Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 A great talent and a great career, however he will always be tainted be some of the 'win at all costs' decisions throughout his F1 career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 Dirty rotten cheat in most people opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Manson 0 Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 Maybe someone else will win now for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt 0 Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 Maybe someone else will win now for a change. You mean like world champion 2005 Fernando Alonso? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted September 10, 2006 Author Share Posted September 10, 2006 Maybe someone else will win now for a change. You mean like world champion 2005 Fernando Alonso? Who is also leading the championship this season (only just after today mind, Renault are wobbling) with three races to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 Schumacher's tainted legacy - Beeb By Andrew Benson Motorsport editor Michael Schumacher will head into retirement at the end of this season as the most successful Grand Prix driver of all time, but whether he will be regarded as the greatest is another matter altogether. On pure talent and accomplishments alone, Schumacher belongs in the same bracket as the very best in the history of the sport - the likes of Juan Manuel Fangio, Stirling Moss, Jim Clark, Jackie Stewart, Gilles Villeneuve, Alain Prost and Ayrton Senna. But greatness is about more than ability and trophies. It is also about character and integrity, and that is where Schumacher's claim falls down. Many of Schumacher's greatest races - breathtaking against-the-odds performances such as his victories at Barcelona 1996, Belgium 1997, Hungary 1998 and Canada 2003 - will go down in the annals of the sport. On a personal level, I have no problem with Schumacher. He might be hard to get to one-to-one, but once you pin him down he is always affable, pleasant and helpful. But with all the wonder of Schumacher's talent, and his down-to-earth private persona, comes a dark side. The two are inseparable. And that is what tarnishes his legacy. Too often - particularly so for one of his talent - Schumacher has relied on the unfair advantage to win, either created by himself with controversial manoeuvres on the track or in various means by his backers off it. Sadly, the length of the list of these incidents rivals that of his best drives. Few would have said Damon Hill deserved to be world drivers' champion in 1994 more than Schumacher, but the circumstances in which the German won his first title clouded the achievement. And there have been few years since then in which Schumacher has not been involved in some row or another. In the first few seasons of his career, as Schumacher protested his innocence in these incidents, many observers were prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt. But, as the evidence has stacked up against him, an increasing number have come to accept this as an indelible part of Schumacher's character. 'Lack of class' In moments of extreme pressure - and sometimes not even then - his first reaction is often to protect his position by unsporting means. For a long time, his elevated status in the sport insulated him from the severest public criticism, which tended to come from the media and other outsiders, and was thus more easily shrugged off. But in recent years the indulgence with which he is treated has evaporated, which explains why the gamesmanship he employed to stop qualifying in Monaco this year met with such a violent reaction from his fellow drivers. Tolerance of what many now see as little better than cheating has been at an all-time low this season. Partly this is out of a sense that time was running out on his career, but just as much it is a case of many of his peers finally feeling that enough was enough. Few would concur with Jacques Villeneuve's recent claim that Schumacher's questionable ethics mean that "the day he hangs up his helmet people will just forget him" - his 90 Grand Prix wins and seven world titles, plus all his other achievements, will ensure quite the opposite. But what Villeneuve calls his "lack of class" certainly means Schumacher will not be remembered in quite the way he might have wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo 133 Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 Hated by many, loved by few, respected by all tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 8893 Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 Good, I hope this boring abortion of a "sport" will get less media coverage in Jormany now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted September 10, 2006 Author Share Posted September 10, 2006 As a Ferrari tifosi I'm sorry to see him go, but as someone who enjoyed the 'balls on the line' driving of Gilles Villeneuve and Jean Alesi in red 27, I'm quite looking forward to seeing what the firey Kimi Raikkonen can do in the car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6314 Posted September 10, 2006 Share Posted September 10, 2006 Too bloody right... I have mixed feelings on Scum's retirement. For one, he's been involved in the sport for 15 years and it'll seem odd him not being on the grid. But there's no hiding the fact that he was a lousy cheating bastard. Jimbo, you said earlier that he was respected by all. Not here, I appreciate his driving abilities but the man lost any respect from me due to his crazy actions when usually under pressure. Raikkonen in a Ferrari against Alonso in a McLaren....I can't wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14104 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 If Schumacher's a cheat then so was Senna. Maybe Schumi could die before the end of the season to help his reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6314 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Senna did indeed cheat at Japan in 1990. The difference between the two is that Senna said he was going to do it and carried out his threat, never denying it... Schumacher to this day claims he was totally innocent at Adelaide 94, Jerez 97 & Monaco 04. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34821 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 If Schumacher's a cheat then so was Senna. Maybe Schumi could die before the end of the season to help his reputation. I only read this thread hoping that someone would have called him "Schumi", so I could take the piss. I'm disappointed that it was you, Meenzer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima 0 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Absolute legend. Will go down as one of the best sportsmen of all time. Certainly the best in his field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14104 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 If Schumacher's a cheat then so was Senna. Maybe Schumi could die before the end of the season to help his reputation. I only read this thread hoping that someone would have called him "Schumi", so I could take the piss. I'm disappointed that it was you, Meenzer. I was only doing it to vary my language - proofreader's brain, y'see. Well, it was either that or "Mikey-babes"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17857 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 He did what it took to win. There's a lot of bitter bollocks being spouted on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34821 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 If F1 was anything other than a total snoozefest, I'd maybe contribute something worthwhile to this thread. As things stand............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14104 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Or "Schumatron". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17857 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 If F1 was anything other than a total snoozefest, I'd maybe contribute something worthwhile to this thread. As things stand............ Tell you what, why not start a decent thread of your own. Have you ever started a decent thread btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 14104 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Or "The Schuminator". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34821 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 "Schuuuuu make me feel. Miiiiiighty real." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen 0 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Just as a quick aside, what was it that happened in Monaco '04 relating to Schumi? I can't seem to remember, was it something in qualifying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 34821 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Just as a quick aside, what was it that happened in Monaco '04 relating to Schumi? I can't seem to remember, was it something in qualifying? He pressed a button on his dashboard and blades came out of the side of his tyres, mangling his opponent's car. It'll either be that or the infamous "Oil Slick" button. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen 0 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Just as a quick aside, what was it that happened in Monaco '04 relating to Schumi? I can't seem to remember, was it something in qualifying? He pressed a button on his dashboard and blades came out of the side of his tyres, mangling his opponent's car. It'll either be that or the infamous "Oil Slick" button. The swine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 17857 Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 Just as a quick aside, what was it that happened in Monaco '04 relating to Schumi? I can't seem to remember, was it something in qualifying? He pressed a button on his dashboard and blades came out of the side of his tyres, mangling his opponent's car. It'll either be that or the infamous "Oil Slick" button. If only - now that would make F1 worth watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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