Rayvin

The thread was a bloodbath tbf. It was glorious...

Well played.

That's how I see it too Parky. So for all us talking about fine margins and so on, if that single conversation had never happened, I don't think it'd be anywhere near as close.

As an additional thought to all of this. If the whole pussy grabbing thing had never come to light - or never happened - how badly would Hillary have lost? They were about neck and neck at that point weren't they?

I was just pointing out that logically, if Fox News claim something, and you claim the same thing, and I don't, of the two of us, you're the one who is closest to their position. If this is all the information we have to go on, logically, you'd be the better candidate to work for them. You would need both Fox and myself to be wrong about the same thing for the assertion that I should work for them to hold up. The fact that I was just plainly wrong is beside the point I'm in a ridiculously pedantic mood today, apparently

Some will - this isn't about the left or right any more, really.

Oh I must have missed that. He was re-elected? Or is that interim nonsense still going on? The rest of that comment is interesting You and Fox News both agree that he's the leader of UKIP, I disagree (wrongly, apparently) and yet I'm the one who should work there...?

He is, by all accounts. We really need the left to buck its ideas up, or it's going to be plain sailing for him though.

Fox News think he's leader of the opposition? He isn't even leader of his own party... dear me.

Duly noted.

Is it though? It's not like we even really care about this game now, is it? I don't... We may as well be playing Rotherham for all I care. I think that's a shame!

Thinking about it, I genuinely wouldn't mind seeing Leeds in the PL again. I've always expected them to come back up again and am surprised that they still haven't managed it.

Parky would probably be heading it up.

That's fucking disgraceful

The question then becomes, who would the last person left be? HF, SEW, Parky or myself? Possibly Gemmill as well, as a dark horse.

Neither of you It's just that we're arguing amongst each other because the easier target isn't here.

I see, so she's a nobody? Great Fair point

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Will be interesting to see how far gun crimes rise, and how they distort reporting on the figures, when this goes through.

Who is she? Other than Vince McMahon's wife (which is a sexist way of referring to her Howay - the identity politics police would be all over you for that!)

It's all going to end up like some kind of dystopian future isn't it?

Oh... those would be such bad choices. The Democrats going celebrity populist would not be pretty...

He surely can't go back to politics after this?

I absolutely agree tbh, I'm just saying that our strategy for combating this (and this really isn't directed at anyone on here given that we're all just venting, more the progressive media) is to call everyone idiots and assume that they'll come around to our way of thinking... Quite possible tbf, I just think there might be a wider issue at hand here. This isn't a trend that is limited to the US - there is a global rejection of the established order throughout the West. If France elects Le Pen, I really, genuinely think we're going to have to wake up to the fact that our system has to change.

I don't think you're rampaging across the board, although I'm a bit stunned that this issue hasn't sorted itself out yet. SEW is definitely trying to wind you up mind - I think this is the CT absence effect. You've effectively become one of the more right wing people on the board by his absence. Which isn't to say you're right wing, I don't think you are, but comparatively, you're nearer to it than most of the handful of other people who really engage in political discussion. I much prefer the level of debate we're having these days though, I'm actually learning things from people - so I would request that you don't quit the board, and stay here and argue with us

ewerk proposing that the solution here is to ignore what people are actually saying about why they voted for Trump, and simply assume that they're idiots. I wonder how many more Brexits and Trumps it will take before we, the liberal middle classes, start listening to people? There's a lot more we can still lose, you know? Would it hurt to just accept that our worldview isn't all encompassing? I read the article and think she has some points. Economically, she appears to be putting over the view that things were shit under Obama, they're unlikely to get worse under Trump. And that's before her other concerns.