Rayvin

Yep, very fair. The noises coming out of the DNC are encouraging actually. They might just go full Corbyn.

I think selective reporting is the bigger issue. There's no fact checking process that needs to be carried out if you're simply 'not reporting' something.

That's a wider issue within the Alt-Right vs SJW war. It's not really played out in the election (believe it or not) but having seen some of the stuff from both sides, I can safely say that they're both as pathetic as each other. They're all overgrown children with no ability to compromise and reason things out. I'm not referring to all feminists here incidentally, just the branch of them that he means when he's talking about it.

I don't disagree that the 'post-truth' era is a concern, but I do think the MSM is ultimately responsible for this. If people think the media lies, as they do right across the political spectrum, of course they're going to seek out truth elsewhere. The agendas and narratives they've foisted on us have come home to roost. Do I think the direction we're heading is a good one? No. But you know who and what I think is ultimately responsible for this anyway. I have to say, there is a not insignificant part of me that is just fucking loving this. I keep trying to press it down but seeing the people who have told us what to think, how to think it and understanding how this benefits them in the social order, come face to face with the monster that such nonsense inevitably caused, is very satisfying. Putting my slightly more civilised hat back on, the solution here for politics and the media to be more open and honest, and to genuinely give people a choice.

Well, she brought that particular topic up as a point of contention on this occasion but I can see what you're saying. Although at the same time he did mention that it used to be the left doing the sort of disruptive stuff he's doing. I don't remember that personally but I'd love it if we could get back to that. I actually think in his case, he's just loving the attention. He seems to thrive off it.

Milo has been playing a blinder recently it has to be said. The bit about him being a gay jew makes it very difficult for the media to land a hit on him. Also, he's kind of right isn't he, on this one? You can't just give people the facts, it's all soaked in narratives and agenda from the MSM as much as it is from Brietbart. Look at the Daily Mail. Look at the Guardian. It's never just the facts.

I don't remember that one...? Another mackem?

I feel like there was a line here somewhere, and that the Fish has just crashed straight over it

Wow, he's lucky you were there. Impressive dedication.

Graphic.

You're quite possibly right about that. I saw the row thing earlier this morning as well. McDonnell going off message again by the sounds of things, although it's also tedious in the extreme to hear that there are yet more internal squabbles surfacing. If they aren't thinking about coherent and credible strategies at this point then they really are fucked. Although with that said, the Tories are doing the exact same thing so who knows, maybe we're in a post-strategy era.

That remains my favourite characterisation of her. I don't think I have anything to retract that I haven't already apologised for

I mean, the thought that anyone could think we were BAMFU following the referendum was laughable at the time - it's just beyond depressing now.

It's the FA. Any excuse to make a statement.

Given the recent Twitter move, it could conceivably start being used for stuff like that. The establishment is cracking down

I don't think that scans though given that the Labour line up until quite recently was to oppose this. Something must have flipped their view.

I'd be interested to hear his reasoning. It's not like this is one of those things that is likely to decide mass public support, and with that in mind, I'm curious as to his thinking.

we have joined an activity only being carried out by Russia and China. That should say it all. Inevitable though, Theresa has always wanted to put this through. Wonder if it'll actually be useful...

:lol: That's actually heroic if true.

That's actually quite awesome.

Ah, so practical considerations? Fair enough. I thought it was a style thing. No one looks cool in Christmas clothing, hat, jumper or otherwise.

Class.

FFS HF. Why aren't you an investigative journalist or something?