Guest alex Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Personally I think 'bling' culture is shite but I would probably say Bellamy is 'bling' too along with people like Jordan. I would also say hip-hop gangster culture is pretty laughable too (especially when practiced by white middle class kids). I do like a bit of hip-hop though. Would you say my views make me racist? 49294[/snapback] Youre trivialising an important issue Alex. You dont seem to understand the complexities of the situation. No youre not. Bellamy can never be 'bling' in anything other than the OED version of the word. He has NEVER been called a 'bling bastard' on the forums in the context the others have. Check N-O or here for that comment. Do a search. See what it says. Explain why not. Dyer, Jenas and Babayaro have despite Bellamy having more written about him than any player. 49297[/snapback] I'm not trivialising it. How can I explain what other people meant though? Calling someone a bling bastard means they're flash though no? Also, what's wrong with using the OED version of the word? I tend to go with dictionary definitions rather than ones people apply to words in order to justify their argument. In any case, what point are you making. If you are saying a small minority of people have a racist agenda (or partly racist, i.e. the player's crap and on top of that he's black) when criticising players, then I would agree. However, the vast majority are not like this. 49307[/snapback] I will say this ONCE more look at the word 'coloured' in the OED and go out and call a big BLACK bloke it. See the comparison? Now go and find the origin of 'bling' and compare with the OED Different meanings. Very different. Now explain why the bloke you described as 'bling' never had the term used as a descriptor but the black fellas did. Frequently , by posters on NUFC websites and in pubs. 49311[/snapback] Sorry but I think 'bling' has a slightly more specific meaning than 'coloured'. And I can't explain comments made by other people. Bling means flash with loads of jewellery and stuff though doesn't it and it was born out of US hip-hop culture which is predominantly black, right? That would explain it to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 I'm not trivialising it. How can I explain what other people meant though? Calling someone a bling bastard means they're flash though no? Also, what's wrong with using the OED version of the word? I tend to go with dictionary definitions rather than ones people apply to words in order to justify their argument. In any case, what point are you making. If you are saying a small minority of people have a racist agenda (or partly racist, i.e. the player's crap and on top of that he's black) when criticising players, then I would agree. However, the vast majority are not like this. 49307[/snapback] I think you're typing this in full Nazi regalia tbh. 49310[/snapback] Fetishist tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 That's a pretty sizable response to a joke comment! I agree with you that society has to be pro-actively anti-racist for quite a long time to come but there is a whole other side to this argument. If you just say racism is wrong and let's put together some blanket policies to stop it the problems you end up with are just as bad. Labelling things as racist which aren't racist, making people afraid to discuss the issues, hysteria and quite possibly positive discrimination. Here's food for thought, why not just positively discriminate for poor, underprivileged people? Starting with better education and public health. Erm, we do. That's why I pay tax. It provides the less well off with a system of benefits that keeps poverty at a minimum. It's the well off providing for those without. I'm all for a higher rate of taxation on high earners and the Lib Dems did quite well running exactly that platform last year. Just a pity they aren't considered serious opposition yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bez 0 Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Personally I think 'bling' culture is shite but I would probably say Bellamy is 'bling' too along with people like Jordan. I would also say hip-hop gangster culture is pretty laughable too (especially when practiced by white middle class kids). I do like a bit of hip-hop though. Would you say my views make me racist? 49294[/snapback] Youre trivialising an important issue Alex. You dont seem to understand the complexities of the situation. No youre not. Bellamy can never be 'bling' in anything other than the OED version of the word. He has NEVER been called a 'bling bastard' on the forums in the context the others have. Check N-O or here for that comment. Do a search. See what it says. Explain why not. Dyer, Jenas and Babayaro have despite Bellamy having more written about him than any player. 49297[/snapback] I'm not trivialising it. How can I explain what other people meant though? Calling someone a bling bastard means they're flash though no? Also, what's wrong with using the OED version of the word? I tend to go with dictionary definitions rather than ones people apply to words in order to justify their argument. In any case, what point are you making. If you are saying a small minority of people have a racist agenda (or partly racist, i.e. the player's crap and on top of that he's black) when criticising players, then I would agree. However, the vast majority are not like this. 49307[/snapback] I will say this ONCE more look at the word 'coloured' in the OED and go out and call a big BLACK bloke it. See the comparison? Now go and find the origin of 'bling' and compare with the OED Different meanings. Very different. Now explain why the bloke you described as 'bling' never had the term used as a descriptor but the black fellas did. Frequently , by posters on NUFC websites and in pubs. 49311[/snapback] Sorry but I think 'bling' has a slightly more specific meaning than 'coloured'. And I can't explain comments made by other people. Bling means flash with loads of jewellery and stuff though doesn't it and it was born out of US hip-hop culture which is predominantly black, right? That would explain it to me. 49314[/snapback] Bling is a word associated with black culture. It can mean flash. 