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that "Freestuff" thing... is it simply that if you get 9 people to fill in an order online, you get a free thing?

 

and the orders, are they "Pay for this online through this website"? or go through this questionnaire type thing, or is it a "Sign up to this poxy newsletter about growing sperm whale sized phallus on your cheek for science?"

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actually just read the T&C and it seems like they have you over a barrel...

they can a) change the t&c any time, in any way, with no notice and they can deny credit without giving a reason, they can alter the value of the products, they can change the products and they can refuse to give you the product, without telling you why, without giving you notice...

 

I'm failing to see anything you can do about it, if they wait until they've sent you all their advertisement crap (plus the 3rd party adverts which they reserve the right to send and give you no chance to deny this information to third parties) then simply refuse to send you that nice shiney miniMac that you were saving up for.

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Hey,

 

First off, it's not a scam and it is fully legit. (This has been features on BBC and the like, I'm trying to find the link now...)

 

It works like this;

 

1) You sign up to a website (usually under someone's referral link).

2) Do an offer, some of those offers are free trials, mostly DVD rental, like ScreenSelect, LoveFilm etc. Other offers are mostly betting sites/casinos - deposit £10minimum is usually the standard.

3) Get a few other people to sign up under your account.

4) Claim your gift.

 

And obviously the number of people you need to sign up and the type of offers that are available vary from one website to another. So if you want an Ipod Nano, you'll need 4 referrals, while for an Xbox or PSP for example, it'll be higher.

 

This is a small gallery of people that have already received their gifts:

http://www.exceem.co.uk/gallery/index.php?c=1 . This is much bigger in the US than it is in the UK at the moment, so the scepticism is still quite high towards these sites in the UK. Also, regarding them sending you spam, I don't think any of the sites do sell on your addresses, a case was recently brought up where the biggest network in the US and UK (Freepay/Gratis) had allegedly sold on their emails, which has caused a huge fuss, with lawsuits being filed and denials coming out from Freepay. Your address may be held on by the betting site/casino/film rental company, but they should have the usual options to allow you to opt out during registration. I haven't had any of these problems to be honest.

 

Please feel free to ask me any more questions, and if you do want to sign up, please have the heart to go through the links in my signature :lol:

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Ok, it's the bits in Bold that leapt off the page for me.

 

I think that the page that your sig leads to may well be fine and dandty in itself, but the pages you're directed to from that one would have no problem in fucking you around. See the bits in Bold. The first one is the scariest for me.

 

Terms and Conditions

 

 

MiniMacGiveaway.co.uk Terms and Conditions

 

Terms and Conditions:

 

Use of this web site assumes that you fully accept and agree to the Terms and Conditions set forth in this document. These Terms & Conditions also state that by signing up, you are certifying you have read and understand our Terms & Conditions as well as our Privacy Policy. Furthermore, you are agreeing to the contents and conditions listed in each.

 

MiniMacGiveaway.co.uk reserves the right to change its Terms & Conditions at any time, for any reason, without notice. :icon_lol:  We also reserve the right to change the methods through which free items are earned :lol: . This may include, but is not limited to, increasing the number of referrals you have to earn. We may also add or remove any product listed as an incentive at any time. If we replace a product, the new product may not be of equal value. :lol:

 

We reserve the right to change the products or offers at any time, for any reason. :nufc:  :nufc:

 

 

I. Membership

 

1. All users must provide 100% accurate information.

 

2. All shipping addresses must be in the United Kingdom. Addresses outside the United Kingdom will not have items shipped to them.

 

3. Items may not be shipped to PO Boxes.

 

4. Only 1 account is allowed per shipping address. All accounts with the same shipping address will be placed on hold. There is no guarantee that they will ever be taken off of hold.

 

5. One person may not have more then 1 account at MiniMacGiveaway.co.uk, even if they provide different shipping addresses. If a person is suspected of having more then one account, all suspicious accounts will be placed on hold. There is no guarantee that they will ever be taken off of hold.

 

6. Referrals can not be transferred or donated from one account to another. Two or more accounts can not be merged into one account.

 

7. If your account is placed on hold, you are not permitted to create another account. Any user who is found to create an account when they already have an account that is on hold will be banned from MiniMacGiveaway.co.uk.

8. By registering for an account on MiniMacGiveaway.co.uk, you agree to receive any 3rd party messages that we wish to send to you. Including, but not limited to, 3rd party advertisements and offers.

 

9. Any unauthorized use, entry, or hacking into MiniMacGiveaway.co.uk is illegal and is punishable by law. The slightest violation of any law will provide sufficient impetus for us to prosecute the offender to the fullest extent of that law.

 

 

II. Offers

1. Receiving credit for an offer can not be guaranteed. If you believe that you have completed an offer correctly, please open a support ticket with your name, account name, e-mail address, offer completed, and the date that you have completed the offer. We will try to give you credit for that offer, but we can not guarantee that you will receive any form of credit.

