ajax_andy

Bizarre but amazing!

Haha actually not had owt from there for a while... I think you've just sorted out tonights tea for me Never been for years, 5th best chippy I've ever been to. Aye its pretty good like... the portions are massive too which means you only need one bag of chips between two (yeah i'm a cheap skate lol) God damn it i'm really hungry now lol!

Aye well the £70k came from one ITK that I dont know as he posts on a different forum but apparently has got a good track record as far as incoming transfers to Everton. This Sheedy guy says that Ba asked us to meet the Toons demands and would join if we did... I trust him. I'm not surprised no-one on here does as its not what you'd want to hear about a new signing... especially when there is such a low opinion of the club he apparently would rather have joined (allegedly) I could still see Ashley looking at a free transfer and £70k a week being better than £10m and £50k a week for an alternative player, just my opinion tho. He was on £50k at West Ham and it would be extremely rare for a player to leave on a free and move to another club for less money... would be surprised by that massively, especially if there's more than one team bidding for his signiture. Maybe the £70k a week is BS? Who knows... could be less, but even if it is i'd expect it to be somewhere in between 50-70k. Haha nah I think me and you should stick to the photography chat and leave football politics alone why would you everton ITK know about the waged we offer though? i'm not doubting he's well connected with all things everton. it's just common knowledge now because of things the club have said and the fact that senior pros aren't getting improved contracts that we don't offer those wages anymore. so in the case of ba, that's not why you lot lost out to him. sorry Because apparently Ba came back to us and said you'd offered it, and would join us if we offered the same. Maybe he was trying to pull a fast one and play the two teams off against each other if that's not the wage you offered?

Ok so you're using Sunderland as an example, yet its in a different area completely and is again a one club city. I see what you are trying to say, but at the end of the day your point isnt exactly a fair comparison. Manchester would be one that you could compare Liverpool too as this is also a true 2 club city.... Tyne & Wear aint. Anyway this is all getting rather tiresome... Its the same old shite debate, you love your club, I love mine, lets just move on from it as no-one gives a shit... we'll pick up the debate again in the future no doubt, mainly when we finish above you yet again next season or when Ba's knee implodes in the 1st minute of the 1st match of the season I'll keep any info I get regarding your club to myself in future... you're all very defensive and even if I had a video of the negotiations in which Ba gets a £70k a week contract you would still all get up in arms about some Toffee on here daring to tell you something that's not from a geordie lol! It would be nice to share info without hostility, but I guess there's no such thing as a perfect world eh? You mentioned the 'one club city' thing and I was just illustrating that if you look at population (and if you want to, trophies won in the last 40 odd years..and lets face it, you do) that there should be far more people watching football on Merseyside. You can offer an opinion why if you want, but no worries if you don't. Just wanted to make the point. And try not to beleive uncheckable sources on the internet. It does make you appear rather foolish in this thread, and,it has to be said,suffering from a nasty case of sour grapes. ps....you may want to consider how much we payed the player's agent/s if you want to get to the real reason why he came here. Yeah I see where you are going with it, but Sunderland and Newcastle are like Liverpool or Everton and Man City/Utd. Sunderland is a one club city, so everyone from that city supports Sunderland, Newcastle is a one club city, so everyone from that city supports Newcastle. Its a split demographic in Liverpool which ultimately has a knock on effect of how many supporters each gets through their gates per week. So I still dont think its a fair comparison. Well like i said I was sharing info, it all got a bit out of hand and maybe it was niave of me to think that it was worth sharing. I'll keep it to myself in future. No sour grapes though on my behalf... I dont want another injury prone striker, and dont think my club can afford to pay the wages of someone who might harldy play over a 3-5 year contract. Would much rather we sold a player and brought in a young hotshot on lower wages with a long future ahead of him, or at least a large sell on fee. Yes agents fees were apparently very high too (£2m I believe?) which isn't helpful when on a tight budget.

