but imho could prove to be a very inspirational appointment - very much like the one of Keegan back then. As I said last week, Klinsmann did an incredible job in totally revamping the German national team. He did it in a very confrontational way, but in the end got the backing from the top of the German FA (which could be a bit of a problem at Newcastle). But he really changed the whole set up of the national team: training methods where he brought over American specialists, team style, coaching, psychologists etc. (well even the colour of the away shirt). Klinsmann has his limits though and very much would depend on him getting the right assistant,

 

 

Yep Klinsmann has the potential to pull off something special (al la Keegan), of course equally he probably has the potential to cause a complete disaster (al la Gullit) IMO.

 

However given the right support (and I don't just mean transfer kitty) he is probably worth the gamble (that's if we are aiming to give the current top 4 at least a run for their money any time soon).

 

But as I said I just don't see us being the offer he's waiting for (although again it's another situation where it's probably nice to be wrong ).

[Isegrim 8871]

But as I said I just don't see us being the offer he's waiting for (although again it's another situation where it's probably nice to be wrong ).

Hmm, I hardly can think of many other offers who might tempt him more. He is a passionate follower of English football and would be likely to rather accept an attractive offer from the Premierleague than elsewhere. So, how many big clubs are there open to him? Well, the Chelsea job might be on the cards now. He denied the rumours recently. On one hand a return to London would make sense, on the other hand it is not clear how loyal he would be to Tottenham. But other than that, there wouldn't be any offer as attractive to him than Newcastle. A big (underachieving) club. Add to it the "entertainers" tag stuck to the club. I guess Klinsmann is aware of it and it would match his own football philosophy.

 

But this is going to be idle talk anyway. As long as Allardyce isn't going to reject us I can't see the job going to anyone else...

[Fop 1]

But as I said I just don't see us being the offer he's waiting for (although again it's another situation where it's probably nice to be wrong ).

Hmm, I hardly can think of many other offers who might tempt him more. He is a passionate follower of English football and would be likely to rather accept an attractive offer from the Premierleague than elsewhere. So, how many big clubs are there open to him? Well, the Chelsea job might be on the cards now. He denied the rumours recently. On one hand a return to London would make sense, on the other hand it is not clear how loyal he would be to Tottenham. But other than that, there wouldn't be any offer as attractive to him than Newcastle. A big (underachieving) club. Add to it the "entertainers" tag stuck to the club. I guess Klinsmann is aware of it and it would match his own football philosophy.

 

Well it depends how much he'd want the Premiership, a few european clubs made advances towards him (and at the time he turned it down because he didn't want to be in management not just wanted to be in the Premiership, but things may have changed now I guess).

 

But this is going to be idle talk anyway. As long as Allardyce isn't going to reject us I can't see the job going to anyone else...

 

Most likely.

 

Of course with FFS you're never quite sure one way or another.

[@yourservice 67]

Juande Ramos

[IrishMag 0]

Juande Ramos

 

 

YES!

[hostile_statue 0]

Juande Ramos

 

 

YES!

 

Yep, that's our man. But it will never happen as long as FF is pulling the strings.

Edited May 7, 2007 by hostile_statue

[Happy Face 29]

I think everyone agrees Erikson has a fine club team record. People are bitter against him because of the job he did with England. Lifting directly from Wikipedia, I can't see why they think he's so shit.....

 

 

* 67 matches spanning over 5 years with only 4 competitive losses (3 inside 90 mins). This record is only beaten by Sir Alf Ramsey and Glenn Hoddle, excluding Caretaker managers.

* He never lost a competitive match by more than 1 goal.

* He is the only England manager in post for 3 or more major tournaments not to fail to qualify for any (each time qualifying without the need for playoffs). Of course, both the European Championships and World Cup now admit twice as many teams as they once did, making the job of qualifying approximately half as difficult for European countries.

* He took England to their first European Championship quarter-finals on foreign soil since 1972 - their third ever.

* The 5-1 defeat of Germany on September 1, 2001, will probably rank as Sven's most significant single game in charge, as well as his point of highest popularity. It remains Germany's largest competitive home defeat and the best England result against probably their biggest rival. England had never previously beaten Germany in a competitive match in Germany and had not beaten them at all in the World Cup competition since 1966. Following the defeat, the host of popular sports comedy quiz They Think It's All Over unveiled an icon-style picture of Sven, comically depicting him as a saint-like figure.

* England were ranked as a top ten team by FIFA for the vast majority of Sven's time as manager, and they improved to 5th after the 2006 World Cup. Between 1975 and 2000 they were rarely in the top ten and often fell below 20.

* England earned the second seed of the 2006 World Cup, ahead of all other European teams and only behind top-ranked Brazil.

* Reaching the quarter-finals, which England did in all of Sven's tournaments was an improvement on both of England's preceding two tournaments (World Cup 1998 and Euro 2000), when England were knocked out before the quarter-finals.

 

Very few of us wanted Allardyce when the Toon job was available the last couple of times, and he can't even beat McClaren to a job.

 

Sadly though, I think Allardyce would come and sven wouldn't.

[bawan 0]

Here's a shocking idea, how about we go find a classy up and coming unknown manager.

