New Tottenham Hotspur Stadium

[Tom 13872]

Have the police been looking for 18 Spurs fans recently or was it Newcastle fans?

 

You know about the homophobic and racist abuse?

 

 

They all look like nice, educated North London folk,no?

 

Jellied eel anyone?

[North London Is Falling Apart 0]

Lots of strange, as well as uneducated and simply incorrect statements on this thread. I'll try to pick out and address those that are the most wide of the mark. Those that don't like long posts or hearing some facts that disagree with some of the opinions on here look away now

 

They wont fill it.

 

A League Cup win and some heavy spending has got them excited.

 

When it comes to a few seasons of shite in a row, no champions league football, back to normality with no european football they will be plenty of empty seats.

Have a look at our attendances compared to capacity over the last several years. You'll see that we have been practically 100% full in ever one and that is despite having the joint second highest prices in the country (and the highest for some of them before Arsenal moved). As far a few seasons of shite in a row and no Champions League football.... I would say we're the masters at that since the Premiership began with our constant midtable finishes (other than two 5th place finishes under Martin Jol - which is hardly a crack at the title now is it?) also seeing as we've never played Champions League football unfortunately it's not really something that we miss. Normality for Tottenham is a full stadium. I know you lot don't like that fact, but that's what it is - a fact.

 

21k waiting list lol

It's 22,000 actually. And fans actually have to pay for a different type of membership to be on this waiting list so a good number of those fans actually do really want a season ticket.

 

You probably do have a waiting list as your stadium is small but to come up with such a ludicrous number as that is frankly embarrassing

See above.

 

They had 13,000 on a waiting list last season, that was down to about 9,000 at the start of the season. These 9,000 have first option on match day seats, so that's 31,000 including their 22,000 season ticket holders, 2-3,000 away fans, leaving at least 2,000 general sale tickets.

18,000 on the waiting list last season actually - also 70,000 paying members. You really are rather poorly researched.

 

Back to the point of the thread, i've just noticed the words "Naming Rights" emblazoned across the front of the stadium. Unless they're going down the Mackem route of giving their stadium a bizarre title then that obviously means they're going to bend over and get fucked in the arse for a couple of extra pennies from Sudafed/Waitrose/Preperation H.

 

I'd be hugely fucked off it Fat Ash or anyone for that matter tried to sell the naming rights to SJPs

Unfortunately it's part and parcel of paying for a new stadium these days. I wouldn't worry about it happening at SJP as the commercial value in naming an existing stadium is nothing like that of naming a new stadium. Names tend to stick so SJP will always be SJP just as WHL will always be WHL. But Arsenal's new stadium will probably now always be known as the Emirates - even when that deal runs out after the 15 years.

 

They say with a degree of certainty they have the biggest fanbase outside the top four. I'd be astonished if it was anywhere near half of ours in Britain. I don't know one Tottenham fan who isn't from London, they'll level the same thing at us, but look at this board or Newcastle Online, maybe 20% of the people are actually from the toon, half of this board are foreign cunts. We have a fanbase far beyond the North East, which is why we take 6,000 to Wigan on Boxing Day without the blinking of an eye lid, or 6,000 to Fulham any time. They say they have the biggest fanbase outside the top four, that's admittance Chelsea have more fans than them, Chelsea don't have more proper fans than us, and the Chelsea I know wouldn't even contest that.

This fact was established by research from a company that specialises in this sort of thing - sorry can't remember their name right now - I'll try to find out and get back to you on it, but it is the standard company that do this sort of thing for all of the clubs (and the people who's statistics are used when sponsorship deals etc are being negotiated). Of course there will be more Newcastle fans in London compared to Spurs fans in Newcastle - but that is simply because of the nature of the City of London where the population is made up of people from all over the country (including lots of Geordies) Newcastle is much more of an insular City where very few from the South East settle. If you go to a Spurs game up in other areas of the North though (say) Leeds or Sheffield or Liverpool then there are plenty of Spurs fans there with Northern accents. The statistics from the same company showed that Chelsea overtook Spurs for number of fans in the last two years.... I guess here you have to factor in the success factor meaning that a lot of kids from all over the country will just decide to support whichever team wins the league. The company who do all of the stats break it down further into those that show a passing interest, those that actually watch games, those that go to games at the stadium etc.

 

As I said if this new ground is 42,000, there will be empty seats.