Haha actually not had owt from there for a while... I think you've just sorted out tonights tea for me

Aye well the £70k came from one ITK that I dont know as he posts on a different forum but apparently has got a good track record as far as incoming transfers to Everton. This Sheedy guy says that Ba asked us to meet the Toons demands and would join if we did... I trust him. I'm not surprised no-one on here does as its not what you'd want to hear about a new signing... especially when there is such a low opinion of the club he apparently would rather have joined (allegedly) I could still see Ashley looking at a free transfer and £70k a week being better than £10m and £50k a week for an alternative player, just my opinion tho. He was on £50k at West Ham and it would be extremely rare for a player to leave on a free and move to another club for less money... would be surprised by that massively, especially if there's more than one team bidding for his signiture. Maybe the £70k a week is BS? Who knows... could be less, but even if it is i'd expect it to be somewhere in between 50-70k. Haha nah I think me and you should stick to the photography chat and leave football politics alone

How aren't you getting this? It's excuse making really. Wages for new players tend to be low - before his new contract Tiote was on £10k. Ben Arfa is on £40k. etc etc Not the pie in the sky shit Andy seems to be implying. Again I passed on info from 2 reliable ITK's... you lot are fucking boring the pants off me with your shite. You don't believe them? Fine I really dont care... Like I said i'll keep the info to myself in future. I think I'll stick to the financial reports and some trusted journalists with regards to what's happening at NUFC. Feel free, like I said I wont share any info on here as non of you want to hear it anyway... will save myself a lot of time and agro.

90% of ITK's I wouldn't even give the time of day too... Sheedy on the other hand I would listen to all day long due to his track record.

How aren't you getting this? It's excuse making really. Wages for new players tend to be low - before his new contract Tiote was on £10k. Ben Arfa is on £40k. etc etc Not the pie in the sky shit Andy seems to be implying. Again I passed on info from 2 reliable ITK's... you lot are fucking boring the pants off me with your shite. You don't believe them? Fine I really dont care... Like I said i'll keep the info to myself in future.

Thanks for that, i've e-mailed them so hopefully they will get back to me with some options.

Ok so you're using Sunderland as an example, yet its in a different area completely and is again a one club city. I see what you are trying to say, but at the end of the day your point isnt exactly a fair comparison. Manchester would be one that you could compare Liverpool too as this is also a true 2 club city.... Tyne & Wear aint. Anyway this is all getting rather tiresome... Its the same old shite debate, you love your club, I love mine, lets just move on from it as no-one gives a shit... we'll pick up the debate again in the future no doubt, mainly when we finish above you yet again next season or when Ba's knee implodes in the 1st minute of the 1st match of the season I'll keep any info I get regarding your club to myself in future... you're all very defensive and even if I had a video of the negotiations in which Ba gets a £70k a week contract you would still all get up in arms about some Toffee on here daring to tell you something that's not from a geordie lol! It would be nice to share info without hostility, but I guess there's no such thing as a perfect world eh?

Both but it depends on how you look at it. Our debt is very small compared to most premier league clubs... its the fact the board wont put the clubs long term future at risk that has kept us fairly solvent. However its also this strategy that see's us unable to progress above what we have done.

