Left Wing Idiots

[Meenzer 14136]

Sometimes it feels like you could start a thread on here containing just one word - "ARGUMENT", say - and 12 pages later a handful of people would have got bogged down in a tug-of-war debate on the shape of the letter "M".

[ChezGiven 0]

Governments control taxation (and at the time monetary policy), public services directly through the Ministries and through law, the regulatory mechanisms which control commerce and peoples behaviour.

 

All policy is therefore social as it affects society, the only policies that are not social are macro-economic and these are implemented to have social impact by influencing the distribution of income.

 

Name me a policy and i'll give you the social consequences.

[Fop 1]

Sometimes it feels like you could start a thread on here containing just one word - "ARGUMENT", say - and 12 pages later a handful of people would have got bogged down in a tug-of-war debate on the shape of the letter "M".

 

Yup, and it's always the usual suspects involved (even when Fop isn't ).

 

Governments control taxation (and at the time monetary policy), public services directly through the Ministries and through law, the regulatory mechanisms which control commerce and peoples behaviour.

 

All policy is therefore social as it affects society, the only policies that are not social are macro-economic and these are implemented to have social impact by influencing the distribution of income.

 

Name me a policy and i'll give you the social consequences.

 

So basically you don't have a clue what you were talking about re: "social policies" either.

 

Fop just can't believe it.

[Park Life 71]

Absolute nutcase.

 

He is coming over badly in this thread granted.

[ChezGiven 0]

Absolute nutcase.

 

He is coming over badly in this thread granted.

 

He's losing it.

[Fop 1]

Absolute nutcase.

 

He is coming over badly in this thread granted.

 

Bah, you agreed with Fop it's too late to change sides now.

 

It just seems no one can actually define these "social policies" that they were talking about, even though it has nothing to do with what Fop said in the first place.... but you'd still think they should know what on earth it was they were talking about.

[ChezGiven 0]

I defined it above for you but if you need me to spell it out, its a policy that affects the social welfare of the people.

 

You can probable exclude foreign policy from the umbrella.

[Guest alex]

Absolute nutcase.

 

He is coming over badly in this thread granted.

 

Bah, you agreed with Fop it's too late to change sides now.

 

It just seems no one can actually define these "social policies" that they were talking about, even though it has nothing to do with what Fop said in the first place.... but you'd still think they should know what on earth it was they were talking about.

As I said before, you didn't define what policies you were on about. You could easily dispel any confusion by doing so. Just an observation like sweetie.

[Renton 18038]

I defined it above for you but if you need me to spell it out, its a policy that affects the social welfare of the people.

 

You can probable exclude foreign policy from the umbrella.

 

That was my definition too, as shown in post 103 on this thread where I was suprised Fop made a distinction between social and 'general' policy. Of course, he was just attempting to wriggle out of his original inane comments, as usual.

[Fop 1]

I defined it above for you but if you need me to spell it out, its a policy that affects the social welfare of the people.

 

You can probable exclude foreign policy from the umbrella.

 

Again that is a meaningless statement in this context, which "people"? what "social welfare"? What where you talking about?

 

Fop doesn't know, and clearly you still don't either.

 

Absolute nutcase.

 

He is coming over badly in this thread granted.

 

Bah, you agreed with Fop it's too late to change sides now.

 

It just seems no one can actually define these "social policies" that they were talking about, even though it has nothing to do with what Fop said in the first place.... but you'd still think they should know what on earth it was they were talking about.

As I said before, you didn't define what policies you were on about. You could easily dispel any confusion by doing so. Just an observation like sweetie.

 

There's loads, but I think we should clear up this matter of "social policy" first my dear, it seems to be rather important to them even though they don't seem to know what it actually is when they refer to it.

[Fop 1]

I defined it above for you but if you need me to spell it out, its a policy that affects the social welfare of the people.

 

You can probable exclude foreign policy from the umbrella.

 

That was my definition too, as shown in post 103 on this thread where I was suprised Fop made a distinction between social and 'general' policy. Of course, he was just attempting to wriggle out of his original inane comments, as usual.

 

So you finally admit you don't know what it is either.

 

This is why threads go this way, it's very reminiscent of the CPU thread.

[Renton 18038]

I defined it above for you but if you need me to spell it out, its a policy that affects the social welfare of the people.

 

You can probable exclude foreign policy from the umbrella.

 

That was my definition too, as shown in post 103 on this thread where I was suprised Fop made a distinction between social and 'general' policy. Of course, he was just attempting to wriggle out of his original inane comments, as usual.

 

So you finally admit you don't know what it is either.

 

This is why threads go this way, it's very reminiscent of the CPU thread.