If the new ground was 42,000 then there would be no empty seats for league games (other than perhaps tickets not sold in the away team allocation or the odd Season Ticket holder who doesn't show up). The new ground will be between 55,000 and 60,000 seats depending on what they can fit into the relatively small space in which the stadium has to be built. What on earth would be the point in spending big money to build a new ground with only another 6,000 seats?

 

excuse me if i dont believe it and believe its utter bollocks. Arsenal are the traditional big club in London and have proved that with their attendances since they have moved, Even though the initial price of tickets were astronomical. You're way of Arsenals support IMO.

Those that are on the season ticket waiting list have to PAY for the privilege of being on it. That is how the club have their figure of 22,000 (this is aside from the other 70,000 members who pay for membership but not the extra to be on the ST waiting list). Arsenal do indeed have huge support. Pre Wenger Spurs and Arsenal had a very similar level of support - with Spurs actually being the better supported club around the country - but Arsenal's support has really swelled since Wenger came in and brought them all the success, while Spurs' has remained reasonably static. When Arsenal moved from their similarly sized (38,000) stadium to The Emirates however they had a quoted number of 30,000 people on their season ticket waiting list (although these people didn't have to pay to be on that list).

 

Arsenal are the ONLY big club in London, the same as we're the only big club in the North East.

Face facts there are no big clubs in the North East. There a few in the North West, a few in London and perhaps one in the Midlands. Newcastle have a 52,000 capacity stadium (that you don't fill now it's been a few years since you had a little purple patch and made the Champions League) but many clubs are now looking at capacities in advance of this. In terms of trophies won even West Ham have a better record than Newcastle (unless we're going back pre-war). Have any of you lot even seen Newcastle win a trophy? How can a club be considered big with a trophy cabinet that was last touched practically back in Victorian times?

 

This is is what I don't get. Their support don't really care about football. They're not fanatical about football. Anyone who knows anything about the game knows we had a great history for a long time. An awful lot more??? I don't recognise the League Cup as a major trophy, so by my reckoning we have 11 trophies to their 13, but that's offset by the fact they've only been champions of this country TWO times in their history. Yes TWO. Fucking Sunderland have treble their titles yet still they get mouthy

So by your analogy Sunderland are a far bigger club than you? That's quite interesting to hear from a Newcastle fan. Also your four League titles were so long ago that they really are ancient history (even more so than ours) and were won back in the day when getting into the football league was via election and there was a huge Northern Club bias in terms of who was allowed to be in there. Spurs have won at least one trophy every decade since the fifties (and more than one in most of those decades) In that same time you've won what? One trophy? (or is it two? - apologies I haven't looked it up) and wasn't that last trophy won the 'Fairs Cup' that was an invite only competition for football clubs from Cities that held trade fairs?

 

had 3 UEFA Cup Quarter Finals in 10 years, UEFA Cup Semi Finals (when it wasn't the mickey mouse competition for mickey mouse clubs it is today)

UEFA Cup Quarter Finals? Haha - have you got that on your honours board? And UEFA Cup Semi Finals when it wasn't the mickey mouse competition?....... Erm suggest you have a look at our history matey seeing as we won it twice when it was that sort of competition and lost in the final on another occasion - not that I'd normally bring that up as any sort of "success" but when you're talking about getting into Semi finals it's getting stupid.

 

We're an older club and played in the league a lot longer and the first ten averages were under 5,000 obviously dragging the all time average down.

I think you'll find that THFC are actually 10 years older than Newcastle FC but why let facts get in the way of your argument.

 

Newcastle fans in their hearts can say they've competed for league titles more than twice in the last 12 years, they can say they've qualified for the Champions League, we might never get back there again, but I don't think a club like Tottenham could get there and sustain it.

Why? THFC already turns over more money than Newcastle and that's with a stadium that has only two thirds the capacity. With a larger stadium and the increase in finances that this would bring why could Spurs not get there and sustain it? Any one of around ten clubs could do so with the right infrastructure, manager and club set up - yourselves included.

