Kid Dynamite 5907 Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 I suppose time will tell heres hoping Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sima Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 in his first season at juventus I think not. Be pendantic if you like and pick apart my examples but the fact remains, hes played first tem football less than 6months and never really let us down. 1 mistake and we are ready to axe him 106403[/snapback] Henry played for Monaco before Juventus ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieshandy 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Ramage played last season as well did he not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5907 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 (edited) in his first season at juventus I think not. Be pendantic if you like and pick apart my examples but the fact remains, hes played first tem football less than 6months and never really let us down. 1 mistake and we are ready to axe him 106403[/snapback] Henry played for Monaco before Juventus ffs. 106448[/snapback] yep, and 20 goals in 110 games proves my point Edited March 14, 2006 by J69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 in his first season at juventus I think not. Be pendantic if you like and pick apart my examples but the fact remains, hes played first tem football less than 6months and never really let us down. 1 mistake and we are ready to axe him 106403[/snapback] Henry played for Monaco before Juventus ffs. 106448[/snapback] yep, and 20 goals in 110 games proves my point 106593[/snapback] Hardly. It's not a terrible return for a young left winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieshandy 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 in his first season at juventus I think not. Be pendantic if you like and pick apart my examples but the fact remains, hes played first tem football less than 6months and never really let us down. 1 mistake and we are ready to axe him 106403[/snapback] Henry played for Monaco before Juventus ffs. 106448[/snapback] yep, and 20 goals in 110 games proves my point 106593[/snapback] Hardly. It's not a terrible return for a young left winger. 106607[/snapback] Compares favourably with another young french left winger (is it 4 in 50?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChocChip 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Ramage will only be decent if he plays very intelligently imo. This is because he's slow, not very strong, not a great jumper (decent timing though), not a great tackler and seriously average at football. To make up for this he must play with great awareness and excellent decision making becasue he has no physical attributes to rely on to get him out of trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 To be fair though the likes of Shearer were playing top level football in their teens. Ramage is what 22 if he was going to be good enough he would have made the breakthrough long before now. 106351[/snapback] hes not good enough according to you. and the facts are ' terry, schevchencko and nistlerooy did very little in their first season' i suppose tony adams would have made the breakthrough long before 22 if he was going to be good enough? 106417[/snapback] Fact? Van Nistelrooy scored 13 goals in 30 games in his first season in top flight football in Holland. Shevchenko won the Ukranian footballer of the year in his second full season. John Terry won the Young Player of the year award in his first season. (Chelsea's, not the FA's) Argue for the sake of it if you want, but at least know some facts before attempting debate; otherwise you look stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5907 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 in his first season at juventus I think not. Be pendantic if you like and pick apart my examples but the fact remains, hes played first tem football less than 6months and never really let us down. 1 mistake and we are ready to axe him 106403[/snapback] Henry played for Monaco before Juventus ffs. 106448[/snapback] yep, and 20 goals in 110 games proves my point 106593[/snapback] Hardly. It's not a terrible return for a young left winger. 106607[/snapback] except he was mainly a striker at monaco and became a winger at juve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5907 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 To be fair though the likes of Shearer were playing top level football in their teens. Ramage is what 22 if he was going to be good enough he would have made the breakthrough long before now. 106351[/snapback] hes not good enough according to you. and the facts are ' terry, schevchencko and nistlerooy did very little in their first season' i suppose tony adams would have made the breakthrough long before 22 if he was going to be good enough? 106417[/snapback] Fact? Van Nistelrooy scored 13 goals in 30 games in his first season in top flight football in Holland. ramage has made 1 major mistake in his first season in top flight football Shevchenko won the Ukranian footballer of the year in his second full season. when your only rival is rebrov thats not hard John Terry won the Young Player of the year award in his first season. (Chelsea's, not the FA's) So did Jenas and he shite as well apparently Argue for the sake of it if you want, but at least know some facts before attempting debate; otherwise you look stupid. 106666[/snapback] bovvered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut 9 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 (edited) For Monaco he was mainly on the wing as they played Anderson & Trezeguet up-front most of the time. Edited March 14, 2006 by Optimistic Nut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 For Monaco he was mainly on the win as they played Anderson & Trezeguet up-front most of the time. 106792[/snapback] Was he in the Monaco team that knocked us out of Europe in the mid '90s? