Rayvin

This high theatre of just fascinating. People ask questions and then sit down on their phones, I doubt anyone changes their minds as it happens. What is it for? Until Brexit did anyone actually even pay any attention?

But what would the outcome be if not a GE?

JRM is an absolute charlatan. He's ducked every difficult question.

It might not even need the Lib Dems at the rate the Tories are imploding...

If the amendment passes, and the GE vote fails, can the government be subject to a vote of no confidence anyway? And could a Labour/SNP/Lib Dem coalition take over?

Honestly I reckon those days are used trying to understand what the fuck it is the government has randomly decided to implement for the year ahead.

"Jeremy Corbyn's Surrender Bill" "No precedent for such a bill" - Isn't this the third one we had this year?

Impressed Shearer has waded into it mind.

Beautiful

Why Corbyn, fucking WHY?!

Opposition parties won't vote for GE until Benn passes - so there goes BoJo's bid to shaft us tomorrow.

I still think he's just a figurehead, sadly. Whenever anything relevant happens that he needs to pivot on, he trots out Labour's previously held position, despite it no longer having relevancy, and then two days later he's rolled out with a more nuanced version of the position that they've programmed him with.

Having said that, it does at least sound like Labour are taking all the various threats of moving dates and ignoring laws quite seriously.

I don't understand, seriously, how Corbyn has continuously managed to be the second most terrifying person in the room on Brexit after Johnson. I'd currently rank him ahead of Farage on that metric.

Misread this, sorry. Yeah I agree, hard to imagine him not voting it through.

I don't think it's going to have much to do with Corbyn and personalities this time around. Labour will crash and burn because they don't have the middle class remainers. Why they've not realised this I don't know, but there it is. Ultimately though it doesn't matter, hopefully, because if Labour can get itself to a position of at least committing to a second referendum, and Swinson can handle letting Corbyn be PM, we can have a rainbow coalition of Remain and Remain-lite (Labour), deliver the second referendum and then, very likely, have another GE a bit later on when the country is voting for things other than Brexit (if it looks safe to do so).

Aye true, but they seem to have remained fairly united so far, with the exception of Macron's blustering. If there was a pledge to have an election or referendum this time, I think even he'd swallow it.

In which case Labour shouldn't vote it through. Hopefully this is them establishing their narrative for not doing so.

Yes but with the GE, I think the EU would give us that as a last roll of the dice. From their point of view they're choosing between the worst case scenario and the chance that everything may all go away - they'll choose the latter.

I mean it should actually be treason, surely?

Labour claimed earlier that they will only back a GE if they have cast iron and legal assurances that the campaigning window won't extend past Brexit day (or October 18th I think it was, to be accurate).

I'm struggling to imagine that a Parliament that ruled out No Deal last time around could possibly have changed its mind just because Johnson is at the helm. I think it's a fairly safe bet Parliament will torpedo it today. It's tomorrow where everything gets exciting.

Yep, at least cards will finally be on the table after today.

Honestly I would read this with a sense of openmindedness for his view if it wasn't for the fact that I've seen that video of him celebrating goals against a 14 yr old like its some kind of achievement, and am now literally incapable of respecting anything he says, the narcissistic little fuckhead.

Is there a strategy?