 

To try to get back to the whole new stadium thing. Let's assume that the capacity at the new stadium is set at 57,500 (bang in the middle of the range specified by the architects). Will we fill it week in week out? No, I very much doubt it - especially at the current pricing levels, in the existing financial climate and with the team marooned in the middle to bottom half of the table. But will we see an increase in average attendances overall? Yes I think that is pretty much guaranteed seeing as we average 99.8% of capacity at our current home and tickets for all but the really low interest games are hard to come by. My guess is that in a 57,500 capacity stadium, we would probably have an average league attendance of about 53,000 with about 46,000 - 48,000 being necessary to service the interest and repayments on the loan required to build it. Does that mean that we should downsize and build a 53,000 capacity stadium? Of course it doesn't. The new stadium is to be used for many, many years not just those in the immediate future.

Edited December 17, 2008 by North London Is Wonderful

[Craig 6307]

One of the Chelsea fans at work saw the pics of their new ground today... smiled and just said "what can you expect from the 5th biggest club in London?"

 

Just noticed one of them getting very irate about the fact we have the swastika as a flag option on here. Evidently thinks it's a dig at them as opposed to what it's really intended for - a piss-take of ourselves (the admin/mods) and our hitleresque ways of running the place..

[Ketsbaia 0]

Are you related to HTT in any way?

[Tom 13872]

Face facts there are no big clubs in the North East. There a few in the North West, a few in London and perhaps one in the Midlands. Newcastle have a 52,000 capacity stadium (that you don't fill now it's been a few years since you had a little purple patch and made the Champions League)

 

This is only season we haven't been getting regular 52'000 attendances.

 

I'll let you guess why (bear in mind we have been utter shite since Robson left)

[Craig 6307]

....drivel.....

 

If you're going to post here, make it concise. We want no more of the HTT style of boredom thank you...

[paddy 9]

gotta love Stevies posts on here, come here marra for a man hug!

[Craig 6307]

BTW, which one of you useless bastards approved the registrations of some of these??

 

You've won f......

 

North London is.....

 

I bet it was you, wasn't it Tom?

[Tom 13872]

It wasn't me.

 

I have just declined two

[Craig 6307]

We're an older club and played in the league a lot longer and the first ten averages were under 5,000 obviously dragging the all time average down.

I think you'll find that THFC are actually 10 years older than Newcastle FC but why let facts get in the way of your argument.

 

Wrong!

 

10 years older than Newcastle United maybe but borrowing your own argument, your research is poor. Newcastle United was the name that was adopted when Newcastle West End (who played at SJP) folded and amalgamated with Newcastle East End who moved their succesful outfit to SJP. Both these clubs were founded in 1882 so neither THFC nor NUFC is older.

 

[Tom 13872]

Fucking Hell, over on Glory Glory calling us jealous

 

I honestly, from the depths of my heart, pity them.

 

 

Historic ground you can fill >>>>>>>> Emirates 'Mini' with empty seats.

 

They were all basically slagging off the Emirates and tearing it to pieces and now they have a miniature clone! How Spurs.

 

They should also take note that before Fat Freddie left our ground was going to become 60'000.

[Ketsbaia 0]

Jealous? We're both shite at the minute.

[Tom 13872]

Except for Tottenham - apart from a couple of League cups nobody cares about - they have been shite for the past 18 years

 

Oh and an F.A Cup against a faltering Cloughie

[Happy Face 29]

wide of the mark

 

 

That's Anal for 'spot on' round these parts mate.

[Guest Stevie]

Have the police been looking for 18 Spurs fans recently or was it Newcastle fans?

 

You know about the homophobic and racist abuse?

 

 

They all look like nice, educated North London folk,no?

 

Jellied eel anyone?

I'm not just saying this but every single one of them looks like a cunt

[Ayatollah Hermione 12767]

Never dull with that lot.

[Guest Stevie]

Lots of strange, as well as uneducated and simply incorrect statements on this thread. I'll try to pick out and address those that are the most wide of the mark. Those that don't like long posts or hearing some facts that disagree with some of the opinions on here look away now

 

They wont fill it.

 

A League Cup win and some heavy spending has got them excited.

 

When it comes to a few seasons of shite in a row, no champions league football, back to normality with no european football they will be plenty of empty seats.

Have a look at our attendances compared to capacity over the last several years. You'll see that we have been practically 100% full in ever one and that is despite having the joint second highest prices in the country (and the highest for some of them before Arsenal moved). As far a few seasons of shite in a row and no Champions League football.... I would say we're the masters at that since the Premiership began with our constant midtable finishes (other than two 5th place finishes under Martin Jol - which is hardly a crack at the title now is it?) also seeing as we've never played Champions League football unfortunately it's not really something that we miss. Normality for Tottenham is a full stadium. I know you lot don't like that fact, but that's what it is - a fact.

