Rayvin

I'm struggling with it a bit then because none of the leaders have covered themselves in glory. Maybe just someone smart enough to hold up in debates. Cooper?

100% this. It can't be Corbyn and I think Miller might be too divisive. Maybe a celebrity as a notional figurehead?

In fact, I think the biggest threat is a deal. So if this is his final gambit on that front, good. We need those Tory rebels to stay onside.

Your justification for a lack of optimism, with respect, seems anecdotal. You see some leavers on QT ranting and raving and the vehemency of what they're saying seems to translate somehow into a representation of the number of people who think that way. Honestly, I don't think I'm optimistic - I think I'm realistic. Polls support the statement, the desire to end the whole thing is on Remain's side and even if we do go to vote 2, there's a chance it will be between soft brexit and Remain. Overall, the odds are tilting in our favour if we can just outlast Johnson.

67 straight polls since we voted out have come back as Remain. We won't vote out next time. Remain will have learned, the youth will have learned.

So this won't fly then? I'm with Cummings on this one, if the EU reject it we shouldn't hang around negotiating we should move on to the end game for the whole disaster.

Just watched the video under the one C4 News have posted there with the coffee cup that gets handed to him and then taken away again by a separate handler because they've just pledged to remove all disposable coffee cups by 2023 He has no idea what's going on.

The Tories literally attacking each other now.

A man has been detained by police after pouring a flammable liquid over himself near the Houses of Parliament, the Press Association reports. He's a living metaphor for the UK.

So Bruce has taken the players to one side, yelled at them, cancelled training, and now needs 'clear the air' talks, 7 games into the season. Yes, he has 100% lost that dressing room. I don't think even Ashley will let this continue much longer tbh. What a farce.

I sometimes wonder what opposition fans think when they come on here - presumably they come on expecting to see bravado ahead of games or whatever, and are then bemused to find a group of football nihilists who actively want their club to be relegated and to stay relegated, barely paying any attention to their opponents or the wider footballing world

Like that panel at his conference that was being Islamophobic while discussing the issue.

Who is even buying this anymore? It's totally pointless bollocks. The EU have apparently already dismissed it - I mean, as if they can't see Johnson for what he is ffs.

He's just denied this anyway by the sounds.

I read the guardian and the Mail, the rest are all paywalled or irrelevant and i only give the Mail any sense of relevance because it's the clearest insight into the kinds of the gammons.

I haven't seen the details of this, the guardian isn't reporting it, but it sounds dumb as hell just from your description.

That is superb.

Heaven forbid Bruce manages to get us 17th mind. Delay the whole thing for yet another season...

Yeah but in this instance, the 'devil we know' is enough for me to think it worth the risk.

Sounds good to me.

True. Honestly I don't care now, I just expect us to go down and hope we stay down long enough for Ashley to fuck off. Whether's he's infected by Bruce or cholera, I don't care, as long as he goes.

See, ewerk misses you too.

This is the entire Tory political stance summed up - populist bollocks and deflections to Labour.

I don't get the guitars thing either. I think the politics will calm down once Brexit is done, in about 50 years or so. Anyway, fair enough - just thought it was worth expressing some appreciation, off the back of being a little inebriated.

Well, me either. But the community is enough to keep me around, even if it is largely the politics threads for me. I do appreciate you're a family man with other responsibilities now of course but you're a pillar of the community, not that the community would ever admit it @TheGingerQuiff has been beside himself with you not around.