wolfy

Quite east to explain. It's all about density/mass displacing the atmosphere under it. For instance: Imagine you fall out of a plane HORIZONTALLY and your body pushes through the resistance of air under you, your body will fall into thicker and thicker air pressure as you come down, which exerts more push against you the further you go down. There will come a point where your body cannot push through that air any faster, which would be your terminal velocity only for your horizonal push. If you were to adjust your body so your head faces down, you then push the air below you away more easily due to the fact that you made your body less of an area for the for the air under you to act on, therefore you now achieve another terminal velocity when the resistance matches your push. The top and bottom of it is simple. Terminal velocity is only relevant for the object pushing through it. The more dense it is, the faster it will push through. The more area something displays, the more it will meet resistance. Gravity is a lie.

True, it is arguing about Earth science. I'm talking about people using the verifiable stuff we use everyday, which they equate to working because of Earth being what we are told. Denpressure perfectly explains Earth gravity and it's a real force - not a made up force that cannot be proven by scientists, except for them to say "it just is." I can explain mine for anything on Earth. What I can't explain it for is space, for good reason, because space as we are told it is, does not exist. Nothing on this Earth pulls. Everything is a push on push no matter what it is. Denpressure is any density that is under pressure or resisting that pressure. We don't work without it. Nothing does. It takes a clear mind to grasp it, because everyone's heads are filled with the word gravity which they accept without question, even though it cannot be explained. Strange isn't it?

It's not about suckering anyone into my thoughts. I'm just putting my thoughts out for people to mull over. Most people will immediately dismiss it all and laugh at it, as I said before. They do that because what they were told, is what they stick with, because it's official. No person that has studied the sciences of space and Earth are ever going to take the word of some random person who gives alternative thoughts against it and I'm not asking anyone of you to do that. All I'm saying is "think." People do it all the time. They argue over whether it's creationism or evolution, or this religion and that religion. The truth is, nobody really knows. I don't know the exact layout of Earth but I'm working on it bit by bit, simply by piecing together the massive jigsaw of it, hypothetically. I get people saying, " Oh, so why do computers work if science is wrong." I don't understand why those people use stuff like this when I'm not arguing Earth science in the main. I'm arguing Earth as in, what it actually is and why we are part of it. Many people believe in a god to give them a purpose for being on Earth. They believe they will go to a better place if they are good. Are they right or wrong? Why do they believe what they do? If I walked into a church and shouted, "you don't know god is there." Am I right? How can they show me I'm wrong? The people in church can show me the bible and say, "this is why we know" or point to a statue and say "look at that" or point to the hundreds all sat in their seats and say, " look around you." The point is, they have all that as their evidence, plus their own faith. If I ask them for more direct proof, I will be set upon and hounded out as being the devil or something. So what are space science books based on? Why do most people on this Earth believe in a universe filled with stars, planets and such? It's because they're told about them constantly and shown pictures or video. They get shown a Earth supposedly took from a space craft or Jupiter pictures supposedly taken from a probe that was sent out X amount of years ago that is sending pictures back constantly as it checks out the atmosphere of it whilst taking pictures. They built these probes that somehow reach these distant places of millions and millions of miles, as they tell us...and yet they not only orbit these things, they send data back all the way through space, back into our atmosphere, back down to the source of the signal sent....all this whilst the Earth is supposedly spinning at over 1000 mph. The answer to that is. Yes, it's true because these people are geniuses. What are they geniuses of though? My guess is bullshit but that's just me. Mars lander: they supposedly sent this curiousity rover to mars, then sent it into the atmosphere of mars, which as they tell us, is virtually a vacuum, with so little atmosphere, yet