Time to stop and think

[ChezGiven 0]

Of course Wise leaving is because of Shearer.

 

Flying in the face of logic there Pud.

 

So what does Ashley do if Shearer buggers off after the 8 games? Go back and ask Dennis to return? This regime had faith in DW, they believed he was doing a good job and it was all part of the master plan. I think personally that DW was due to leave anyway, either through another job or because the whole regime is away and therefore this was inevitable.

 

If he was already nailed on for more then why say its 8 only? why not just come out and give everyone an even bigger feelgood factor and get even more plaudits than they are doing? Why does Shearer himself state that its only 8 games?

 

Lets just be realistic and if it happens then all the better, I for one though refuse to get my hopes up that this is a brave new Ashley/Shearer dawn.

 

Because he might fail, Shearer isnt stupid, he knows that this is a risk for him and the club. If he fails, he personally may not want to stay. I'd imagine that it is Shearer driving this out into the public domain as these are the terms he has agreed to.

 

If he wanted to stay and take a 3 year contract, he would have got it. Its not like Ashley would have said 'Alan, can you come and manage us, i'm only going to give you 8 games though, thats my offer'. Makes me think of that good-looking makem Stevie was talking about the other day, Asif.

[Happy Face 29]

It's annoying to think that we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place if Ashley and co had listened to KK in the first place. Dismantling the management pyramid in April (under pressure from Shearer) when they could, and should, have done it in September at Keegan's insistence. Rank bad decision making. And, although they might have "thrown a six" in getting Shearer what evidence is there to suggest that this bad decision making, out-of-touch communicating and general out-of-their-depth mismanagement won't continue?

 

 

All I hope is that Ashley's biggest fault has been inexperience and that it's been worthwhile because he's learned a great deal from the last 14 months. If he shows he's come through it more willing to listen to those that know the club and the game inside out, rather than those that know buisiness or have no pedigree even at other inferior clubs, then I'd have no problem coming round and giving him my full support.

[Fop 1]

I'm amazed Shearer has agreed to work for the slimy pack of twats in charge of the club.

 

He said he wouldn't, but I guess the club being in the straights it is in is both something he doesn't want to see, and an opportunity that is too "good" to pass up managerially as well (whether for 8 games or longer).

Fop when was the last time you went to St James' Park?

Fop's not having sex with you either.

Have you ever been to Newcastle?

You'll be labelled obsessed for asking a straight question like that. Naive of you to think otherwise

I'm sick of the cunt.

Once you go Fop, you never go back.

[Fop 1]

It's annoying to think that we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place if Ashley and co had listened to KK in the first place. Dismantling the management pyramid in April (under pressure from Shearer) when they could, and should, have done it in September at Keegan's insistence. Rank bad decision making. And, although they might have "thrown a six" in getting Shearer what evidence is there to suggest that this bad decision making, out-of-touch communicating and general out-of-their-depth mismanagement won't continue?

 

 

All I hope is that Ashley's biggest fault has been inexperience and that it's been worthwhile because he's learned a great deal from the last 14 months. If he shows he's come through it more willing to listen to those that know the club and the game inside out, rather than those that know buisiness or have no pedigree even at other inferior clubs, then I'd have no problem coming round and giving him my full support.

 

Ashley's biggest fault has been the credit crunch, his second biggest fault has been the people he brought in around him (barring Keegan, Mort and hopefully Shearer).

[Park Life 70]

Shearer will be manager at the start of next season.

 

I refer the honourary gentleman to his 7th place prediction.

 

I would counter with my prediction JFK would not return as manager your honour.

[Happy Face 29]

It's annoying to think that we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place if Ashley and co had listened to KK in the first place. Dismantling the management pyramid in April (under pressure from Shearer) when they could, and should, have done it in September at Keegan's insistence. Rank bad decision making. And, although they might have "thrown a six" in getting Shearer what evidence is there to suggest that this bad decision making, out-of-touch communicating and general out-of-their-depth mismanagement won't continue?

 

 

All I hope is that Ashley's biggest fault has been inexperience and that it's been worthwhile because he's learned a great deal from the last 14 months. If he shows he's come through it more willing to listen to those that know the club and the game inside out, rather than those that know buisiness or have no pedigree even at other inferior clubs, then I'd have no problem coming round and giving him my full support.

 

Ashley's biggest fault has been the credit crunch, his second biggest fault has been the people he brought in around him (barring Keegan, Mort and hopefully Shearer).