 

2. Users must complete the offer by using the link provided by MiniMacGiveaway.co.uk. If you go to the web site directly, use another affiliates link, or go to the offer site by any means other then through this web site, we reserve the right not to give you credit for that offer.

 

3. Users are responsible for saving all confirmation e-mails received by affiliate companies. These e-mails might be needed in the case that manual credit for an offer needs to be given.

 

4. MiniMacGiveaway.co.uk is not responsible for any unknown or unexpected charges that you receive from one or more of our offers. Read the offers terms and conditions before signing up.

 

 

III. Products

 

1. MiniMacGiveaway.co.uk can not guarantee the availability of a product at the time of order. If a product is unavailable, you will be contacted and given an alernative option.

 

2. If any account is suspected of false information in order to gain referrals, that account will be placed on hold immediately. There is no guarantee that they will ever be taken off of hold.

 

3. Users may not receive more then one item.

 

4. In order to order and receive products, the user must currently live in the United Kingdom and provide an address within the United Kingdom.

 

5. Only one account per shipping address is allowed. If more then one account exists for the same shipping address, all of those accounts will be placed on hold. There is no guarantee that any of the accounts will ever be taken off of hold.

 

 

III. Orders

 

1. MiniMacGiveaway.co.uk is not responsible for lost orders due to, but not limited to, incorrect shipping addresses or faults on behalf of the shipping companies.

 

2. MiniMacGiveaway.co.uk does not take returns or exchanges.

 

 

IV. Other Information

 

1. MiniMacGiveaway.co.uk is allowed to place any account on hold for any reason.

 

2. MiniMacGiveaway.co.uk is allowed to deny credit for any offer for any reason.

 

 

V. Contact Us

 

1. You can contact us at support@giveawaynetwork.co.uk

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I agree that those T+Cs do look to be weighed against the individual and for the company. I think that the first highlighted bit is probably to cover for changes in prices of whatever it is they're giving away. But those extremes in the T+Cs are hardly ever implemented (if ever), there have been one or two websites intending scam, but this gets found out very quickly.

 

The link I posted above, to exceem.co.uk , has quite a lively forum. It's a leading UK community for verifying the 'giveaway networks', a lot of the site owners that actually run those giveaway networks are also regulars on the exceem forum, so there is a trust in respected and established sites.

 

It seems that the piece that the BBC used is no longer on their website, the best I can in terms of coverage for this time of night is this:

http://www.wired.com/news/mac/0,2125,64614,00.html

 

http://www.anything4free.com/forums/index....&module=gallery

 

That link is the American version of Exceem, and that's the 'proof' gallery of pictures their members have sent in. It is huge in America, much bigger than it is here, and it is scary when you go on their forums and there's people there that have received $14-15,000 worth of freebies.

 

I fully understand your scepticism, I had to read up on this for a fair bit to make sure this 'business' is fully legit, and there is plentyful evidence that it is. :lol:

 

I'm happy to answer any questions on this, although it's getting on a bit, need to catch a couple hours of sleep.

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Hey,

 

First off, it's not a scam and it is fully legit. (This has been features on BBC and the like, I'm trying to find the link now...)

 

It works like this;

 

1) You sign up to a website (usually under someone's referral link).

2) Do an offer, some of those offers are free trials, mostly DVD rental, like ScreenSelect, LoveFilm etc. Other offers are mostly betting sites/casinos - deposit £10minimum is usually the standard. 

3) Get a few other people to sign up under your account.

4) Claim your gift.

 

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Mate, that's a pyramid scheme, guys like you don't usually benefit from it. I'd also suggest that you have a think about the difference between "within the boundaries of the law" and "legit". And I love the fact you've given them permission to spam you; they sound like real stand-up guys. :lol:

 

You're wasting your time with it on here anyway, I think people on here have a bit more cop on; except maybe Gemmill, who will struggle between knowing better and being a tight git. :lol:

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Hey, I'm not tight you knobber! :lol:

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But you never carry cash :nufc:

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Cards is where it's at. :lol:

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Hey, I'm not tight you knobber! :nufc:

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But you never carry cash :icon_lol:

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Cards is where it's at. :lol:

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But not so great for pre-match drinks! Are they?! :nufc::lol:

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Mate, that's a pyramid scheme, guys like you don't usually benefit from it.  I'd also suggest that you have a think about the difference between "within the boundaries of the law" and "legit".  And I love the fact you've given them permission to spam you; they sound like real stand-up guys. :lol:

 

You're wasting your time with it on here anyway, I think people on here have a bit more cop on; except maybe Gemmill, who will struggle between knowing better and being a tight git. :icon_lol:

 

Technically, it's not a pyramid scheme. In a pyramid scheme, those that join have to pay something to someone 'above' them in the pyramid to get any gain. Here, it's free. :angry: . I haven't spent anything on this, so there's not much to lose to be honest.

 

I haven't seen spam to be an issue, apart from one case I mentioned earlier. It's in the interest of the company to sign up as many people as they can, so if spam was a problem, it would deter a whole load of potential sign-ups.