 

21k waiting list lol

It's 22,000 actually. And fans actually have to pay for a different type of membership to be on this waiting list so a good number of those fans actually do really want a season ticket.

 

You probably do have a waiting list as your stadium is small but to come up with such a ludicrous number as that is frankly embarrassing

See above.

 

They had 13,000 on a waiting list last season, that was down to about 9,000 at the start of the season. These 9,000 have first option on match day seats, so that's 31,000 including their 22,000 season ticket holders, 2-3,000 away fans, leaving at least 2,000 general sale tickets.

18,000 on the waiting list last season actually - also 70,000 paying members. You really are rather poorly researched.

 

Back to the point of the thread, i've just noticed the words "Naming Rights" emblazoned across the front of the stadium. Unless they're going down the Mackem route of giving their stadium a bizarre title then that obviously means they're going to bend over and get fucked in the arse for a couple of extra pennies from Sudafed/Waitrose/Preperation H.

 

I'd be hugely fucked off it Fat Ash or anyone for that matter tried to sell the naming rights to SJPs

Unfortunately it's part and parcel of paying for a new stadium these days. I wouldn't worry about it happening at SJP as the commercial value in naming an existing stadium is nothing like that of naming a new stadium. Names tend to stick so SJP will always be SJP just as WHL will always be WHL. But Arsenal's new stadium will probably now always be known as the Emirates - even when that deal runs out after the 15 years.

 

They say with a degree of certainty they have the biggest fanbase outside the top four. I'd be astonished if it was anywhere near half of ours in Britain. I don't know one Tottenham fan who isn't from London, they'll level the same thing at us, but look at this board or Newcastle Online, maybe 20% of the people are actually from the toon, half of this board are foreign cunts. We have a fanbase far beyond the North East, which is why we take 6,000 to Wigan on Boxing Day without the blinking of an eye lid, or 6,000 to Fulham any time. They say they have the biggest fanbase outside the top four, that's admittance Chelsea have more fans than them, Chelsea don't have more proper fans than us, and the Chelsea I know wouldn't even contest that.

This fact was established by research from a company that specialises in this sort of thing - sorry can't remember their name right now - I'll try to find out and get back to you on it, but it is the standard company that do this sort of thing for all of the clubs (and the people who's statistics are used when sponsorship deals etc are being negotiated). Of course there will be more Newcastle fans in London compared to Spurs fans in Newcastle - but that is simply because of the nature of the City of London where the population is made up of people from all over the country (including lots of Geordies) Newcastle is much more of an insular City where very few from the South East settle. If you go to a Spurs game up in other areas of the North though (say) Leeds or Sheffield or Liverpool then there are plenty of Spurs fans there with Northern accents. The statistics from the same company showed that Chelsea overtook Spurs for number of fans in the last two years.... I guess here you have to factor in the success factor meaning that a lot of kids from all over the country will just decide to support whichever team wins the league. The company who do all of the stats break it down further into those that show a passing interest, those that actually watch games, those that go to games at the stadium etc.

 

As I said if this new ground is 42,000, there will be empty seats.

If the new ground was 42,000 then there would be no empty seats for league games (other than perhaps tickets not sold in the away team allocation or the odd Season Ticket holder who doesn't show up). The new ground will be between 55,000 and 60,000 seats depending on what they can fit into the relatively small space in which the stadium has to be built. What on earth would be the point in spending big money to build a new ground with only another 6,000 seats?

 

excuse me if i dont believe it and believe its utter bollocks. Arsenal are the traditional big club in London and have proved that with their attendances since they have moved, Even though the initial price of tickets were astronomical. You're way of Arsenals support IMO.

Those that are on the season ticket waiting list have to PAY for the privilege of being on it. That is how the club have their figure of 22,000 (this is aside from the other 70,000 members who pay for membership but not the extra to be on the ST waiting list). Arsenal do indeed have huge support. Pre Wenger Spurs and Arsenal had a very similar level of support - with Spurs actually being the better supported club around the country - but Arsenal's support has really swelled since Wenger came in and brought them all the success, while Spurs' has remained reasonably static. When Arsenal moved from their similarly sized (38,000) stadium to The Emirates however they had a quoted number of 30,000 people on their season ticket waiting list (although these people didn't have to pay to be on that list).