 

Christ you're tedious Fop. I can't even remember much about the CPU thread, other than it giving clues to what you do as a living. Anyway, I bought my PC and I'm very happy with it thank you. I didn't get one of you IT geeks to build it either.

[Fop 1]

I defined it above for you but if you need me to spell it out, its a policy that affects the social welfare of the people.

 

You can probable exclude foreign policy from the umbrella.

 

That was my definition too, as shown in post 103 on this thread where I was suprised Fop made a distinction between social and 'general' policy. Of course, he was just attempting to wriggle out of his original inane comments, as usual.

 

So you finally admit you don't know what it is either.

 

This is why threads go this way, it's very reminiscent of the CPU thread.

 

Christ you're tedious Fop.

And yet you always (without fail) fall over yourself to try and get into an argument with Fop.

 

I can't even remember much about the CPU thread, other than it giving clues to what you do as a living. Anyway, I bought my PC and I'm very happy with it thank you. I didn't get one of you IT geeks to build it either.

You can't remember what you were on about re: "social policy" so it's no surprise, but it (the CPU thread) was very representative of your need to argue with Fop, even though you weren't sure at all about what it was you were arguing about.

 

That's another one to add to the Fop's profession list of obsession though.

[ChezGiven 0]

I defined it above for you but if you need me to spell it out, its a policy that affects the social welfare of the people.

 

You can probable exclude foreign policy from the umbrella.

 

Again that is a meaningless statement in this context, which "people"? what "social welfare"? What where you talking about?

 

Fop doesn't know, and clearly you still don't either.

 

 

"Social Policy is the study of social welfare, and its relationship to politics and society."

 

As an Economist, i define it as the combined welfare of all individuals that comprise a society. See Arrow for measurement problems and Rawls for a definition that includes liberties, which would be of interest to you.

 

Always happy to help.

[Renton 18038]

I defined it above for you but if you need me to spell it out, its a policy that affects the social welfare of the people.

 

You can probable exclude foreign policy from the umbrella.

 

That was my definition too, as shown in post 103 on this thread where I was suprised Fop made a distinction between social and 'general' policy. Of course, he was just attempting to wriggle out of his original inane comments, as usual.

 

So you finally admit you don't know what it is either.

 

This is why threads go this way, it's very reminiscent of the CPU thread.

 

Christ you're tedious Fop.

And yet you always (without fail) fall over yourself to try and get into an argument with Fop.

 

I can't even remember much about the CPU thread, other than it giving clues to what you do as a living. Anyway, I bought my PC and I'm very happy with it thank you. I didn't get one of you IT geeks to build it either.

You can't remember what you were on about re: "social policy" so it's no surprise, but it (the CPU thread) was very representative of your need to argue with Fop, even though you weren't sure at all about what it was you were arguing about.

 

That's another one to add to the Fop's profession list of obsession though.

 

I think it's telling you won't say what you do, it gives you the option of pretending to be an expert on everything, rather than being a clueless gimp who knows next to nothing. Of course, everyone can see you're actually the latter.

 

Anyway, now your tedium has forced me to insults I suppose I'd better get some work done, thanks for remotivating me. I have a rather dull paper to read instead. Heaven.

[Norbert Colon 0]

Well i am no expert on this but i was listening to a bloke on the radio who seemed pretty clever and he reckons we are entering a period similar to the weimar republic in germany so i have gone and bought a wheel barrow because thats what they used to carry their german marks around in when they went to the shop- cos their money was worth fuck all

[Guest alex]

Well i am no expert on this but i was listening to a bloke on the radio who seemed pretty clever and he reckons we are entering a period similar to the weimar republic in germany so i have gone and bought a wheel barrow because thats what they used to carry their german marks around in when they went to the shop- cos their money was worth fuck all

The recent news on inflation doesn't really back that up.

[Norbert Colon 0]

Well i am no expert on this but i was listening to a bloke on the radio who seemed pretty clever and he reckons we are entering a period similar to the weimar republic in germany so i have gone and bought a wheel barrow because thats what they used to carry their german marks around in when they went to the shop- cos their money was worth fuck all

The recent news on inflation doesn't really back that up.

I thought the spiralling deflation we were going to hit may cause that as well as the quantative easing and zero gold reserves to prop up the currency

[Guest alex]

Well i am no expert on this but i was listening to a bloke on the radio who seemed pretty clever and he reckons we are entering a period similar to the weimar republic in germany so i have gone and bought a wheel barrow because thats what they used to carry their german marks around in when they went to the shop- cos their money was worth fuck all

The recent news on inflation doesn't really back that up.

I thought the spiralling deflation we were going to hit may cause that as well as the quantative easing and zero gold reserves to prop up the currency

Only going off my sketchy knowledge of these things and GCSE history but there was hyper-inflation in the Weimar Republic which meant your money's worth less by the day and any period of deflation will mean your money's worth more, no?