they use a parachute to slow this thing down before this thruster thing fires up after being slowed down, then a crane drops the rover down on wires to the deck - disengages, then the craft that drops the rover, takes off and crashes itself into the deck a few miles away. Good luck trying to stop yourself in a virtual vacuum with a parachute. The mars rover before that was a bit cruder. They placed it in a load of inflated balloons and it bounced onto the little red so called planet. It's magical stuff isn't it? They have people's minds so brainwashed with bullshit and clear piss taking that I honestly believe they could literally say the next space mission will be a probe sent to mars on the back of a unicorn and people would believe it. It's getting that blatant. When you see the geniuses paraded on TV for the post mars curiousity crap, all you're seeing are the geniuses behind the special effects CGI shenanigans. I'm convinced of this. We are told that jupiter is made up of 99 % hydrogen and helium. These two gases are transparent, yet go and have a look at the pictures of jupiter they put out with it's big eye and all the rest of the absolute clap trap. Argue it and you get told that they touch it up to make it look more interesting. Haha. I'd say you couldn't make this stuff up but they clearly have. It's hard to think that the Earth is not what we've been FORCED to accept, isn't it? It's also hard as a young kid to be told that santa isn't real, because all kids know that santa brings presents. Only when they grow a little do they start to realise that it was all fantasy. So we're adults and it's not about santa, right? Of course you're right...but we are still being fed a potential fantasy with all the rest of the stuff. It doesn't mean a person is unintelligent. That person or persons could be geniuses in their field of work, yet be as gullible as hell without ever believing that they are that, because most of us are too arrogant (not in a nasty way) to believe we can be duped, especially by the sciences given out. How many people go to star trek conventions or star wars, etc? Loads, right? They aren't backward people - they are well to do people or even scientific people that bought into a TV show based on maybe the stuff they learned or are learning. You could go into the street and ask any person if they can name all of the planets we are familiar with and most will be lucky to name them all. Tell the very same people that The Earth is not a ball in space and they will suddenly look at you like you're a complete nutter, whilst telling you in a loud tone how it is this and it does that. Ask them why they think this and the answer will be, " because everyone knows" or "it's in science books and on TV." Stuff like that. Many more clever people will tell you about their telescopes and what they've seen, adding in all kinds of stuff and believing what they see is what was told, because it's all mapped out for them. People just assume that Australia is down under and yet they never really think how the huge oceans just sit - stuck to the Earth - despite it being under or down the sides of the ball. They accept it's pulled by gravity of Earth whilst also accepting that the moons gravity pulls at the oceans to make tides. This invisible force that no scientist can fathom out. People have been made to believe the rotating ball - or for clarity, an oblate spheroid - being flatter at the poles and bulging at the equator, with all the rest of the junk added in to make us believe what it is - is exactly that. But thousands of years ago, to this very day proves what it is doesn't it - or does it?. How old are you? How long do we get to absorb all this stuff? not long, right? Where are the scriptures in the vaults that tell us this. Where's the note book of Eratoshenes' where he worked out the circumference of the Earth in 270 BC? Where's all the rest of the stuff? All we are going on are names given out that told us this and that. Newton with an apple falling on his head. Philosophers of supposed ancient times just thinking stuff up, like a supposed bloke called Democritus in about 460 BC starts to wonder about the atom because things broke apart, etc. You know, you're sitting there in your robe and sandals with your 460 BC - PEN behind your ear and you think, "hmmm, hang on here - this stuff has broke up, I wonder what's going on here. I wonder if this could be atoms." We are told story after story after story...but what's true? How many people believe that they found Richard the third's remains under a frigging car park? I can't make anyone believe anything and nor do I want to. All I say to anyone is, start questioning things that you don't feel add up. Don't just accept everything that you're told.