 

Arsenal are the ONLY big club in London, the same as we're the only big club in the North East.

Face facts there are no big clubs in the North East. There a few in the North West, a few in London and perhaps one in the Midlands. Newcastle have a 52,000 capacity stadium (that you don't fill now it's been a few years since you had a little purple patch and made the Champions League) but many clubs are now looking at capacities in advance of this. In terms of trophies won even West Ham have a better record than Newcastle (unless we're going back pre-war). Have any of you lot even seen Newcastle win a trophy? How can a club be considered big with a trophy cabinet that was last touched practically back in Victorian times?

 

This is is what I don't get. Their support don't really care about football. They're not fanatical about football. Anyone who knows anything about the game knows we had a great history for a long time. An awful lot more??? I don't recognise the League Cup as a major trophy, so by my reckoning we have 11 trophies to their 13, but that's offset by the fact they've only been champions of this country TWO times in their history. Yes TWO. Fucking Sunderland have treble their titles yet still they get mouthy

So by your analogy Sunderland are a far bigger club than you? That's quite interesting to hear from a Newcastle fan. Also your four League titles were so long ago that they really are ancient history (even more so than ours) and were won back in the day when getting into the football league was via election and there was a huge Northern Club bias in terms of who was allowed to be in there. Spurs have won at least one trophy every decade since the fifties (and more than one in most of those decades) In that same time you've won what? One trophy? (or is it two? - apologies I haven't looked it up) and wasn't that last trophy won the 'Fairs Cup' that was an invite only competition for football clubs from Cities that held trade fairs?

 

had 3 UEFA Cup Quarter Finals in 10 years, UEFA Cup Semi Finals (when it wasn't the mickey mouse competition for mickey mouse clubs it is today)

UEFA Cup Quarter Finals? Haha - have you got that on your honours board? And UEFA Cup Semi Finals when it wasn't the mickey mouse competition?....... Erm suggest you have a look at our history matey seeing as we won it twice when it was that sort of competition and lost in the final on another occasion - not that I'd normally bring that up as any sort of "success" but when you're talking about getting into Semi finals it's getting stupid.

 

We're an older club and played in the league a lot longer and the first ten averages were under 5,000 obviously dragging the all time average down.

I think you'll find that THFC are actually 10 years older than Newcastle FC but why let facts get in the way of your argument.

 

Newcastle fans in their hearts can say they've competed for league titles more than twice in the last 12 years, they can say they've qualified for the Champions League, we might never get back there again, but I don't think a club like Tottenham could get there and sustain it.

Why? THFC already turns over more money than Newcastle and that's with a stadium that has only two thirds the capacity. With a larger stadium and the increase in finances that this would bring why could Spurs not get there and sustain it? Any one of around ten clubs could do so with the right infrastructure, manager and club set up - yourselves included.

 

To try to get back to the whole new stadium thing. Let's assume that the capacity at the new stadium is set at 57,500 (bang in the middle of the range specified by the architects). Will we fill it week in week out? No, I very much doubt it - especially at the current pricing levels, in the existing financial climate and with the team marooned in the middle to bottom half of the table. But will we see an increase in average attendances overall? Yes I think that is pretty much guaranteed seeing as we average 99.8% of capacity at our current home and tickets for all but the really low interest games are hard to come by. My guess is that in a 57,500 capacity stadium, we would probably have an average league attendance of about 53,000 with about 46,000 - 48,000 being necessary to service the interest and repayments on the loan required to build it. Does that mean that we should downsize and build a 53,000 capacity stadium? Of course it doesn't. The new stadium is to be used for many, many years not just those in the immediate future.

The Iraqi Information Minister was more accurate than this cunt, I rang their ticket office in April, they had just under 13,000 people on this waiting list. The only thing is it's not a waiting list it's like a NUFC membership thing which gives you first refusal on tickets, and obviously you can purchase a ST if you're at the front of the queue. He's put 18,000 there which proves he's a liar. Tottenham are nearer to Charlton than us in more than geography, I'll reply to this saddest of sad cunts tomorrow. His crack about toon crowds Nothing club they know that, in their hearts. 16,000 gates in the Premiership era, 400 away fans here (1999), how can you not look down your nose at them? I'll reply properly tomorrow.

