desmondTUTU 0 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Yeah I'm certain Salah is a good player. It's just the way they do it though, Liverpool scouted him for three months and Chelsea get wind of it before asking to be kept up to date on the progress of the deal. Then Liverpool put in an offer and Chelsea just jump in and take him, right at the last minute. EDIT - which also renders all the time, money and effort that Liverpool have spent working out if this guy is right for the team, how to integrate him etc, utterly wasted. And thus prevents them finding as good a replacement in time. Wouldn't suprise me if the clubs had good spies following scouts from other cubs around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Yeah I'm certain Salah is a good player. It's just the way they do it though, Liverpool scouted him for three months and Chelsea get wind of it before asking to be kept up to date on the progress of the deal. Then Liverpool put in an offer and Chelsea just jump in and take him, right at the last minute. EDIT - which also renders all the time, money and effort that Liverpool have spent working out if this guy is right for the team, how to integrate him etc, utterly wasted. And thus prevents them finding as good a replacement in time. They have gone after players that their immediate rivals have been scouting for a long time it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Another player in it for the cash either way, not the kind of player a club looking to challange the top 4 needs, and he'll never get a game at chelsea either he's an 11m injury backup after getting rid of mata and debruyne All the more reason it looks like a Liverpool sabotage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Another player in it for the cash either way, not the kind of player a club looking to challange the top 4 needs, and he'll never get a game at chelsea either he's an 11m injury backup after getting rid of mata and debruyne Not sure about that, he apparently wanted to go to Liverpool for that exact reason. But Chelsea offered more, it's not like Basel were going to take Liverpool's £9-10m over Chelsea's £11m+add ons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Besty 4 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Building a decent team for the future though if you include Lukaku, Courtois, etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Building a decent team for the future though if you include Lukaku, Courtois, etc Lukaku will never be a Chelsea regular imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Think the point is Chelsea had little or no interest in Willian, Salah and even Zouma and then suddenly come in with bigger bids...Rayvin has a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Maybe Ashley and Carr have this figured out to an extent we have bought players in the past where there was little or no reporting until the last moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ULSTER MAG 0 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Did I hear right on Sunday that Chelsea have more than 20 players out on loan in various leagues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 and Salah - Newcastle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 and Salah - Newcastle That is not a bad shout... could be. Next season of course, but could be. We could be next year's Everton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 They rate Moses so little they loaned him to Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 They rate Moses so little they loaned him to Liverpool. Yeah I thought that might disprove the theory actually, but he's been awful for Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Yeah I thought that might disprove the theory actually, but he's been awful for Liverpool. Kicks it anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 They rate Moses so little they loaned him to Liverpool. Maybe they paid a bit for his loan or chelsea wanted moses in particular to go to a top 6 team. Not saying its a hard and fast rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Lukaku looking at his stats has had his best games against Liverpool, ManU and us. The plot thickens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 4964 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Nothing like a good conspiracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hostile_statue 0 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) He said this last year too I think, after all of our strengthening. Basically, teams that played Man Utd for the second time in the season before the window are not playing the same team as the ones who play them later. Man U strengthen and become a bigger challenge for those that follow. I'm not saying it's a good argument, but he's basically saying that Chelsea are using the transfer window to tactically reinforce other teams in order to improve their chances of taking points of Arsenal/City. Hence his comment about the deal not going through until after Chelsea played Man U. Yeah, of course he's pushing for the january transfer window to be abolished but it's the "fairness for everybody" thing that's a bit silly, like Mourinho is somehow breaking the rules. The transfer window is a part of football, of course clubs like Chelsea will act like this. Arsene could as well, probably have, even if Arsenal don't have Chelsea's financial muscles. EDIT: And let's not forget that Chelsea is letting a very good player go. Edited January 23, 2014 by hostile_statue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Yeah, of course he's pushing for the january transfer window to be abolished but it's the "fairness for everybody" thing that's a bit silly, like Mourinho is somehow breaking the rules. The transfer window is a part of football, of course clubs like Chelsea will act like this. Arsene could as well, probably have, even if Arsenal don't have Chelsea's financial muscles. EDIT: And let's not forget that Chelsea is letting a very good player go. Fell out with the special one though and they are getting 37 million for him. No favours really is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) He's exactly the player ManU don't need right now. A work-shy trick-horse who dissapears for long parts of the game and can't dominate a midfield. Cracking on his day tho. Man U need two midfield bosses right now who can get about for 90min and have decent passing and game intelligence. Not Mata. Mata thrives in a team that has the midfield locked out...Not ManU. Edited January 23, 2014 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 He's exactly the player ManU don't need right now. A work-shy trick-horse who dissapears for long parts of the game and can't dominate a midfield. Cracking on his day tho. Man U need two midfield bosses right now who can get about for 90min and have decent passing and game intelligence. Not Mata. Cabaye and someone else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Cabaye and someone else Yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
desmondTUTU 0 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 Moyes needs to get his fucking head straight first in any case. How can it look from the players perspective to see Moyes floundering nervously up and down the touchline shrugging his shoulders and shaking his head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 70 Posted January 23, 2014 Share Posted January 23, 2014 (edited) They've been looking at Strootman for yonks (box to box with engine). Lars Bender would be good...Big tackle, big engine. Marichisio (would be 40m) or Gundogan would be ideal for the PL. I suspect they got Moyes as they are trying to do things conservatively and were scared of Mourinho. Moyes will ruin Mata anyway. Moyes sides do too much crossing of the shut eyes variety and he has little experience of controlling games and too much of a grinder for me. Edited January 23, 2014 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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