[Norbert Colon 0]

Well i am no expert on this but i was listening to a bloke on the radio who seemed pretty clever and he reckons we are entering a period similar to the weimar republic in germany so i have gone and bought a wheel barrow because thats what they used to carry their german marks around in when they went to the shop- cos their money was worth fuck all

The recent news on inflation doesn't really back that up.

I thought the spiralling deflation we were going to hit may cause that as well as the quantative easing and zero gold reserves to prop up the currency

Only going off my sketchy knowledge of these things and GCSE history but there was hyper-inflation in the Weimar Republic which meant your money's worth less by the day and any period of deflation will mean your money's worth more, no?

Aye the products you buy are cheaper but the value of the currency also goes down (apparently) this leads to nobody buying anything and eventually the whole thing collapses i suppose he reckoned this may cause the hyper inflation - like i say he was a professor of something and seemed to know his way round it - once you wade through the government spin there are some pretty clever blokes sketching out some very scary scenarios

[Guest alex]

Well i am no expert on this but i was listening to a bloke on the radio who seemed pretty clever and he reckons we are entering a period similar to the weimar republic in germany so i have gone and bought a wheel barrow because thats what they used to carry their german marks around in when they went to the shop- cos their money was worth fuck all

The recent news on inflation doesn't really back that up.

I thought the spiralling deflation we were going to hit may cause that as well as the quantative easing and zero gold reserves to prop up the currency

Only going off my sketchy knowledge of these things and GCSE history but there was hyper-inflation in the Weimar Republic which meant your money's worth less by the day and any period of deflation will mean your money's worth more, no?

Aye the products you buy are cheaper but the value of the currency also goes down (apparently) this leads to nobody buying anything and eventually the whole thing collapses i suppose he reckoned this may cause the hyper inflation - like i say he was a professor of something and seemed to know his way round it - once you wade through the government spin there are some pretty clever blokes sketching out some very scary scenarios

Fair enough. I don't understand how the value of the currency goes down though. In the UK, that is. Fair to say I'm no expert like

Edited March 24, 2009 by alex

[Norbert Colon 0]

Well i am no expert on this but i was listening to a bloke on the radio who seemed pretty clever and he reckons we are entering a period similar to the weimar republic in germany so i have gone and bought a wheel barrow because thats what they used to carry their german marks around in when they went to the shop- cos their money was worth fuck all

The recent news on inflation doesn't really back that up.

I thought the spiralling deflation we were going to hit may cause that as well as the quantative easing and zero gold reserves to prop up the currency

Only going off my sketchy knowledge of these things and GCSE history but there was hyper-inflation in the Weimar Republic which meant your money's worth less by the day and any period of deflation will mean your money's worth more, no?

Aye the products you buy are cheaper but the value of the currency also goes down (apparently) this leads to nobody buying anything and eventually the whole thing collapses i suppose he reckoned this may cause the hyper inflation - like i say he was a professor of something and seemed to know his way round it - once you wade through the government spin there are some pretty clever blokes sketching out some very scary scenarios

Fair enough. I don't understand how the value of the currency goes down though. In the UK, that is. Fair to say I'm no expert like

 

Me either mate - thats why i live in fenham and not jesmond

[LeazesMag 0]

Speaking of the property ladder, was reading some article in The Economist last night saying that the relatively large increase in homeownership in the US, UK and interestingly Spain will hinder the labour market dynamics which are critical to recovery from deep structural recessions.

Insofar as people are less able to "get on their bike" and find work where there's work to be had?

 

That was the general idea. Compared the mobility of the american workforce post the great depression to today and said the irony is that homeownership not only caused the crisis but will exacerbate its length as people are tied to their location. Espeically if they are in negative equity.

 

indeed

 

Having witnessed the failure of Socialism ie the Eastern bloc 20 years ago, are we now witnessing the beginning of the failure of capitalism too. Where next.

[LeazesMag 0]

Danny B's post = massive LOLs

 

 

a bit OTT in some parts but lots of good points

[LeazesMag 0]

New Labour aren't left wing. They had a centrist agenda from day one.

 

GB has all the hall marks of socialism, healthcare, subsidised transport for those that need, social services and all the associated safety nets.

 

France and Germany are even more to the left in state intervention.

 

Get a clue before you post more shit you muppet.

 

I'd say New Labour are probably more right wing than the tories in many ways, in fact it's hard to see the difference in many general polices between Thatcher and Blair/Brown (apart from that Blair/Brown should have realised that they'd failed and were a mistake).

 

John Smith's death was a tragedy for the country.

 

Tony Blair could be said to be the best Tory leader the Labour party ever had.