Nah mate, I don't just go with the flow. If I did that I would be following the flat Earth theory. I respect their theory but I do not follow it for most part. I have my own thoughts. Each person has their own mind. It's about who wants to open it to an alternate thought. You think outside the box on a lot of stuff. I don;t agree with some of it but I respect the fact that you have a mind to think on stuff. Basically I question everything worth questioning if it starts to look anything but the whole truth.

Have you not thought about why molecules/ matter expand and how far they can expand? Many people know what's been told about atoms and stuff and how the universe is supposedly scattered matter. Ask yourself what scattered matter is. Why does a balloon start to inflate when put it inside an evacuation chamber with air pressure evacuated from it? It's because the molecules expand to try and fill the void that is being created. The molecules expand and will keep expanding until the balloon fills the chamber, unless it pops. When a helium balloon is sent into the sky, it's not floating, it's being squeezed up by the denser smaller molecules because the helium molecules are more expanded, so at first they get squeezed up very fast, until the atmosphere becomes more expanded, the higher it goes, which means the helium inside that balloon can expand more and more, until it reaches it's breaking point. The higher you go, the colder it gets, regardless of the so called sun. It can only get colder if there's something in that space, which would be expanded molecules that cannot agitate much because they are so expanded. The very last elements on Earth are the lightest more expanded elements, like helium or hydrogen, etc. All that is left for those elements, the higher up they go, is to expand to their full potential and agitate no more against a true vacuum, which is when they freeze like clear ice. This clear ice is your dome. No heat can do much melting of it because to melt anything it requires friction/agitation and there's very little to none at the top. To a person looking up at the dome, they see blackness at night when the Earth sun has moved away from their sight. The blackness is the end of everything in your sight, unless something reflects off that dome, which is the things you see that you are told are in space. Your universe is right here and I know how hard that is to get your head around because our heads have been filled with a load of absolute nonsense passed off as intricate space science. Light years stars. I mean, think about it seriously. They tell you that the stars you see are what they were like thousands of years ago, yet people stand in amazement and believe it. It's nonsense. Don't you think if what we are told about these stars being much bigger than our so called sun, the Earth would be awash with so much light, because if the starlight has reached our eyes from all those thousands of years ago, then it has to hit us with the full on light from that star size as the'res nothing to scatter it's light, so at the very least, going by their science, we should recieve the diameter of light that those stars are, all the supposed millions of them that we see. We should be lit up like a beacon. Of course, there's answers as to why we aren't, as they've had a long time to iron this crap out. Just think about the so called sun in so called space. 800, 000 miles in diamater, they say. The Earth is a mere 7,900 miles in diamater, we are told, so shouldn't it be bathed in full on light and heat on the part facing it that all we can see in the sky is a sun as it's so called space rays emvelope us, instead of seeing a bright light in the sky. There's nothing in space that is working for the Earth. The Earth is it's own cell, it's own life pod and it feeds itself with the aid of everything on it, including us. All we are is Earth bacteria. Whether we are a good or bad bacteria is open to question. We are born, we die, we replenish and start again. I know how it all sounds. Just think about what I'm saying. Let's face it. Try and imagine where the universe ends. We can't because we think of stars, planets, meteors and so on and so on....so we think, "well where can it end?" The answer we get is, it can't end really, we can just get in a ship and float for ever is what we are told. The truth is, there's no such thing as floating. You're pushed against, as you push. It's an action that gains an equal and opposite reaction. You cannot have that in what they tell you space is, because you cannot push against nothing and nothing cannot push back. That leaves you in suspended animation, or for better clarity, it means the Earth as a cell is in that suspended animation, cocooned, going nowhere in terms of free movement. All Earth can do is grow or shrink. You don't get out and nothing gets in.

Exactly. That's basically how they have us. They create chaos to gain an opportunity.

It's actually not. It appears that way because we were all brought up with it and it's been battered into our heads through all kinds of ways, from schooling to films, to books, to documentaries, etc. It basically regurgitated by people who do not have a clue as to what the Earth is, by their own minds. It's all been given on a plate. It cannot be proved that the Earth is a globe or rotating to this day. They can tell you it does, yet it cannot be proved physically. Of course it can be cited that astronauts have seen it, or this experiment has shown it . The truth is, there is no direct proof, just assumptions and theories thrown out as fact, because they are called scientific theories. If you believe 90% of what's told to us is spin, then you will do yourself an injustice if you don't at least think about the utter garbage that's made up to account for it all happening. Start with gravity and ask yourself why they can't tell you what it is as a force. Move on from there. It's about believing in their magic. Their game is to amaze people with the science and baffle them with the bullshit. You owe it to yourself to question it. How many things did you think were legit when someone told you they weren't, for you to say, " don't be stupid, of course it's what they tell us" only to get enlightened along the way. It's easier to spin a lie and have it believed than it is to tell someone the truth of that lie.

I'll remember that if I ever go to war. At the minute I'm disputing Earth being a rotating globe and space nonsense.

We all know Ben Arfa has the talent to be a top player over a season if he applies himself. When he first came he looked fantastic and you could see the effect he had on opposing players until he had his leg broke. We also know he's a bit of a loose cannon and had an attitude problem that Pardew managed to sort of iron out when he came here. The fans treated him like a god at first and he knew it. The leg break set him right back and it was only natural that it was gonna affect his confidence in terms of wondering when the next leg breaking tackle came in. From that point on, amid another bout of injury, he came back overweight, bulked up and half hearted/fit. All we seen for that point was flits of skill here and there and an unwillingness to track back or even try to win back the ball once he lost it, on many occasions. People can lay any blame they want on Pardew but the real downfall for Ben Arfa was and is himself. He's a player that believed his name should be on that team sheet, no matter what. Having said all that, I would love to see him stay and give us a season of his genius. Not 6 or 7 games....but a season. If he's 100% focused and fit, I'd have him in the team everytime. I think the manager and the club have been more than fair to Ben Arfa and so have the fans. It's time for him to give us all a boost by showing us that he has unfinished business.