'coloured' is very precise in the OED Dictionary definitions dont tell you everything you need to know about the word. Craig Bellamy was 'bling' according to you. Never called 'bling bastard' Dyer, JJ, Babayaro have all been described as 'bling bastards' regularly Why? Personally, I think these people who use the term in that context have problems. Its a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Coloured(2): dated or offensive: wholly or partly of non-white descent. Bling-bling: US informal: expensive, ostentatious clothing and jewellery, or the wearing of them. Source: My Electronic OED thingy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 "Here's food for thought, why not just positively discriminate for poor, underprivileged people? Starting with better education and public health." We used to - it was called Soialism and it was done by the Labour Party..... a long time ago in a galaxy far, far........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Bellamy is a welsh twat tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 (edited) "Here's food for thought, why not just positively discriminate for poor, underprivileged people? Starting with better education and public health." We used to - it was called Soialism and it was done by the Labour Party..... a long time ago in a galaxy far, far........ 49320[/snapback] There's still plenty around that believe in complete social inclusion, in my circles anyway. Edited October 25, 2005 by DotBum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bez 0 Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 That's a pretty sizable response to a joke comment! I agree with you that society has to be pro-actively anti-racist for quite a long time to come but there is a whole other side to this argument. If you just say racism is wrong and let's put together some blanket policies to stop it the problems you end up with are just as bad. Labelling things as racist which aren't racist, making people afraid to discuss the issues, hysteria and quite possibly positive discrimination. Here's food for thought, why not just positively discriminate for poor, underprivileged people? Starting with better education and public health. Erm, we do. That's why I pay tax. It provides the less well off with a system of benefits that keeps poverty at a minimum. It's the well off providing for those without. I'm all for a higher rate of taxation on high earners and the Lib Dems did quite well running exactly that platform last year. Just a pity they aren't considered serious opposition yet. 49317[/snapback] Some kids are born to fail though simply because its hard to escape. Some are bright and can't get out. Its a shame. Humans are greedy. Whether the Lib Dems get in or not, the mixed economy is leaning more to the competitive side nowadays worldwide. It's 'survival of the fittest' in a way we havent seen for years. Plenty of exploitation.usually by the UK/US. Read about Suhartu in Indonesia for the perfect example of what could have been and what is now prevalent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Personally I think 'bling' culture is shite but I would probably say Bellamy is 'bling' too along with people like Jordan. I would also say hip-hop gangster culture is pretty laughable too (especially when practiced by white middle class kids). I do like a bit of hip-hop though. Would you say my views make me racist? 49294[/snapback] Youre trivialising an important issue Alex. You dont seem to understand the complexities of the situation. No youre not. Bellamy can never be 'bling' in anything other than the OED version of the word. He has NEVER been called a 'bling bastard' on the forums in the context the others have. Check N-O or here for that comment. Do a search. See what it says. Explain why not. Dyer, Jenas and Babayaro have despite Bellamy having more written about him than any player. 49297[/snapback] I'm not trivialising it. How can I explain what other people meant though? Calling someone a bling bastard means they're flash though no? Also, what's wrong with using the OED version of the word? I tend to go with dictionary definitions rather than ones people apply to words in order to justify their argument. In any case, what point are you making. If you are saying a small minority of people have a racist agenda (or partly racist, i.e. the player's crap and on top of that he's black) when criticising players, then I would agree. However, the vast majority are not like this. 49307[/snapback] I will say this ONCE more look at the word 'coloured' in the OED and go out and call a big BLACK bloke it. See the comparison? Now go and find the origin of 'bling' and compare with the OED Different meanings. Very different. Now explain why the bloke you described as 'bling' never had the term used as a descriptor but the black fellas did. Frequently , by posters on NUFC websites and in pubs. 49311[/snapback] Sorry but I think 'bling' has a slightly more specific meaning than 'coloured'. And I can't explain comments made by other people. Bling means flash with loads of jewellery and stuff though doesn't it and it was born out of US hip-hop culture which is predominantly black, right? That would explain it to me. 49314[/snapback] Bling is a word associated with black culture. It can mean flash. 