A foreigner (even if he has been here a while) would have a colder view though Stevie - he'd see Everton's stability as a plus - I think you're right by the way but could see it being true anyway. A foreigner will be aware of Newcastle United over Everton though. He'd see the facilities, regardless what we think of Ashley there's money to invest in the team through the AC money and now Nolan, he'd see we've just signed someone who plays for his adopted country, he's obviously aware of who our transfer targets are, he'd be aware that our stadium is like a Rolls Royce compared to a Talbot Avenger at Goodison, he'd see a fanbase that is akin to U2 compared to Black Lace. He'd see a team that in recent memory were competing in the Champions League in March. Everton are skint, they can't compete with West Brom money wise let alone us, just a totally unattractive proposition. Or he'd see a team that has done nothing for many many years... hell even in your golden patch of the 90's we won more than you lol! He'll see a team that got relegated recently and a graveyard for many foreign footballers who came to you and were never heard of again. So yes you have a nice stadium, but you have a complete mong in charge, you think your reputation as a club is second to none, when anyone I know who supports another team (Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, Sunderland) think your club is a joke. You lurch from one pr disaster to another, one footballing disaster to another, and yet you still think everyone looks at your club through the same rose tinted black and white spectacles you do. Its just not the case. There are 2 sides to every story, you have a lovely stadium, and a very passionate and loyal support... both things should be recognised as being a big positive factor, I have not denied that at any point on this board. However you have MANY bad points to your club, and that is the reason you've won nothing in 50 years and why no-one takes you seriously as a major force in the game... your poor league finishes also back up this viewpoint. My club doesn't have the nice stadium, and has less fans coming through the turnstiles... however you are a one club city and get 55,000... Liverpool is a 2 club city and gets gates of nearly 80,000 between then clubs, so I dont see much difference there. We have excellent stability, consistent high placed finishes, and an excellent manager - all big draws for a player who isn't motivated by just money alone. We take players and develop them, we make them internationals and give them a home where they want to stay for the rest of their careers (in the main part i.e. Cahill, Tim Howard etc) Please stop harping on about being in the champions league nearly a decade or more ago... I can hardly remember it so I hardly think anyone other than you lot give a rats arse about it. The day we care what mackems and Everton think is the day we chuck it? Why would we care? Explain why we would care. It shows we exist that you have an opinion, our only opinion of Everton is that it's a very boring club who no one really cares about and that's it. As for Sunderland they live to hate us. We've won nothing for 42 years not 50 years. No one views us as a major force, aye and they were all piling on Everton to win the Champions League in 2005 eh? Look in the mirror before you say something like that. Why do you use the argument of one club city? I don't see what relevance it has, all you do is highlight the reasons we have a far larger fanbase. This argument about the stadium makes me chuckle too. What relevance does it have? Again you're scoring own goals highlighting our better infrastructure. Everton never fill a 40,000 ground, you'd look like Wigan if you had our stadium. You have no money. Kenwright is skint. It costs £28 to watch your biggest game of the season, you do not have the fanbase or finance to compete. THAT is modern football, and in the past your Ipswich's, your Forest's, your Villa's and Everton's could do something because it was less about the size of your club and more about how well it was organised. The fact is the way things are going, no one will ever compete with Man Utd and Chelsea without a rich benefactor, all I'm doing is giving you reasons why we are a more attractive club for a player than you are, and your counter arguments are pish, especially when you're saying we've won fuck all, and you've won one trophy in 25 year, two bald cunts arguing over a comb that mate. Besides in the last 15 years at least we've put title bids together, correct me if am wrong but I'd be amazed if you've had a Premiership season where you've been within 25 points of the champions. Sorry 42 years... those 8 years make such a difference now that you've pointed it out Other than wages I dont think you are an attractive club... I dont the we are either... The top 6 are, yet you, us and the rest are always going to be 2nd choice to any player wishing to move to this country. You see i can admit that... shame you lot think the sun shines out of St James' rear car park