 

I think Keegan would have been happy working on a budget and managing expectations accordingly. The only thing Ashley can blame the credit crunch for is being unable to sell the club after the shit hit the fan.

[Guest alex]

Shearer will be manager at the start of next season.

 

I refer the honourary gentleman to his 7th place prediction.

 

I would counter with my prediction JFK would not return as manager your honour.

At least you stick your neck out tbf. Usually to provoke debate as well I reckon.

Not to suggest you don't spout reams of shite like

[Guest alex]

It's annoying to think that we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place if Ashley and co had listened to KK in the first place. Dismantling the management pyramid in April (under pressure from Shearer) when they could, and should, have done it in September at Keegan's insistence. Rank bad decision making. And, although they might have "thrown a six" in getting Shearer what evidence is there to suggest that this bad decision making, out-of-touch communicating and general out-of-their-depth mismanagement won't continue?

 

 

All I hope is that Ashley's biggest fault has been inexperience and that it's been worthwhile because he's learned a great deal from the last 14 months. If he shows he's come through it more willing to listen to those that know the club and the game inside out, rather than those that know buisiness or have no pedigree even at other inferior clubs, then I'd have no problem coming round and giving him my full support.

 

Ashley's biggest fault has been the credit crunch, his second biggest fault has been the people he brought in around him (barring Keegan, Mort and hopefully Shearer).

Not convinced he'd have spent a lot anyway but I think he'd have probably spent a bit more.

[Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0]

It's annoying to think that we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place if Ashley and co had listened to KK in the first place. Dismantling the management pyramid in April (under pressure from Shearer) when they could, and should, have done it in September at Keegan's insistence. Rank bad decision making. And, although they might have "thrown a six" in getting Shearer what evidence is there to suggest that this bad decision making, out-of-touch communicating and general out-of-their-depth mismanagement won't continue?

 

 

All I hope is that Ashley's biggest fault has been inexperience and that it's been worthwhile because he's learned a great deal from the last 14 months. If he shows he's come through it more willing to listen to those that know the club and the game inside out, rather than those that know buisiness or have no pedigree even at other inferior clubs, then I'd have no problem coming round and giving him my full support.

Would stick in my craw a bit tbh.

[Guest alex]

It's annoying to think that we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place if Ashley and co had listened to KK in the first place. Dismantling the management pyramid in April (under pressure from Shearer) when they could, and should, have done it in September at Keegan's insistence. Rank bad decision making. And, although they might have "thrown a six" in getting Shearer what evidence is there to suggest that this bad decision making, out-of-touch communicating and general out-of-their-depth mismanagement won't continue?

 

 

All I hope is that Ashley's biggest fault has been inexperience and that it's been worthwhile because he's learned a great deal from the last 14 months. If he shows he's come through it more willing to listen to those that know the club and the game inside out, rather than those that know buisiness or have no pedigree even at other inferior clubs, then I'd have no problem coming round and giving him my full support.

Would stick in my craw a bit tbh.

Can't see the scenario happening anyway.

[Fop 1]

It's annoying to think that we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place if Ashley and co had listened to KK in the first place. Dismantling the management pyramid in April (under pressure from Shearer) when they could, and should, have done it in September at Keegan's insistence. Rank bad decision making. And, although they might have "thrown a six" in getting Shearer what evidence is there to suggest that this bad decision making, out-of-touch communicating and general out-of-their-depth mismanagement won't continue?

 

 

All I hope is that Ashley's biggest fault has been inexperience and that it's been worthwhile because he's learned a great deal from the last 14 months. If he shows he's come through it more willing to listen to those that know the club and the game inside out, rather than those that know buisiness or have no pedigree even at other inferior clubs, then I'd have no problem coming round and giving him my full support.

 

Ashley's biggest fault has been the credit crunch, his second biggest fault has been the people he brought in around him (barring Keegan, Mort and hopefully Shearer).

 

I think Keegan would have been happy working on a budget and managing expectations accordingly. The only thing Ashley can blame the credit crunch for is being unable to sell the club after the shit hit the fan.

 

I think he would too, but I do think plans shifted after Ashley suddenly lost 1/3-1/2 of his paper value and quite a bit of his cash value and realised that he wouldn't be getting it back any time soon.

 

Plus I don't think Wise would have got all the power he managed to grasp in different climate.

