Rayvin

This is a good point actually He's politically castrated himself. Whether the opposition actually goes through with this humiliation I don't know...

Yeah but the other side of that equation is Corbyn. It's a tough choice for 'moderates'.

How does he get that majority given that presumably, everyone who wants to avoid No Deal voted for this pre-amendment motion tonight. He doesn't have a majority, he's got nothing. His only chance now is a GE.

He didn't have the face of someone who looked like they were getting everything they wanted. And he was humiliated earlier when he had to actually respond to pressing questions. I thought we were inevitably heading for No Deal, but now, seeing his abject performance tonight, I'm actually more positive. No one on the 'No Deal' side had any answers to anything, they just ran away from all questions and scrutiny. He doesn't have the balls to veto the extension. He doesn't even have enough balls to resign when he gets forced to ask for an extension.

I'm not sure about this stance from Corbyn. Ok so the bill gets passed first, great, but if the GE is still pre-exit date, then it potentially changes nothing. A GE isn't the way to solve this. I would have said that simply rejecting the GE, forcing a vote of no confidence and then trying to create a new government through coalition with the sole aim of getting a referendum through, would be the way to go. A GE opens the door for Boris to come back with a bigger mandate.

So this has to be the play for Remain, surely. We can get the motherfucking referendum that way. Labour can walk away without blame cos the people will decide no matter what, and then we can go on from there with the Tories in ruins.

This high theatre of just fascinating. People ask questions and then sit down on their phones, I doubt anyone changes their minds as it happens. What is it for? Until Brexit did anyone actually even pay any attention?

But what would the outcome be if not a GE?

JRM is an absolute charlatan. He's ducked every difficult question.

It might not even need the Lib Dems at the rate the Tories are imploding...

If the amendment passes, and the GE vote fails, can the government be subject to a vote of no confidence anyway? And could a Labour/SNP/Lib Dem coalition take over?

Honestly I reckon those days are used trying to understand what the fuck it is the government has randomly decided to implement for the year ahead.

"Jeremy Corbyn's Surrender Bill" "No precedent for such a bill" - Isn't this the third one we had this year?

Impressed Shearer has waded into it mind.

Beautiful

Why Corbyn, fucking WHY?!

Opposition parties won't vote for GE until Benn passes - so there goes BoJo's bid to shaft us tomorrow.

I still think he's just a figurehead, sadly. Whenever anything relevant happens that he needs to pivot on, he trots out Labour's previously held position, despite it no longer having relevancy, and then two days later he's rolled out with a more nuanced version of the position that they've programmed him with.

Having said that, it does at least sound like Labour are taking all the various threats of moving dates and ignoring laws quite seriously.

I don't understand, seriously, how Corbyn has continuously managed to be the second most terrifying person in the room on Brexit after Johnson. I'd currently rank him ahead of Farage on that metric.

Misread this, sorry. Yeah I agree, hard to imagine him not voting it through.

I don't think it's going to have much to do with Corbyn and personalities this time around. Labour will crash and burn because they don't have the middle class remainers. Why they've not realised this I don't know, but there it is. Ultimately though it doesn't matter, hopefully, because if Labour can get itself to a position of at least committing to a second referendum, and Swinson can handle letting Corbyn be PM, we can have a rainbow coalition of Remain and Remain-lite (Labour), deliver the second referendum and then, very likely, have another GE a bit later on when the country is voting for things other than Brexit (if it looks safe to do so).

Aye true, but they seem to have remained fairly united so far, with the exception of Macron's blustering. If there was a pledge to have an election or referendum this time, I think even he'd swallow it.

In which case Labour shouldn't vote it through. Hopefully this is them establishing their narrative for not doing so.

Yes but with the GE, I think the EU would give us that as a last roll of the dice. From their point of view they're choosing between the worst case scenario and the chance that everything may all go away - they'll choose the latter.