A foreigner (even if he has been here a while) would have a colder view though Stevie - he'd see Everton's stability as a plus - I think you're right by the way but could see it being true anyway. A foreigner will be aware of Newcastle United over Everton though. He'd see the facilities, regardless what we think of Ashley there's money to invest in the team through the AC money and now Nolan, he'd see we've just signed someone who plays for his adopted country, he's obviously aware of who our transfer targets are, he'd be aware that our stadium is like a Rolls Royce compared to a Talbot Avenger at Goodison, he'd see a fanbase that is akin to U2 compared to Black Lace. He'd see a team that in recent memory were competing in the Champions League in March. Everton are skint, they can't compete with West Brom money wise let alone us, just a totally unattractive proposition. Or he'd see a team that has done nothing for many many years... hell even in your golden patch of the 90's we won more than you lol! He'll see a team that got relegated recently and a graveyard for many foreign footballers who came to you and were never heard of again. So yes you have a nice stadium, but you have a complete mong in charge, you think your reputation as a club is second to none, when anyone I know who supports another team (Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, Sunderland) think your club is a joke. You lurch from one pr disaster to another, one footballing disaster to another, and yet you still think everyone looks at your club through the same rose tinted black and white spectacles you do. Its just not the case. There are 2 sides to every story, you have a lovely stadium, and a very passionate and loyal support... both things should be recognised as being a big positive factor, I have not denied that at any point on this board. However you have MANY bad points to your club, and that is the reason you've won nothing in 50 years and why no-one takes you seriously as a major force in the game... your poor league finishes also back up this viewpoint. My club doesn't have the nice stadium, and has less fans coming through the turnstiles... however you are a one club city and get 55,000... Liverpool is a 2 club city and gets gates of nearly 80,000 between then clubs, so I dont see much difference there. We have excellent stability, consistent high placed finishes, and an excellent manager - all big draws for a player who isn't motivated by just money alone. We take players and develop them, we make them internationals and give them a home where they want to stay for the rest of their careers (in the main part i.e. Cahill, Tim Howard etc) Please stop harping on about being in the champions league nearly a decade or more ago... I can hardly remember it so I hardly think anyone other than you lot give a rats arse about it. Of the last 12 seasons, you have finished above us 6 times and we have finished above you 6 times yet you have the temerity to write that no one takes us seriosuly because of our because of our poor league finishes and you are a big draw because of your consistent high finishes. Do you realise how much of a wanker that makes you sound? In the last 6 seasons we've finshed above you... how many footballers are gonna give a fuck where you finished 12-6 years ago? So yes finishing 6th, 5th,5th, 8th, 7th will be a draw for a player over a team who have finished 12th, 12th, 18th (relegated), N/A, 12th If you think its not then I can't help you i'm afraid. Its not just your poor finishes in recent times, its the way your club conducts its business. I'm responding to the fact you said people see your club as being a shiny beacon of awesomeness, when in fact anyone I know who supports someone else thinks the complete opposite.

Nowhere really, just consolidating in the top 7 or 8... unless you have billions to spend I dont see how anyone can compete with the teams currently making up the top 6. And no the Toon can't compete with them either before anyone suggests they can

I want to get the wife some drawing lessons as she really enjoys it, but doesn't think she's very good (she's actually pretty good though). Does anyone know where they do a kind of drop in session? Or somewhere with more structured lesssons?

The Ba-gain of the century perhaps? Ok sorry that was pretty bad i'll admit

A foreigner (even if he has been here a while) would have a colder view though Stevie - he'd see Everton's stability as a plus - I think you're right by the way but could see it being true anyway. A foreigner will be aware of Newcastle United over Everton though. He'd see the facilities, regardless what we think of Ashley there's money to invest in the team through the AC money and now Nolan, he'd see we've just signed someone who plays for his adopted country, he's obviously aware of who our transfer targets are, he'd be aware that our stadium is like a Rolls Royce compared to a Talbot Avenger at Goodison, he'd see a fanbase that is akin to U2 compared to Black Lace. He'd see a team that in recent memory were competing in the Champions League in March. Everton are skint, they can't compete with West Brom money wise let alone us, just a totally unattractive proposition. Or he'd see a team that has done nothing for many many years... hell even in your golden patch of the 90's we won more than you lol! He'll see a team that got relegated recently and a graveyard for many foreign footballers who came to you and were never heard of again. So yes you have a nice stadium, but you have a complete mong in charge, you think your reputation as a club is second to none, when anyone I know who supports another team (Arsenal, Everton, Liverpool, Sunderland) think your club is a joke. You lurch from one pr disaster to another, one footballing disaster to another, and yet you still think everyone looks at your club through the same rose tinted black and white spectacles you do. Its just not the case. There are 2 sides to every story, you have a lovely stadium, and a very passionate and loyal support... both things should be recognised as being a big positive factor, I have not denied that at any point on this board. However you have MANY bad points to your club, and that is the reason you've won nothing in 50 years and why no-one takes you seriously as a major force in the game... your poor league finishes also back up this viewpoint. My club doesn't have the nice stadium, and has less fans coming through the turnstiles... however you are a one club city and get 55,000... Liverpool is a 2 club city and gets gates of nearly 80,000 between then clubs, so I dont see much difference there. We have excellent stability, consistent high placed finishes, and an excellent manager - all big draws for a player who isn't motivated by just money alone. We take players and develop them, we make them internationals and give them a home where they want to stay for the rest of their careers (in the main part i.e. Cahill, Tim Howard etc) Please stop harping on about being in the champions league nearly a decade or more ago... I can hardly remember it so I hardly think anyone other than you lot give a rats arse about it.