So, go to uni and study what I'm actually arguing against, which is indoctrination. What will I be actually studying? I will be memorising what is told to me so I can regurgitate exactly what the tutor is regurgitating from the tutors that tutored him/her. I have a massive distrust in a lot of mainstream science where space is concerned and ancient history. I didn't just decide that - I came to the conclusion that there are a lot of questions about a lot of this stuff. Whether you think it's all above board is up to you. You have your own thoughts as I have mine.

Well then, why don't all the 15 clubs just wind it up and shut the gates? You're talking as if we have been relegated. Fans are fickle. Not just us. All fans. When have Newcastle set a target of bottom 4? People just read into doom and go with it. the problem is, it's like a virus and spreads. Why do you think Newcastle united have a divine right to play among the big hitter? Is it because Ashley's a billionaire or simply that we are Newcastle, so there? A target of top 10 was on the cards at the start of the season. We started off like a train and fell apart for reasons I stated earlier, yet finished 10th. Yes we know IF this and IF that had happened, we COULD have done THIS and THAT. If we finish better than 10th this season, then we are making progress and building a stronger side as we go on, plus gaining the emergence of the youngsters who "some" will come to the fore. People are writing Dummet off as not being good enough despite him being thrown in the deep end. He will be stronger again this season, whether he plays regular of shores up the backline due to suspensions or injury. We still have some top players at this club that haven't performed anywhere near the standard we know they can. This can easily change with the influx of new players and a new season with a positive outlook, plus a more tight knit dressing room, which Colo being back to full focus can help provide. With a bit of luck and a return to form, plus the new signings and more to come, I can see us having a good season. I really can.

That's fine lads. You go with whatever you think. I'm going to continue to be positive. I can see all the mistakes and have seen them throughout my time as a fan of over 40 years. Weve had more downs than up over that time and way worse teams with managers making way more errors than Pardew. All fans want their team to be the best. All fans want their teams to play good football in the process. We are among 15 teams chasing the pack of 5 front runners. Catching those teams is no easy feat. A Man City type splurge can greatly help in the short term. Can it be sustained long term without continued bankrolling and paying wages asked for by the players that are capable of keeping up that push? In London, maybe. In the north east it's much harder. I'd rather we do it this way, even though we lose a player here and there, than do it by splashing out a fortune on a player who then decides he's just here for the money and now wants out, probably sold on for a lot less than was paid. Lot's of ways to look at things, I agree. If you're a genuine fan, then believe things will get better. It's not like Ashley is replacing quality with crap and the club can't help losing players that clearly use us as a stepping stone.

We are just fans looking from the outside in. We don't actually know what's going on behind the scenes. Yeah we hear rumours and paper talk about our players all the time, as in who wants out or who's hankering for a move, yet we rarely see it happen, except the odd player that we know for certain is like that. Cabaye is a classic example. We knew Remy wasn't going to stay on as he made that fairly clear. The way I see it is, many players have nailed their colours to the mast. Colo is staying and will be fully focused and back to his best, organising the back line. People can call Williamson but he's still got a strong part to play as far as I'm concerned. Ok, we don't know the situation with Ben Arfa and Debuchy. Sissoko is mentioned as supposedly wanting a move. We had all this before with people saying that Krul ws on the move and Tiote would go here or there. The point is, we aren't just going to lose most of the team based on rumours. Stranger things have happened and it's not beyond the realms of posibility that we could see a resurgent Ben Arfa and a stronger group of the French contingent we have pushing us forward. A new season is a new chapter, look at it that way, in a positive manner, it's good for the digestion. I don't want the club spending 25 million on players like Lallana with high wages, because like it or not, we aren't in any position to sustain that. Liverpool are at the minute due to the season they had and getting champions league football. Will they be as strong as last season, this season? I doubt it if they lose Suarez. Man Utd need a full rebuild and it's gonna cost them. Ok they have Van Gaal and money to spend. If they don't get it right this season and gain champions league, they are going to struggle, Van Gaal or not. We obviously aren't in a position to push at that level and sustain it, yet. We've went from a go out and buy any player that will come club, under Shepherd, to a club that is ultra cautious. Short term it's a bad thing, because fans want to see results and progress. Long term, I think it will pay dividends, because the chasing clubs - the ones that have put all their apples into one basket, will struggle to keep that up. It's almost like the chasing clubs are doing what Shepherd tried to do, which was buy at any cost - just pay what they ask and let's see where it goes. A few more signings, maybe 3 or 4, that are and have been targets, will ensure we have a better season than last. I reckon some enjoyable football and a top 8 or maybe better finish will push us on in a more solid way. Last season was a write off because everything seemed to go against us. Pardew's touchline incident, plus Player problems and spats, then a knock on effect of Cabaye's enforced departure. Massive lessons are being learned here and I believe many will be rectified. Let's call it our storm before the calm and look forward to a new season and some better football to give us all a good smile. Sorry folks, I'm just not a negative Newcastle fan and I'll always pull out positives and potentials out of what appears to be, on the face of it, doom.