'coloured' is very precise in the OED Dictionary definitions dont tell you everything you need to know about the word. Craig Bellamy was 'bling' according to you. Never called 'bling bastard' Dyer, JJ, Babayaro have all been described as 'bling bastards' regularly Why? Personally, I think these people who use the term in that context have problems. Its a problem. 49318[/snapback] I don't think it is racist to be honest. Anyway, one more time, if you are saying a small minority of people have a racist agenda (or partly racist, i.e. the player's crap and on top of that he's black) when criticising players, then I would agree. However, the vast majority are not like this. Would you agree bez? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 That's a pretty sizable response to a joke comment! I agree with you that society has to be pro-actively anti-racist for quite a long time to come but there is a whole other side to this argument. If you just say racism is wrong and let's put together some blanket policies to stop it the problems you end up with are just as bad. Labelling things as racist which aren't racist, making people afraid to discuss the issues, hysteria and quite possibly positive discrimination. Here's food for thought, why not just positively discriminate for poor, underprivileged people? Starting with better education and public health. Erm, we do. That's why I pay tax. It provides the less well off with a system of benefits that keeps poverty at a minimum. It's the well off providing for those without. I'm all for a higher rate of taxation on high earners and the Lib Dems did quite well running exactly that platform last year. Just a pity they aren't considered serious opposition yet. 49317[/snapback] Some kids are born to fail though simply because its hard to escape. Some are bright and can't get out. Its a shame. Humans are greedy. Whether the Lib Dems get in or not, the mixed economy is leaning more to the competitive side nowadays worldwide. It's 'survival of the fittest' in a way we havent seen for years. Plenty of exploitation.usually by the UK/US. Read about Suhartu in Indonesia for the perfect example of what could have been and what is now prevalent. 49323[/snapback] Try the 1980's under Thatcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bez 0 Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Personally I think 'bling' culture is shite but I would probably say Bellamy is 'bling' too along with people like Jordan. I would also say hip-hop gangster culture is pretty laughable too (especially when practiced by white middle class kids). I do like a bit of hip-hop though. Would you say my views make me racist? 49294[/snapback] Youre trivialising an important issue Alex. You dont seem to understand the complexities of the situation. No youre not. Bellamy can never be 'bling' in anything other than the OED version of the word. He has NEVER been called a 'bling bastard' on the forums in the context the others have. Check N-O or here for that comment. Do a search. See what it says. Explain why not. Dyer, Jenas and Babayaro have despite Bellamy having more written about him than any player. 49297[/snapback] I'm not trivialising it. How can I explain what other people meant though? Calling someone a bling bastard means they're flash though no? Also, what's wrong with using the OED version of the word? I tend to go with dictionary definitions rather than ones people apply to words in order to justify their argument. In any case, what point are you making. If you are saying a small minority of people have a racist agenda (or partly racist, i.e. the player's crap and on top of that he's black) when criticising players, then I would agree. However, the vast majority are not like this. 49307[/snapback] I will say this ONCE more look at the word 'coloured' in the OED and go out and call a big BLACK bloke it. See the comparison? Now go and find the origin of 'bling' and compare with the OED Different meanings. Very different. Now explain why the bloke you described as 'bling' never had the term used as a descriptor but the black fellas did. Frequently , by posters on NUFC websites and in pubs. 49311[/snapback] Sorry but I think 'bling' has a slightly more specific meaning than 'coloured'. And I can't explain comments made by other people. Bling means flash with loads of jewellery and stuff though doesn't it and it was born out of US hip-hop culture which is predominantly black, right? That would explain it to me. 49314[/snapback] Bling is a word associated with black culture. It can mean flash. 'coloured' is very precise in the OED Dictionary definitions dont tell you everything you need to know about the word. Craig Bellamy was 'bling' according to you. Never called 'bling bastard' Dyer, JJ, Babayaro have all been described as 'bling bastards' regularly Why? Personally, I think these people who use the term in that context have problems. Its a problem. 