70k is bullshit mate. If he's chosen NUFC over EFC on wages alone it's because you're lowballing. We just don't pay wages like this anymore, it's why we're pushing out the biggest wage earners. It's well documented that we're being tight on wages and transfer fees. Much like yourselves in fact. Could be right mind, they could be aggregating fee and wages so £70/week is only (only !!!) £13Mill over 3 years, just like paying £5Mill for someone and paying them £35K a week (ish) over 3 years (for example). Exactly, I was just about to post the exact same thing... would Ashley rather spend £10m on a striker and pay him £40k a week, or spend nothing and £70k a week. I've been chatting to the Everton lads and the info actually came from 2 people: LCAB who says its £70k a week - he broke the news we were signing Vellios & Eric Dyer a couple of weeks before either were even linked amongst other things. Sheedy who says Ba came back and asked us to match the bid and would join if we did - He broke James Vaughan falling out with Moyes and would be sold in the summer about 4 months ago (nothing had been said until he was sold the other week by anyone else), and Carlo Nash leaving for stoke 2 weeks before anything linked in the press (plus the others I mentioned i.e. Shearer to Cardiff etc). Both excellent sources. Funny thing is that if one of you claimed a very reliable toon ITK said "x or y" then you'd all believe him, but because its an Everton ITK and its not what you want to hear then you jump all over it and say i'm full of shit. Am just passing on the info from a reliable source, take it how you lot want, I have no reason to lie, and equally I have no need to spend my time trying to convince you that the info I have is from a solid source if you fail to even acknowledge there's a possiblity that someone other than a geordie might actually have some info on something related to your club. edit - toonpack thats not aimed at you seeing as you actually talked some sense in your post It's that bit that is beyond believable though in my view. It's the same as every time we get a player Everton are interested in, "he's went for the money". I'd rather sign for someone like Fulham or Sunderland if I was a player personally. That would be a very strange decision to make. Like I said i'm passing on info from 2 reliable sources... you can choose to not believe it. However the fact is its almost nailed on you'll always offer more wages

He knows stuff about Everton, the fact that you were involved in the bid for a players signing along with us means that he knows something. He knows something about this deal, not your club... I never claimed anything other than that.

70k is bullshit mate. If he's chosen NUFC over EFC on wages alone it's because you're lowballing. We just don't pay wages like this anymore, it's why we're pushing out the biggest wage earners. It's well documented that we're being tight on wages and transfer fees. Much like yourselves in fact. Could be right mind, they could be aggregating fee and wages so £70/week is only (only !!!) £13Mill over 3 years, just like paying £5Mill for someone and paying them £35K a week (ish) over 3 years (for example). Exactly, I was just about to post the exact same thing... would Ashley rather spend £10m on a striker and pay him £40k a week, or spend nothing and £70k a week. I've been chatting to the Everton lads and the info actually came from 2 people: LCAB who says its £70k a week - he broke the news we were signing Vellios & Eric Dyer a couple of weeks before either were even linked amongst other things. Sheedy who says Ba came back and asked us to match the bid and would join if we did - He broke James Vaughan falling out with Moyes and would be sold in the summer about 4 months ago (nothing had been said until he was sold the other week by anyone else), and Carlo Nash leaving for stoke 2 weeks before anything linked in the press (plus the others I mentioned i.e. Shearer to Cardiff etc). Both excellent sources. Funny thing is that if one of you claimed a very reliable toon ITK said "x or y" then you'd all believe him, but because its an Everton ITK and its not what you want to hear then you jump all over it and say i'm full of shit. Am just passing on the info from a reliable source, take it how you lot want, I have no reason to lie, and equally I have no need to spend my time trying to convince you that the info I have is from a solid source if you fail to even acknowledge there's a possiblity that someone other than a geordie might actually have some info on something related to your club. edit - toonpack thats not aimed at you seeing as you actually talked some sense in your post

