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Honestly I think he'll be forced out from within or throw the towel in himself, go on to have a lucrative book deal as the man who 'got brexit done' and ultimately get a knighthood for his services to queen and country. He will eventually die, will be given a state funeral, and most likely we'll have a statue of him erected. I genuinely believe this country is now ridiculous enough for all of the above to happen.

Daily Mail comment section is calling him a snake and a liar, so yes, I agree with you No one cares anymore, all the matters is the purity of your religious denominatio--I mean political party.

I honestly think he's taken the view that he has nothing to lose from this as he's not a politician and doesn't appear to aspire to be one. So given that, and the fact that the Tories fucked him over for the sake of Boris' missus, I can see why he's rather disinclined to do them any favours here I mean who cares ultimately, he's effectively shooting down every single argument that the Tories actually did a good job with this, in one fell swoop. You would hope Labour will be all over this.

Cummings says there was a meeting where Mark Sedwill, the cabinet secretary, told Boris Johnson that he should go on TV and explain that the herd immunity plan was like chicken pox parties. Cummings says he told Sedwill not to use that analogy. Sedwill queried why. Cummings says he said coronavirus was not like chicken pox, it was spreading exponentially, and thousands of people were dying. "Coronavirus is not like chicken pox... thousands of people are dying" The fact that our government ministers needed basic shit like this spelling out to them is utterly painful.

The Guardian has said he has apologised multiple times, but every single time it seems to be "I'm sorry that I didn't sufficiently manage this group of incompetents" or "I'm sorry I didn't chase them up to do their job" It's beautiful tbf

I think at this point, everyone on all sides is frustrated at everyone else on all sides. Being frustrated isn't unique to the centre That said, we're really talking about the centre right and centre left for the most part. The extremes of left and right hardly ever come into the picture at all. Johnson is moderate right I guess, and Corbyn was moderate left. But Starmer is soft left.

I don't wish death on Johnson but I would ultimately say he was more deserving of being killed off by COVID than a lot of the people it actually killed.

It's only ever right wing commentators who think the left prides itself on being tolerant, man Many left wingers I speak to are now fully murderous over political issues!

Diego knows more about the England set up than I do, apparently

Crow-d of raven lunatics. Robin me of my desire to keep reading.

I am wondering if woke culture has also contributed. I was surprised to see HF basically ignore those comments from Parky and I feel like overall we might have been pushed towards greater sensitivity in language choices over the past ten years, across the board.

So you went from all that kind of rhetoric to me not picking up on antisemitism in a mural that depicted rich people oppressing the world I think it's safe to say that I'm not in that bracket I've had a read through this and can see the consistency of your arguments here over the years, which indicates obviously it's something you feel strongly about. Good points too, interesting to re-read. Can also see my own which I would say are a little more nuanced now in the sense of having a broader understanding of the issue than I once did. I still basically feel the same way though, and blame Western imperialism for having gotten us to where we are.

It is incredibly important that we continue to identify that on the Israeli side of this, the actors in favour of continued aggression are Israeli politicians, and not "the Jews". In the same way that on the other side we consider that Hamas are Palestinian politicians, and not "the Muslims". I'm sure I saw something in the news the other day about people in London driving around and yelling antimisemitic nonsense. How is that helping, seriously. It does need to be a combined solution, and IMO that should mean all citizens as equals, all voting freely, combined Israeli/Palestinian parliament, etc. Let people get on with their lives and relegate the whole issue to history.

He's already had a pop at them for calling for Johnson to be sacked from what I remember seeing on RTG. I wonder how long before he regrets his decision.

Christ. So he fancied himself as a player, gave up - fancied himself in sport management, couldn't hack it despite all his advantages in life, gave up... and now fancies himself as a football club owner. He's exactly what you say he is.

You can only assume he'd never actually been to Sunderland when he made the decision. Otherwise I agree with Howay - I'm tempted to say that he picked them because he had been given a small sum of money (relatively) by his mum to spend on a club and he went looking around for one that was 'undervalued' in order to maximise his potential success from it. I can't believe for a second that some rich trust fund kid specifically went out of his way to choose Sunderland Football Club to invest in despite have billions in the bank.

They imposed a salary cap or something like that though, at club level? i.e. you have to have your overall salary spend within defined parameters consistent with the rest of the league. That fact alone should make bankrolling more difficult. It makes them more sustainable longer term though, arguably - but means they need to escape L1 by being a well constructed and managed team - something they've not managed to be in decades.

That's an incredible drop in revenue, mind. You have to wonder at what point that does lasting damage to the club tbh. I suppose the consequence is that they're now very much reliant on their fans - but with their attendances so low the potential impact of even that is greatly diminished. I think Dreyfus is going to have to bankroll them out of the league really.

So I guess they enjoyed that experience so much, they wanted a re-run

Why on earth did they offload Suarez out to a title contender? I see he scored 21 goals this season. Fucking mental decision.

Thanks for sharing that. For all we can criticise Hamas for the part they play in perpetuating the cycle of violence, I do sometimes wonder if we wouldn't be doing the same and worse if what had happened to Palestine had happened to us. Absolutely hopeless state of affairs for the Palestinian people, they're being persecuted just for being alive.

Followed some of this on RTG. Several on RTG pointing out that their 'fans' were totally invisible in the second half when the team needed them - and then apparently piped up again after the final whistle to applaud the team and sing 'Sunderland till I die'. How the fuck does that work? When your team needs them, fucking silent. When the team has been beaten and condemned to another year in league one - "starting singing marra, we need to prove that unlike the mags, we get behind the team when it matters!". 4 years in League One. The humiliation man. The shame they bring, frankly, on the whole region ffs. I'm tempted to say we just forget about them and move on to Boro being the local rivals, it's actually fairly embarrassing to claim that our derby is meant to be with them. Absolute trash. I don't understand why Toonraider has shown his face either tbh, he must be a glutton for fucking punishment. Spends 3 years taking all manner of shite on here for being an obvious mackem, all the while presumably planning to have his 'moment' where he can get some dig in against us for something and yet time and time again his club have failed him. Despite this, here he is, lubed up and bent over for everyone. We don't even have to go over to RTG to take the piss, we have a mackem prepared to come over and take it. Thanks for your services, Toonraider.

Gonna be an interesting one tonight. Will be a real test of character for that Sunderland team, to see if they can pull out a performance despite the shrill bleating and whining of 10k locals.

Fair.

So my logic was more that if they opened it up to public ownership as per royal mail, and gave priority to average citizens, that there might be enough people who think like us to grab a controlling stake.