[Happy Face 29]

It's annoying to think that we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place if Ashley and co had listened to KK in the first place. Dismantling the management pyramid in April (under pressure from Shearer) when they could, and should, have done it in September at Keegan's insistence. Rank bad decision making. And, although they might have "thrown a six" in getting Shearer what evidence is there to suggest that this bad decision making, out-of-touch communicating and general out-of-their-depth mismanagement won't continue?

 

 

All I hope is that Ashley's biggest fault has been inexperience and that it's been worthwhile because he's learned a great deal from the last 14 months. If he shows he's come through it more willing to listen to those that know the club and the game inside out, rather than those that know buisiness or have no pedigree even at other inferior clubs, then I'd have no problem coming round and giving him my full support.

Would stick in my craw a bit tbh.

Can't see the scenario happening anyway.

 

 

Even after all this, after being a most voiciferous critic, I'm still young and idealistic and full of hope.

 

Yes We Can!

[Guest alex]

It's annoying to think that we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place if Ashley and co had listened to KK in the first place. Dismantling the management pyramid in April (under pressure from Shearer) when they could, and should, have done it in September at Keegan's insistence. Rank bad decision making. And, although they might have "thrown a six" in getting Shearer what evidence is there to suggest that this bad decision making, out-of-touch communicating and general out-of-their-depth mismanagement won't continue?

 

 

All I hope is that Ashley's biggest fault has been inexperience and that it's been worthwhile because he's learned a great deal from the last 14 months. If he shows he's come through it more willing to listen to those that know the club and the game inside out, rather than those that know buisiness or have no pedigree even at other inferior clubs, then I'd have no problem coming round and giving him my full support.

 

Ashley's biggest fault has been the credit crunch, his second biggest fault has been the people he brought in around him (barring Keegan, Mort and hopefully Shearer).

 

I think Keegan would have been happy working on a budget and managing expectations accordingly. The only thing Ashley can blame the credit crunch for is being unable to sell the club after the shit hit the fan.

 

I think he would too, but I do think plans shifted after Ashley suddenly lost 1/3-1/2 of his paper value and quite a bit of his cash value and realised that he wouldn't be getting it back any time soon.

 

Plus I don't think Wise would have got all the power he managed to grasp in different climate.

Were KK's comments after the Chelsea game before or after the 'credit crunch' hit home? And he was pissed off about Modric before that too.

[NJS 3986]

Were KK's comments after the Chelsea game before or after the 'credit crunch' hit home? And he was pissed off about Modric before that too.

 

Banks knew a shitstorm was coming in about September/October 2007 but it wasn't really thought of of being that bad until the middle of last year.

 

However it was March 2008 that Ashley supposedly lost £200m on HBOS shares - a fact which I've said before shows that he is a fucking imbecile.

[Guest alex]

Were KK's comments after the Chelsea game before or after the 'credit crunch' hit home? And he was pissed off about Modric before that too.

 

Banks knew a shitstorm was coming in about September/October 2007 but it wasn't really thought of of being that bad until the middle of last year.

 

However it was March 2008 that Ashley supposedly lost £200m on HBOS shares - a fact which I've said before shows that he is a fucking imbecile.

That's down to him rather than the credit crunch then. He didn't exactly give Allardyce loads to spend prior to that though and I'm not convinced he ever intended to give KK a lot either.

[NJS 3986]

He didn't exactly give Allardyce loads to spend prior to that though and I'm not convinced he ever intended to give KK a lot either.

 

I'd find it interesting to ask him whether he would have put a load in for transfers if we'd been debt free when he bought the club - I don't think the £100m would have been there but maybe a fair bit of it.

[sammynb 2929]

I'm really hoping that Shearer is here at the request of new owners, that cunt face Ashley has agreed to get out of dodge for a realistic price and that the buyers have insisted on Shearer and staying up - hence the lack of 'commitment' in the media after the next 8 games.

 

I'm also hoping danny b disappears up his own arse for good.

 

Somedays we can only live in hope.

[Guest alex]

He didn't exactly give Allardyce loads to spend prior to that though and I'm not convinced he ever intended to give KK a lot either.

 

I'd find it interesting to ask him whether he would have put a load in for transfers if we'd been debt free when he bought the club - I don't think the £100m would have been there but maybe a fair bit of it.

I appreciate he paid over the odds (his fault again) but it would have cost more had it been debt free. It's completely irrelevent though imo since what club is debt free? Especially one trying to compete.