 

Oh wait, that wouldn't work, let's narrow our options down to an unemployed gigolo or a man who didn't have the balls to take Bolton to the next level

 

Eh?

 

Well he's walked hasn't he?

 

 

before he took over at bolton they were known as a relegation scrambler team and now look what hes done with them now got them into europe and just because the man is looking for a new challange doesnt necessarily mean "hes walked out". if we dont get the right man for the job this time we are going to be known as the next leeds united.

 

So he has no appetite to take a club he knows inside out to the next level, yet somehow he would want to come in and change NUFC from top to bottom? It's taken him 15 years to realise he needs a new challenge? Coincidentally when the club reaches its highest level. That is not the mark of a man who likes challenges in life. He's the new Curbishley.

 

And this is nothing like Leeds

 

i would be happy if we get into europe again even if sam walks out as long as he gets us in the CL because after sir bobby no one has been abel to do any good with this club

[Super_Steve_Howey 0]

Here's a shocking idea, how about we go find a classy up and coming unknown manager.

 

Oh wait, that wouldn't work, let's narrow our options down to an unemployed gigolo or a man who didn't have the balls to take Bolton to the next level

 

Eh?

 

Well he's walked hasn't he?

 

 

before he took over at bolton they were known as a relegation scrambler team and now look what hes done with them now got them into europe and just because the man is looking for a new challange doesnt necessarily mean "hes walked out". if we dont get the right man for the job this time we are going to be known as the next leeds united.

 

So he has no appetite to take a club he knows inside out to the next level, yet somehow he would want to come in and change NUFC from top to bottom? It's taken him 15 years to realise he needs a new challenge? Coincidentally when the club reaches its highest level. That is not the mark of a man who likes challenges in life. He's the new Curbishley.

 

And this is nothing like Leeds

 

i would be happy if we get into europe again even if sam walks out as long as he gets us in the CL because after sir bobby no one has been abel to do any good with this club

 

That's it? Just keep changing managers to reach Europe? No requirement for stability, planning, direction, philosophy, player development, squad building? We were in Europe just last year, it means nothing if the club is a shambles from top to bottom, with a self preserving fat wanker at the helm

 

 

edt: If anything it is LEEDS who did anything to 'live the dream' and play champions league football

Edited May 7, 2007 by Super_Steve_Howey

[Barney 0]

I'd love to think the chairman could find the next Wenger, but I seriously doubt it. Is Juande Ramos the Seville manager? They play inncredible football, but I doubt he'd leave title contenders for Newcastle.

 

I think that Klinnsman is the most exciting prospect, as I'm still not sold on Allardyce. Sam would most likely, and correctly, want to overhaul the club from top to bottom, but I don't know ifFreddy would let him have free reign. The style of football that Bolton play is hard to watch though, but I'd take a cup here at the expense of "sexy football". It's been a long while since we saw anything remotely like attractive footy at SJP.

 

Sven would no doubt be on huge money, but he knows English football incredibly well and I think Micky O really rates him(if that counts for anything). I'm aware that he won the league with Lazio, but I thought that he spent a fortune there to do so.

 

All in all, as I said, I'd love to see Shepherd go down the less obvious route and already have a shortlist of talented managers, worldwide. Unlikely though.

[Shearergol 0]

Juande Ramos

 

 

YES!

 

Why on earth would he come to us?

[Jimbo 133]

Juande Ramos

 

 

YES!

 

Why on earth would he come to us?

 

 

" To be fair, we've never heard of the man "

[Fop 1]

Here's a shocking idea, how about we go find a classy up and coming unknown manager.

 

Oh wait, that wouldn't work, let's narrow our options down to an unemployed gigolo or a man who didn't have the balls to take Bolton to the next level

 

Eh?

 

Well he's walked hasn't he?

 

 

before he took over at bolton they were known as a relegation scrambler team and now look what hes done with them now got them into europe and just because the man is looking for a new challange doesnt necessarily mean "hes walked out". if we dont get the right man for the job this time we are going to be known as the next leeds united.

 

So he has no appetite to take a club he knows inside out to the next level, yet somehow he would want to come in and change NUFC from top to bottom? It's taken him 15 years to realise he needs a new challenge? Coincidentally when the club reaches its highest level. That is not the mark of a man who likes challenges in life. He's the new Curbishley.

 

And this is nothing like Leeds

 

i would be happy if we get into europe again even if sam walks out as long as he gets us in the CL because after sir bobby no one has been abel to do any good with this club

 

That's it? Just keep changing managers to reach Europe? No requirement for stability, planning, direction, philosophy, player development, squad building? We were in Europe just last year, it means nothing if the club is a shambles from top to bottom, with a self preserving fat wanker at the helm

 

 

edt: If anything it is LEEDS who did anything to 'live the dream' and play champions league football

 

Aye if anyone thinks we'll be shoo ins for europe next season with Allerdyce may be in for a rude awakening.

 

I'd hope we'll get there, but it could take more than a season to do so.

 

As for CL qualification, whilst that should be what we are aiming at, actually getting there probably requires several years of on and off field rebuilding and massive investment (which seems unlikely under FFS).