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sima Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 (edited) Yes. Edited March 14, 2006 by Sima Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Was Wenger their manager then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sima Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Tigana I think, Wenger was in Japan by that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggiespaws 0 Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 (edited) in his first season at juventus I think not. Be pendantic if you like and pick apart my examples but the fact remains, hes played first tem football less than 6months and never really let us down. 1 mistake and we are ready to axe him 106403[/snapback] Henry played for Monaco before Juventus ffs. 106448[/snapback] yep, and 20 goals in 110 games proves my point 106593[/snapback] Hardly. It's not a terrible return for a young left winger. 106607[/snapback] Compares favourably with another young french left winger (is it 4 in 50?) 106615[/snapback] I think thats a bit of a harsh comparison on the Zog. To be fair, Henry played his seasons at that age in a team in his native country. Thats a little less of a daunting task than playing in a foreign country with a different language etc. Before anyone pulls me up on it - I'm not saying that the Zog is going to be the next Henry in his position, but lets give him a chance too eh? Edited March 15, 2006 by maggiespaws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 I don't think GS is making disparaging remarks about Zoggy, he's using an excellent prospect (Zoggy) to make a point about Henry's statistics being quite good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieshandy 0 Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Sorry, yeah, I wasn't jumping down Zoggys neck, rather as Dotbum points out, comparing someone who everyone regards as being a fairly special prospect with someone who has become one of the best players in the world, but started "slowly". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggiespaws 0 Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Sorry, yeah, I wasn't jumping down Zoggys neck, rather as Dotbum points out, comparing someone who everyone regards as being a fairly special prospect with someone who has become one of the best players in the world, but started "slowly". 106836[/snapback] Ahh, right. *Put's down the stick he's holding and picks it up by the other end * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 To be fair though the likes of Shearer were playing top level football in their teens. Ramage is what 22 if he was going to be good enough he would have made the breakthrough long before now. 106351[/snapback] hes not good enough according to you. and the facts are ' terry, schevchencko and nistlerooy did very little in their first season' i suppose tony adams would have made the breakthrough long before 22 if he was going to be good enough? 106417[/snapback] Fact? Van Nistelrooy scored 13 goals in 30 games in his first season in top flight football in Holland. ramage has made 1 major mistake in his first season in top flight football Shevchenko won the Ukranian footballer of the year in his second full season. when your only rival is rebrov thats not hard John Terry won the Young Player of the year award in his first season. (Chelsea's, not the FA's) So did Jenas and he shite as well apparently Argue for the sake of it if you want, but at least know some facts before attempting debate; otherwise you look stupid. 106666[/snapback] bovvered 106789[/snapback] Struggling to see how any of the points you've made there back up your argument. You stated that all of those players didn't come good until 4 or 5 years into their career in top flight football, and state that it's proof. I'd like to see the proof please, as I've already started to provide proof that it's incorrect. Henry was a winger for Monaco by the way. Only played 4 or 5 games up front for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 BTW J69, I'm not saying Ramage is shite. I'm saying your examples are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5907 Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 my point is . . . . . alot of people on here have written ramage off already after 6months as not good enough. I said henry, shearer, nistelrooy, terry, schevcenko did very little in their first 6 months and look how good they turned out to be so lets give the lad a chance and then you decided to swerve round my point and say my examples were the worst possible ones which had nowt to do with the topic at hand and thats how we ended up here. My starting point is still valid, ramage will serve us well for a long while and will only improve over time. not many players come straight into the first team and hold down a place for 6 months, especially ones who arent good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted March 16, 2006 Author Share Posted March 16, 2006 My ORIGINAL point was not about Ramage TBH - it was about Roeder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 5907 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I know, and I agreed with the sentiment in the first post. Then Scottish Mag piped up saying if he was good enough hed have shown it by now. This is a lad who comes from the area, has played a lot of games games for us, has won plaudits across football, was the subject of interest from arsenal etc., always gives 100percent and he makes one mistake and people are writing him off! It just fucks me right off. Stevie Taylor on the other hand is the next stam/nesta/adams all rolled into one, and hel get better with age apparently! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GafferTape 0 Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 I'm sure this has been mentioned, but Shearer scored a hat-trick on his professional debut. Which by my estimation would be in his first season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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