Also, why did he 'have' to pay all the debt off straight away if he wanted to have a go at competing for honours etc? I'm not knowledgable enough in financial matters to know but I'd guess it was to do with making the club more attractive to potential buyers.

Edited April 2, 2009 by alex

[Fop 1]

Were KK's comments after the Chelsea game before or after the 'credit crunch' hit home? And he was pissed off about Modric before that too.

 

Banks knew a shitstorm was coming in about September/October 2007 but it wasn't really thought of of being that bad until the middle of last year.

 

However it was March 2008 that Ashley supposedly lost £200m on HBOS shares - a fact which I've said before shows that he is a fucking imbecile.

That's down to him rather than the credit crunch then. He didn't exactly give Allardyce loads to spend prior to that though and I'm not convinced he ever intended to give KK a lot either.

 

It was down the worsening financial situation, I mean yes you can argue about when the "credit crunch" actually hit, but it was never really a point effect, but more a tsunami coming in (with share prices dropping like the tide going out).

 

But Ashley certainly bought at what was still probably the peak of blind optimism and was used to money making money, but only a few weeks later things started to noticeably shift in the world.

[Guest alex]

Were KK's comments after the Chelsea game before or after the 'credit crunch' hit home? And he was pissed off about Modric before that too.

 

Banks knew a shitstorm was coming in about September/October 2007 but it wasn't really thought of of being that bad until the middle of last year.

 

However it was March 2008 that Ashley supposedly lost £200m on HBOS shares - a fact which I've said before shows that he is a fucking imbecile.

That's down to him rather than the credit crunch then. He didn't exactly give Allardyce loads to spend prior to that though and I'm not convinced he ever intended to give KK a lot either.

 

It was down the worsening financial situation, I mean yes you can argue about when the "credit crunch" actually hit, but it was never really a point effect, but more a tsunami coming in (with share prices dropping like the tide going out).

 

But Ashley certainly bought at what was still probably the peak of blind optimism and was used to money making money, but only a few weeks later things started to noticeably shift in the world.

Fair do's there. As you can see above though I question his motives anyway.

[Fop 1]

Were KK's comments after the Chelsea game before or after the 'credit crunch' hit home? And he was pissed off about Modric before that too.

 

Banks knew a shitstorm was coming in about September/October 2007 but it wasn't really thought of of being that bad until the middle of last year.

 

However it was March 2008 that Ashley supposedly lost £200m on HBOS shares - a fact which I've said before shows that he is a fucking imbecile.

That's down to him rather than the credit crunch then. He didn't exactly give Allardyce loads to spend prior to that though and I'm not convinced he ever intended to give KK a lot either.

 

It was down the worsening financial situation, I mean yes you can argue about when the "credit crunch" actually hit, but it was never really a point effect, but more a tsunami coming in (with share prices dropping like the tide going out).

 

But Ashley certainly bought at what was still probably the peak of blind optimism and was used to money making money, but only a few weeks later things started to noticeably shift in the world.

Fair do's there. As you can see above though I question his motives anyway.

 

Aye we'll never know for sure what he actually intended, and frankly there's been that much thrown around since then that I'd be surprised if even Ashley still knows for sure.

[tinofbeans 86]

some might say, too little too late.

 

shearer can't splash the cash (yet), but interestingly enough when he was assistant coach or whatever with glenn roeder whe we came 7th, it was probably him instilling the troops with the beleif we could go out there and beat most teams. we did for the most part but were way weaker than we are now defensively and because of him i have a bit of optimism about the coming season if we keep the good players and weed out the shite and overplaid nonces that put on our shirt.

 

I see us drawing against chelsea, with a bit of luck this weekend. I hope this is the start of something better than we've been subjected to in the last couple of years.

[Guest alex]

Were KK's comments after the Chelsea game before or after the 'credit crunch' hit home? And he was pissed off about Modric before that too.

 

Banks knew a shitstorm was coming in about September/October 2007 but it wasn't really thought of of being that bad until the middle of last year.

 

However it was March 2008 that Ashley supposedly lost £200m on HBOS shares - a fact which I've said before shows that he is a fucking imbecile.

That's down to him rather than the credit crunch then. He didn't exactly give Allardyce loads to spend prior to that though and I'm not convinced he ever intended to give KK a lot either.