[Flair 0]

I'm going to WHL tomorrow night, my company has a box there. I can think of far better things to do than watch Spurs play but the free food and drink is just too good to turn down!

 

Why the fk do you have the nazi flag in your avatar?

[Ketsbaia 0]

I'm going to WHL tomorrow night, my company has a box there. I can think of far better things to do than watch Spurs play but the free food and drink is just too good to turn down!

 

Why the fk do you have the nazi flag in your avatar?

 

He's a jackboot wearing fascist. Why else?

[Fop 1]

I'm going to WHL tomorrow night, my company has a box there. I can think of far better things to do than watch Spurs play but the free food and drink is just too good to turn down!

 

Why the fk do you have the nazi flag in your avatar?

 

He's a jackboot wearing fascist. Why else?

[Guest Stevie]

On their official site NEWCASTLE UNITED AWAY 1,800 TICKETS - GENERAL SALE

 

MASSIVE CLUB

 

...A HARDER away to get to with no public transport on a cunt of a day

 

Fri 26.12.08 Wigan Athletic (a)

@ JJB Stadium, 3pm. Premier League.

Allocation 5,400. SOLD OUT.

 

I didn't even realise they classed themselves as Sunderland's size till they came 5th. What a set of wanks, but we;'ll be smiling on Sunday night

[Flair 0]

On their official site NEWCASTLE UNITED AWAY 1,800 TICKETS - GENERAL SALE

 

MASSIVE CLUB

 

...A HARDER away to get to with no public transport on a cunt of a day

 

Fri 26.12.08 Wigan Athletic (a)

@ JJB Stadium, 3pm. Premier League.

Allocation 5,400. SOLD OUT.

 

I didn't even realise they classed themselves as Sunderland's size till they came 5th. What a set of wanks, but we;'ll be smiling on Sunday night

 

Even though you are retarded 95% of the time, I hope your right.

[Kitman 2188]

Those that don't like long posts or hearing some facts that disagree with some of the opinions on here look away now

 

I took the look away now option tbh. If you're going to come on here and spout nonsense, at least make it succinct and amusing. Most of us can't be arsed to read this sort of post from our own supporters, never mind a geeky statto with verbal incontinence from Finchley.

[N17 0]

This is is what I don't get. Their support don't really care about football. They're not fanatical about football. Anyone who knows anything about the game knows we had a great history for a long time. An awful lot more??? I don't recognise the League Cup as a major trophy, so by my reckoning we have 11 trophies to their 13, but that's offset by the fact they've only been champions of this country TWO times in their history. Yes TWO. Fucking Sunderland have treble their titles yet still they get mouthy. When we have this argument with Everton they can say with their 9 league titles they have a superior history to us.

 

As for the all time League table. If ours was calculated from 1905? like there's is, we'd be well above them. We're an older club and played in the league a lot longer and the first ten averages were under 5,000 obviously dragging the all time average down. Thick people can't see that though. About this whole topic every body, and I mean EVERYBODY knows the truth. Last thing I'll say on the matter. 3-1 Owen. 4-1 Owen. two 5a doubles nice one.

 

I am a Spurs fan in peace. I haven't been on this forum before, this thread was made aware to us at glory glory by one of our more annoying members that regularly stirs up trouble either amongst ourselves or other fans but anyway I do take issue with several points.

 

On what basis have you come to the conclusion that our support do not care about football?

 

You may not recognise the League cup as a major trophy, I hope that has nothing to do with the fact Newcastle United has never won that competition, but it is a piece of silverware, it is a way of obtaining European football albeit the UEFA cup. I would agree that it is less prestigious than the FA cup but writing it off completely is ludicrous.

 

If Newcastle won the league cup next season, I'm sure you would feel differently. Aside from anything it would end your trophy drought.

 

The other thing I take issue with is the all time league table. How you can make a comparision of 2 modern day football clubs based on the fact you were in the football league before us, 103 years ago, is fantastical and can hardly be used as an argument over which team is more popular/bigger/successful.

 

The figures given out by other spurs fans regarding the waiting list for a season ticket are correct but also misleading. A fair portion of that 21,000 on the waiting list want to have a season ticket in very specific parts of the stadium. Parklane end, the shelf and Paxton. This is due to the price and atmosphere. Having sat in the west stand, paying twice what I normally pay in the south, I can see why.