It's still early in the transfer window and we have 3 players in. Those that have left were all surplus to requirements, except maybe Tavernier. We still have some good kids that are close to being ready to step up, as well. I'm confident that we will have at least 3 more new faces in well in time for the new season. More if we lose any other players.

50's.

Dark matter that nobody know what it is. Gravity is like that too. In fact a lot of space stuff is like that. It does this and that but they don't know why. Could it be because they are making it all up? I think so.

I'm sure they'd have phoned air traffic control to ask permission to launch it, just it case it got sucked into a high flying jet engine. I'm sure their helium balloon would have been fine at that altitude and easy to find after it popped, then came down by parachute just a few miles away, whilst they easily tracked it.

The sun isn't in space. It's in the centre of Earth's circle, known as the north pole ot people's understanding. There's no mix up in my head about vacuum. You get told it's an ideal background to study phenomena, so you simply go with that. That's fair enough but it makes no sense for anything to exist in a vacuum of space as we are told it is. No atmosphere means nothingness. At sea level you are under pressure of condensed matter/molecules. Higher up they become more expanded , until they can't expand anymore. They then freeze as they become dormant, under no pressure at all, which creates a dome. Outside of that dome is a true vacuum, the absence of ALL matter. No sun, no nothing in it. It's all coming from Earth. All you see in the sky apart from man made stuff, are reflections all caused by the central Earth sun, mirrored off the dome.

How do these particles become charged in a vacuum? A vacuum is the absence of all matter. You can't just have stray matter floating about. What's it floating in? For anything to move , it has to have a medium to move in. On earth everything works in wave form, no matter what it is, because everything is attached. There is no free movement of any particles, they are all a part of a wave when energy is applied through expansion and contraction which causes friction, which creates sound, then light. The frequencies of it all is down to energy applied. You live in your own ocean. You can see how it all works by going to a stream and tapping the water. You can see the energy you put in, go like a wave on the water. It's like that in our atmosphere at sea level for us. Most people don't want to look at it that way because it bores them, which is understandable. No light, sound or anything travels through a vacuum. A perfect vacuum means no existence, to put it simply, which means that space does not exist in how we are told. Anything you see in the sky is the direct result of Earth's energy projected onto the atmosphere against a dome that seals us in like a cell. No atmosphere, means no flight of any kind. I'm not expecting you to accept any of what I've said, just think about it.

Many happy returns,Fish.

You should have just said you didn't know and that you weren't going to answer. It's ok, I got it. Cheers anyway.

Point one: how do you know it's been like this for billions of years. Just explain how you know this, please. Point two: How do you know the angular velocity of the Earth is not accelerating or decelerating, much? Point 3: If space is almost a perfect vacuum, then the Earth is dragging no atmosphere with it, as you say, as it's a vacuum. So having said that, can you tell me how Felix Baumgartner spent many hours getting to this almost vacuum, then jumped out and only landed 23 miles from his supposed lift off point ? If there's no air...which we all seen on "TV" that he fell at over 800 mph in a near vacuum, then why only 23 miles from his lift off position when the Earth is spinning at over 1000 mph, as we are told?

The proof in the pudding will be in the eating. How many times was Tiote off and otehr players by speculation? If Debuchy wants out, it's a shame but I don't want players who are unhappy. I want focused players who want to play for the club and are proud to wear the shirt. Having said that, I'll believe he's left when I see him holding up another clubs shirt. He's 28, in his prime and nturally will be a target for the bigger clubs, especially those playing in the champions league, plus bigger wages. I hope the rumours are just that, as you can't trust the media in most cases for the absolute truth.

So the molten magnetic core manages to keep all the air pulling in one direction, yet allows clouds and air to move in other directions? It also manages to keep all the water/oceans from spilling off the ball, yet allows the moon to pull at those oceans to create tides, despite the moon having no atmosphere, we are told and no molten magnetic core. I would have thought you for one would be seriously questioning this stuff mate. You see, you seem to know that a lot of what we are told is spin and lies, yet you accept this molten iron core in the entre of a rotating sphere in a vacuum of space. It's worth, questioning this stuff, even if you do it as a mild thought on it.

Park life: You don't trust a lot of what's told, so tell me why you believe we live on a rotating globe. What makes you certain we do?