49318[/snapback] I don't think it is racist to be honest. Anyway, one more time, if you are saying a small minority of people have a racist agenda (or partly racist, i.e. the player's crap and on top of that he's black) when criticising players, then I would agree. However, the vast majority are not like this. Would you agree bez? 49324[/snapback] I have said what I think. The vast majority are decent. Others use the terms 'bling bastard' in 'mild' racist ways (personally i see nothing mild about it but that is term a friend used). Its inference is there simply because they would call others it if it wasnt the case. For instance Craig Bellamy, as you state. Its getting better but we are a long way from utopia. I still fail to see why people seem to feel the need to use a word couched in black culture to describe black players. But never the white ones? See what I mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bez 0 Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 That's a pretty sizable response to a joke comment! I agree with you that society has to be pro-actively anti-racist for quite a long time to come but there is a whole other side to this argument. If you just say racism is wrong and let's put together some blanket policies to stop it the problems you end up with are just as bad. Labelling things as racist which aren't racist, making people afraid to discuss the issues, hysteria and quite possibly positive discrimination. Here's food for thought, why not just positively discriminate for poor, underprivileged people? Starting with better education and public health. Erm, we do. That's why I pay tax. It provides the less well off with a system of benefits that keeps poverty at a minimum. It's the well off providing for those without. I'm all for a higher rate of taxation on high earners and the Lib Dems did quite well running exactly that platform last year. Just a pity they aren't considered serious opposition yet. 49317[/snapback] Some kids are born to fail though simply because its hard to escape. Some are bright and can't get out. Its a shame. Humans are greedy. Whether the Lib Dems get in or not, the mixed economy is leaning more to the competitive side nowadays worldwide. It's 'survival of the fittest' in a way we havent seen for years. Plenty of exploitation.usually by the UK/US. Read about Suhartu in Indonesia for the perfect example of what could have been and what is now prevalent. 49323[/snapback] Try the 1980's under Thatcher. 49325[/snapback] Thatcher in the 1980s still had a lot of socialist ideals to dismantle. Privatisation has continued after her. Unions have less power than in her day. We are further to the right now than we were under her. I can't abide her and what her and Reagan set in motion is never going to end in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14247 Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 I still fail to see why people seem to feel the need to use a word couched in black culture to describe black players.But never the white ones? 49326[/snapback] Beckham's been described as "bling" plenty. Or is he blacking up Jolson-style these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bez 0 Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 I still fail to see why people seem to feel the need to use a word couched in black culture to describe black players.But never the white ones? 49326[/snapback] Beckham's been described as "bling" plenty. Or is he blacking up Jolson-style these days? 49328[/snapback] Does he play for, or ever has played for Newcastle? Was the word 'bling' used with 'bastard' after it in vitriolic terms hoping he would die? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 'Bling' is a term used widely in the media by both black and white people to describe flash people both white and black (although normally black). It isn't generally considered to be offensive by either white or black people. If I said a black player had an afro and he did would that be racist, no? But it would be using a term associated with black culture to describe a black footballer. Is that wrong? Also, the fact I've seen Beckham described as 'bling' nullifies your argument IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 I still fail to see why people seem to feel the need to use a word couched in black culture to describe black players.But never the white ones? 49326[/snapback] Beckham's been described as "bling" plenty. Or is he blacking up Jolson-style these days? 49328[/snapback] Does he play for, or ever has played for Newcastle? Was the word 'bling' used with 'bastard' after it in vitriolic terms hoping he would die? 49329[/snapback] That was one persons comments in this thread. However, if you're saying no one would use something as offensive as 'bling bastard' to describe Beckham who has got unbelievable stick at times down the years I think you're being deliberately narrow-minded for the sake or your argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 I have said what I think. The vast majority are decent. Others use the terms 'bling bastard' in 'mild' racist ways (personally i see nothing mild about it but that is term a friend used). Its inference is there simply because they would call others it if it wasnt the case. For instance Craig Bellamy, as you state. Its getting better but we are a long way from utopia. I still fail to see why people seem to feel the need to use a word couched in black culture to describe black players. But never the white ones? See what I mean? 49326[/snapback] I see what you mean, I just think it's unimportant. I value freedom of speech above the tight lipped fear of breaking political correctness. We all have differences and we have always ridiculed those differences amongst each other. Whether it's for