Just to address your main point concerning our relative league positions over the last 12 years: 1999/2000 - 11 Newcastle 38 14 10 14 63 54 9 52 13 Everton 38 12 14 12 59 49 10 50 2000/01 - 11 Newcastle 38 14 9 15 44 50 -6 51 16 Everton 38 11 9 18 45 59 -14 42 2001/02 - 4 Newcastle 38 21 8 9 74 52 22 71 15 Everton 38 11 10 17 45 57 -12 43 2002/03 - 3 Newcastle 38 21 6 11 63 48 15 69 7 Everton 38 17 8 13 48 49 -1 59 2003/04 - 5 Newcastle 38 13 17 8 52 40 12 56 17 Everton 38 9 12 17 45 57 -12 39 2004/05 - 4 Everton 38 18 7 13 45 46 -1 61 14 Newcastle 38 10 14 14 47 57 -10 44 2005/06 - 7 Newcastle 38 17 7 14 47 42 5 58 11 Everton 38 14 8 16 34 49 -15 50 2006/07 - 6 Everton 38 15 13 10 52 36 16 58 13 Newcastle 38 11 10 17 38 47 -9 43 And after this point your mob have finished above us under our disastrous leadership of Mike Ashley. That would make it 6-6 over the last 12 years though, and in our PL return the table looked like this: 2010/11 - 7 Everton 38 13 15 10 51 45 6 54 12 Newcastle 38 11 13 14 56 57 -1 46 Hardly a great deal of difference, and we both beat each other once this season. As for the claims about £70k a week, you clearly have no idea how our club is being run at the moment! Let's not forget the fantastic infrastructure of Newcastle United and the fan base and stadium/facilities on which we have to base ourselves. We are capable of challenging at the very top under the right guidance. PS. Thought having a look back through the Sir Bobby Robson years might cheer up some Toon fans So what your saying is that Everton have finished above Newcastle for the last 6 seasons in a row? Thanks for clearing that up. £70k has come from an Everton ITK with good previous accuracy on things, until someone can confirm one way or another it's the only info we have. He was on £50k a week at West Ham so it's fair to say he'll be on a minimum of that at the very least.

£70k for Demba Ba. Or if thats not true and its less then what is it? £60k, £50k? for a guy who failed 2 seperate medicals in the last 3 years for the same problem? Yes silly money. Aye but if you want to tell me where you're getting that figure from? A guy called "sheedy" who has contacts at Everton, he's pretty much always spot on with his info. Not your usual run of the mill ITK, if he says something it pretty much always pans out the way he says it will. What else has he got? I'm not trying to say you're talking shite but the notion that Ba is on 70k at a club with a wage cap, a club that won't give Enrique what he wants to stay and has routinely said they're lowering the wage bill is hard to believe. I reckon he'll be on about 40k fwiw. Recent stuff would be that we are interested in N'Zogbia, but can't afford to cough up the £4.5m up front... he said this before the media said it. Also Joey Yobo deal to Fenerbache is supposed to be done, but he's said its not as the club can't agree a fee. They have offered £2m but the deal we had in place was £5m I think (loan with view to buy for that price). The deal still hasn't been confirmed despite both sides seeming to indicate that it has been. Ba stalling on a move to the Toon in the hope Everton would match your wage offered Not earth shattering I know, but this is Everton we are talking about and this is pretty hectic as far as our transfer activity goes lol Oh yeah and Shearer to Cardiff long before that came out... although he seemed to think it was a done deal the day before it collapsed.

True, maybe though you could afford to offer him more due to the fact there was no transfer fee involved? Especially if he suceeds and like you say is moved on for a healthy profit? I'm just speculating though. It seems he was on a fair whack at West Ham though so i'd imagine any clubs would of had to start their offers at the £50k he was on and work up from there.