 

Objectively speaking, with a 55 - 60,000 seater stadium, we would no doubt struggle to fill it on a mid week Carling cup tie against Southend if the ticket prices are not slashed accordingly. If the team was in a poor run of form (which happens regularly, at least twice a season) then even on saturday 3pm kickoffs against Stoke or Wigan we probably wouldn't reach capacity. If the prices were reasonable and transport wasn't as much of an issue as it is now then it might be different.

 

Newcastle United and Tottenham Hotspur are both big clubs. In the top 10 historically biggest clubs in English Association Football history. You have to nit pick over which is bigger or better. Arguably Spurs currently are doing better but 10 years ago Newcastle were the much better side and should have won the league.

 

Anyway good luck over the weekend, I like Kinnear a lot for obvious reasons, may the best team (spurs ) win

[acrossthepond 707]

This is is what I don't get. Their support don't really care about football. They're not fanatical about football. Anyone who knows anything about the game knows we had a great history for a long time. An awful lot more??? I don't recognise the League Cup as a major trophy, so by my reckoning we have 11 trophies to their 13, but that's offset by the fact they've only been champions of this country TWO times in their history. Yes TWO. Fucking Sunderland have treble their titles yet still they get mouthy. When we have this argument with Everton they can say with their 9 league titles they have a superior history to us.

 

As for the all time League table. If ours was calculated from 1905? like there's is, we'd be well above them. We're an older club and played in the league a lot longer and the first ten averages were under 5,000 obviously dragging the all time average down. Thick people can't see that though. About this whole topic every body, and I mean EVERYBODY knows the truth. Last thing I'll say on the matter. 3-1 Owen. 4-1 Owen. two 5a doubles nice one.

 

I am a Spurs fan in peace. I haven't been on this forum before, this thread was made aware to us at glory glory by one of our more annoying members that regularly stirs up trouble either amongst ourselves or other fans but anyway I do take issue with several points.

 

On what basis have you come to the conclusion that our support do not care about football?

 

You may not recognise the League cup as a major trophy, I hope that has nothing to do with the fact Newcastle United has never won that competition, but it is a piece of silverware, it is a way of obtaining European football albeit the UEFA cup. I would agree that it is less prestigious than the FA cup but writing it off completely is ludicrous.

 

If Newcastle won the league cup next season, I'm sure you would feel differently. Aside from anything it would end your trophy drought.

 

The other thing I take issue with is the all time league table. How you can make a comparision of 2 modern day football clubs based on the fact you were in the football league before us, 103 years ago, is fantastical and can hardly be used as an argument over which team is more popular/bigger/successful.

 

The figures given out by other spurs fans regarding the waiting list for a season ticket are correct but also misleading. A fair portion of that 21,000 on the waiting list want to have a season ticket in very specific parts of the stadium. Parklane end, the shelf and Paxton. This is due to the price and atmosphere. Having sat in the west stand, paying twice what I normally pay in the south, I can see why.

 

Objectively speaking, with a 55 - 60,000 seater stadium, we would no doubt struggle to fill it on a mid week Carling cup tie against Southend if the ticket prices are not slashed accordingly. If the team was in a poor run of form (which happens regularly, at least twice a season) then even on saturday 3pm kickoffs against Stoke or Wigan we probably wouldn't reach capacity. If the prices were reasonable and transport wasn't as much of an issue as it is now then it might be different.

 

Newcastle United and Tottenham Hotspur are both big clubs. In the top 10 historically biggest clubs in English Association Football history. You have to nit pick over which is bigger or better. Arguably Spurs currently are doing better but 10 years ago Newcastle were the much better side and should have won the league.

 

Anyway good luck over the weekend, I like Kinnear a lot for obvious reasons, may the best team (spurs ) win

 

Bit long but what an amazingly not shit post.

The bolded member wouldn't be a certain lovely lad by the name of Danny B would it?

 

We certainly would feel different about winning the League Cup - ask anyone on here and they'll tell you they'd snap your hands off for it. The issue we take exception to is Spurs fans coming on here and acting big because they've won the League Cup. Boro won it too - does that make them a big club?

 

You're certainly doing better at the moment, I don't mind holding my hands up and saying it. This is largely due to the fact that you now appear to have a manager running the club without board interference. He could be a trained monkey, but if he was picking his own players he'd be better than the smoke-and-mirrors shit we have now.

 

Good luck, you will need it.