being ginger, lanky, fat, bald, short, black, indian, Pakistani, white, Irish, Geordie, Mackem etc etc. People take the piss out of each other and I wouldn't want it any other way. What IS important is moving the hatred involved with racism toward the jovial banter involved in ripping the crap out of me for being lanky. Being lanky has no detrimental affect on my life other than people take the piss out of me. Being black incurs far more prejudice than inconsequential name calling. I don't think 'bling' is racist. If anyone else does, then it is. I'm not going to stop saying it though. I have the right to say what I want. I don't have the right to refuse someone a job on the basis of their colour or beat the shit out of them for it. It's that level of racism that needs to be tackled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bez 0 Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 'Bling' is a term used widely in the media by both black and white people to describe flash people both white and black (although normally black). It isn't generally considered to be offensive by either white or black people. If I said a black player had an afro and he did would that be racist, no? But it would be using a term associated with black culture to describe a black footballer. Is that wrong? Also, the fact I've seen Beckham described as 'bling' nullifies your argument IMO. 49330[/snapback] You tend to trivialise the issue Alex.See the other thread relatting to Carr. Its not an argument for people to 'win' You havent answered the Q Why has Craig Bellamy never been described as a bling bastard? You ignore the context. You have seen the evidence from this forum that people tend to get vitriolic. Why? Beckham get called 'bling' in a context very different to those used on these forums. I assume you are intelligent enough to realise that without trivialising it (again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sima Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Bellamy is a welsh twat tbh 49321[/snapback] LM will be onto you for that....well....once he takes Bellamy's cock out of his mouth that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14247 Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Beckham get called 'bling' in a context very different to those used on these forums. 49333[/snapback] I think you meant "Beckham getting called 'bling' doesn't fit my argument, so I'm going to dismiss it out of hand." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bez 0 Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 I have said what I think. The vast majority are decent. Others use the terms 'bling bastard' in 'mild' racist ways (personally i see nothing mild about it but that is term a friend used). Its inference is there simply because they would call others it if it wasnt the case. For instance Craig Bellamy, as you state. Its getting better but we are a long way from utopia. I still fail to see why people seem to feel the need to use a word couched in black culture to describe black players. But never the white ones? See what I mean? 49326[/snapback] I see what you mean, I just think it's unimportant. I value freedom of speech above the tight lipped fear of breaking political correctness. We all have differences and we have always ridiculed those differences amongst each other. Whether it's for being ginger, lanky, fat, bald, short, black, indian, Pakistani, white, Irish, Geordie, Mackem etc etc. People take the piss out of each other and I wouldn't want it any other way. What IS important is moving the hatred involved with racism toward the jovial banter involved in ripping the crap out of me for being lanky. Being lanky has no detrimental affect on my life other than people take the piss out of me. Being black incurs far more prejudice than inconsequential name calling. I don't think 'bling' is racist. If anyone else does, then it is. I'm not going to stop saying it though. I have the right to say what I want. I don't have the right to refuse someone a job on the basis of their colour or beat the shit out of them for it. It's that level of racism that needs to be tackled. 49332[/snapback] I have no problem with the word 'bling' in its basic meaning. I do have a problem with 'bling bastard' in its vitriolic and selective use. Very, very different As for your last comment. Agreed, although it depends whether your belief is to tackle the big problem head on which hasnt worked or educate people regarding the smaller issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 I play football with a lad who's black. He's bling and I've called him it to his face. The reason is because he is bling and it isn't offensive, to me or him. It's a bit of a joke obviously but he would be the first to admit he's bling. The lasses love him so I doubt if he gives a shit about me ribbing him for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bez 0 Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Beckham get called 'bling' in a context very different to those used on these forums. 49333[/snapback] I think you meant "Beckham getting called 'bling' doesn't fit my argument, so I'm going to dismiss it out of hand." 49336[/snapback] No, i meant "you havent the cognitive capacity to spot the difference but i will try to give you the opportunity to try" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sima Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Bling is just another word for flash tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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