 

It was down the worsening financial situation, I mean yes you can argue about when the "credit crunch" actually hit, but it was never really a point effect, but more a tsunami coming in (with share prices dropping like the tide going out).

 

But Ashley certainly bought at what was still probably the peak of blind optimism and was used to money making money, but only a few weeks later things started to noticeably shift in the world.

Fair do's there. As you can see above though I question his motives anyway.

 

Aye we'll never know for sure what he actually intended, and frankly there's been that much thrown around since then that I'd be surprised if even Ashley still knows for sure.

Put it this way: If he was willing to spend money on us but all that changed because of financial problems of his own doing and those out of his control, couldn't he have just came out and told us that? He's never said as much, he's just moved the goalposts every five minutes about his plan, who's responsible for what etc.

[bobbyshinton 59]

Shearer (IMO) will be here next year regardless of Ashley still owning or not.

 

Everything is pure speculation but I do have a question for PP.

 

If Shearer stays, we stay up and Ashley stays, everyone is happy.

 

Where does that leave NUSC, are they still needed, what will be their objectives. I honestly believe the best fans representatives are those who go to the match and make thier opinions kinown at the match. Not looking for a bite just interested.

 

Eh? the fact you've had to ask that question surprises me but Christmas Tree has already answered that tbh.

 

I would totally disagree that the bit in bold will make many people happy tbh, if however Ashley stays and he starts to run the club like a football club should be ran then things will be different.

 

As for what will be our objectives, what exactly is it you think our objectives are now? All we've asked for from the start is change, change from the shit that was happening to this club, this is a definite start and something that should rightly be applauded but its not a long term change, its a short term, get us out of the shite change. Its not a result, its not a guarantee that next year we wont be in the same position only this time without the chance of Al coming in and saving the day.

 

The supporters club is there for the supporters, to fight their corner when things arent quite right. To stand up for them when stewards take their job too far, when the club denies the repayment of VAT money that is rightfully theirs. Its also there to allow the fans to get their views forward, regardless of what anyone says it does allow that, the backing of a membership of 1100 plus gives a far bigger chance of Bobby Shinton being heard than if he shouts on his own.

 

More importantly though the SC is there for the members, it will become what they make it.

 

As I said I meant Shearer, Ashley and the club management (everyone) is happy.

 

No one expects Bobby Shinton being heard by himself. My organisation, the fans at the match were heard though (unless that was NUSC) You seem to be very defensive every time some one questions or disagrees with NUSC. By the way (my little bite oooooooooooooh 1100 members) . Heaton Bingo have more

[peasepud 59]

Shearer (IMO) will be here next year regardless of Ashley still owning or not.

 

Everything is pure speculation but I do have a question for PP.

 

If Shearer stays, we stay up and Ashley stays, everyone is happy.

 

Where does that leave NUSC, are they still needed, what will be their objectives. I honestly believe the best fans representatives are those who go to the match and make thier opinions kinown at the match. Not looking for a bite just interested.

 

Eh? the fact you've had to ask that question surprises me but Christmas Tree has already answered that tbh.

 

I would totally disagree that the bit in bold will make many people happy tbh, if however Ashley stays and he starts to run the club like a football club should be ran then things will be different.

 

As for what will be our objectives, what exactly is it you think our objectives are now? All we've asked for from the start is change, change from the shit that was happening to this club, this is a definite start and something that should rightly be applauded but its not a long term change, its a short term, get us out of the shite change. Its not a result, its not a guarantee that next year we wont be in the same position only this time without the chance of Al coming in and saving the day.

 

The supporters club is there for the supporters, to fight their corner when things arent quite right. To stand up for them when stewards take their job too far, when the club denies the repayment of VAT money that is rightfully theirs. Its also there to allow the fans to get their views forward, regardless of what anyone says it does allow that, the backing of a membership of 1100 plus gives a far bigger chance of Bobby Shinton being heard than if he shouts on his own.

 

More importantly though the SC is there for the members, it will become what they make it.

 

As I said I meant Shearer, Ashley and the club management (everyone) is happy.

 

No one expects Bobby Shinton being heard by himself. My organisation, the fans at the match were heard though (unless that was NUSC) You seem to be very defensive every time some one questions or disagrees with NUSC. By the way (my little bite oooooooooooooh 1100 members) . Heaton Bingo have more

 

You didnt get a bite tbh, you asked a pointless question but I still took the time to give you an answer.