Oh and if you've got a couple of minutes, this may be interesting:

 

http://www.bankrate.com/brm/news/pf/20050520a1.asp

 

By the way, I'm not here to spam or anything, just answering a question about my sig like. :angry:

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Have you got any free stuff off them yet?

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This is where it's all going to fall apart, I can tell. :lol:

 

I haven't personally, no. But, I've only literally just started a couple of weeks back.

 

I do promise you do that these people have got their stuff through these websites:

http://www.exceem.co.uk/gallery/index.php?c=1

 

I mean if a little charva from that site can get over a grands worth of free stuff in a couple of months, why can't normal people?

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I was all game when my mate got one, a load of us applied but they found a loophole to jip everyone of us.

 

Send 1 ipod to every hundredth applicant and all their mates will try.

 

Scamadamadingdong.

 

Apologies to anyone who clicked the link I had in my sig. :lol:

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By the way, I'm not here to spam or anything, just answering a question about my sig like.  :icon_lol:

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No, in fairness you've taken it on the chin. :lol:

 

Where did you get the definition of a pyramid scheme neccesitating some sort of pay-to-play system? It's certainly a type of pyramid scheme, but a less and less common one, MLM seems to be the more common term nowadays but that's just semantics. It's not that the bottom rung lose money, but time, which equates to the same thing. I had a read of this article, and this is really what I'm on about:

 

So the question again becomes, how do these companies make money? The secret, says Alex Zhardanovsky, lies in something called "breakage." Zhardanovsky is the co-founder of AzoogleAds, an online ad agency that connects companies such as Gratis with advertisers such as Blockbuster and Stamps.com. According to Zhardanovsky, who says that Gratis' fee per lead is usually more in the $30 to $40 range, "most consumers will not fulfill all the requirements of the program, and will not receive their iPod."

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I was all game when my mate got one, a load of us applied but they found a loophole to jip everyone of us.

 

Send 1 ipod to every hundredth applicant and all their mates will try.

 

Scamadamadingdong.

 

Apologies to anyone who clicked the link I had in my sig. :icon_lol:

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There have been scams, yes, but then there are sites that are certified and supported by respected online communities, like Exceem. They do not allow sites on there that have either not been proven to be real or look at all suspicious. The idea is to use the bigger companies that have already sent out a high number of gifts, rather than new upstarts.

 

For example, a new site has come out offering a scooter for something like 50 referrals, among other things. Now, I wouldn't mind a scooter, but no way am I signing up to that site until they have been proven legit and have sent out gifts for a month or two. It's all about perspective :lol:..

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I was all game when my mate got one, a load of us applied but they found a loophole to jip everyone of us.

 

Send 1 ipod to every hundredth applicant and all their mates will try.

 

Scamadamadingdong.

 

Apologies to anyone who clicked the link I had in my sig. :icon_lol:

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There have been scams, yes, but then there are sites that are certified and supported by respected online communities, like Exceem. They do not allow sites on there that have either not been proven to be real or look at all suspicious. The idea is to use the bigger companies that have already sent out a high number of gifts, rather than new upstarts.

 

For example, a new site has come out offering a scooter for something like 50 referrals, among other things. Now, I wouldn't mind a scooter, but no way am I signing up to that site until they have been proven legit and have sent out gifts for a month or two. It's all about perspective :lol:..

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The site I was using was freeipods. I think it's one of the older one and has had a lot of good media.

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As I said in the other thread, I'd bring this thread back up when I actually get something for free out of this. Got a 4gb Ipod Nano today, going straight to our lass. I'm going away tonight, but will put up a pic of the box and the like in a couple of weeks if need be.

 

It took about a month to complete the site, I then signed up to Blockbuster DVD rental as part of the conditions, stayed on for a month, paid £13 I think it was, for a bunch of DVDs, and about 3-4weeks later got the nano. Not too bad.

 

It wasn't difficult to do, but not the easiest either. If anyone's interested in signing up etc, my website is in my profile i think.

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Yeah, so just to bring this up again, because you know, it's vital for all concerned.. I've received a few things so far for free (or close enough anyway). Haven't really been trying too hard, so it's slowed down a bit, but i've received an ipod nano (which the lass is now in the process of slowly destroying..), an ipod video that's gone to my brother, an xbox360 came the other week, and i've got an order for the Nintendo Wii done, so just waiting for it to come out.. Also would have an order for one of them new 8gb Nanos if I get my skates on and buy some hosting, could get it before christmas..

 

Regarding some of the points raised above, i've yet to be screwed over by any of those sites in any way and haven't received spam whether by email or post.

 

the only real negative aspect was the site i was trying to get a ps3 from - (the same site as j69) has turned a bit shit, and got rid of the free offers, so now i'm halfway to a ps3, and it now being rather difficult to complete as no fucker wants to spend a tenner.. chalk that one down to inexperience i suppose..

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