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Tbf you can play pretty much any formation you want if your left sided midfield starter (Vuckic) is also a central midfielder and left back cover Presumably Krul is expected to get forward at intervals too.

you must have seen something in best that i've missed to think he can play wide right. and what has vuckic done exactly do be starting ahead of jonas? bizarre selection. vuckic is not a winger here, hes a central midfielder also supporting the left back defensively best is not a winger here, he's a forward attacking from the right side and also supplying the striker 3 attackers against Man U then. Righto. Fuck you're dense.

Massively couldn't give two shits about a single word of that.

Who made it, when was it and what prize do they get? Forum landmark tbh.

I think if O'Neill came in now he'd have a similar positive effect that he's had down the road. That could last the entire rest of the season and into then next. I think he then wouldn't really be backed the way he'd want to be backed in the transfer market and then he'd fuck off again. In the meantime, results would have tailed off again as he began to get disillusioned. This could take in a 1 year period of management or 2 years, doesnt make much odds to me. You're beyond naive is all it boils down to. To be fair i don't think O'neil would fuck off because if he'd agreed to take over here he'd know fine well what he'd let himself in for as would any manager nowadays, so really the question should be simply would people rather have started this season and the next few years ahead with Pardew or O'Neil. What's the point in living in that alternative reality? He probably wouldnt have taken over at all if he'd had the conversation Pardew had with Ashley. If you think otherwise I think you're being naive too. That said I don't even accept your basic premise-O'Neill is one of the biggest whingers in football management bar none. Listen to his interviews when they don't win. He thinks absolutely everything is against him so I could see him fucking off on a whim at any time he was refused a transfer he wanted. I didn't say he would have taken over, i said if he had then he'd signed up to what goes on here, and i'm not being naive just pointing out the OP was setting up a hypothetical question and nothing else as to whether people would take O'Neil or Pardew. And i've heard plenty managers whinge as much or more than O'Neil, most of them do. Fair enough, agree to disagree tbh.

I think if O'Neill came in now he'd have a similar positive effect that he's had down the road. That could last the entire rest of the season and into then next. I think he then wouldn't really be backed the way he'd want to be backed in the transfer market and then he'd fuck off again. In the meantime, results would have tailed off again as he began to get disillusioned. This could take in a 1 year period of management or 2 years, doesnt make much odds to me. You're beyond naive is all it boils down to. To be fair i don't think O'neil would fuck off because if he'd agreed to take over here he'd know fine well what he'd let himself in for as would any manager nowadays, so really the question should be simply would people rather have started this season and the next few years ahead with Pardew or O'Neil. What's the point in living in that alternative reality? He probably wouldnt have taken over at all if he'd had the conversation Pardew had with Ashley. If you think otherwise I think you're being naive too. That said I don't even accept your basic premise-O'Neill is one of the biggest whingers in football management bar none. Listen to his interviews when they don't win. He thinks absolutely everything is against him so I could see him fucking off on a whim at any time he was refused a transfer he wanted.

Or he'll be annoyed because his side could have gone above them if they'd won themselves. Hindsight is a great thing though isnt it? After yesterdays results he would of been furious thinking that City would of got 3 points today. City were always going to drop points today. Having said that I thought it was going to be a draw all day.

I think if O'Neill came in now he'd have a similar positive effect that he's had down the road. That could last the entire rest of the season and into then next. I think he then wouldn't really be backed the way he'd want to be backed in the transfer market and then he'd fuck off again. In the meantime, results would have tailed off again as he began to get disillusioned. This could take in a 1 year period of management or 2 years, doesnt make much odds to me. You're beyond naive is all it boils down to.

It was offside but it was marginal. Not a travesty by any means.

Pretty over simplistic embarrassing comments tbh and shows an historical 'out of touchness' with the realities of this football club. We've had plenty of teams that could beat the big boys at home when their gander was up, trouble is we'd then go and lose away at Fulham/Bolton/Wigan etc etc the next match. And pretty much the entire season. Pardew's strength has been in galvanizing and getting the team to turn in 'spirited performances'. Precisely that over and above anything else. That's not happening at the moment but your criticism hasnt been that anyway, it's been that we should be bombing all out attack and simply beating the top teams that way Now we're not spirited enough either. I think you need to pick another club to be totally honest. Sunderland are in a bit of a purple patch because their limited players are putting in more effort and responding to their manager. They haven't suddenly become intrinsically better players to go and attack the top teams week in week out. Try them for a bit, they're only ten miles down the road after all.

and according to you, buying good footballers and paying the going rate isn't sustainable. You should make your mind up. From a footballing perspective, selling your best players and hoping to replace them on the cheap (if that is what we do in this window) isn't sustainable. From a financial perspective, paying money we can't afford for players isn't sustainable. I would like us to find a middle way. However, that doesn't appear to fit in with your black and white view of the world. Simply put and all the more utterly spot on for it.

Youre conflating several different things there to predicate your imminent indifference on ie you want several signings and new tactics, whereas I suspect you realise we've got to where we are now by taking quite small steps. It's fine you wanting to justify your 'ability to care' waning, but if that's the case I'd be interested to know when your 'ability to care' actually began? I get an overwhelming sense you've only been following us a couple years and if that's the case you need to quickly come round to the understanding you're going to need a lot more patience than that before this club delivers anything for you. Take a more generalist approach by all means and say: "Ashley out" etc etc but I just don't see the point in slagging a manager that's done a decent job in creating a work ethic that the club sees only in flashes about once a decade.

In essence (in my view anyway) it just refers to any established player we paid the going rate for on the assumption that they would come here and repeat their performances elsewhere simply on the basis we'd paid the money and nothing else-as if that alone was some sort of guarantee and we could say "oh well we backed the manager". Football at the top level doesn't work like that. The truth is there were long periods where players would come here and become instantly demotivated/have no respect for the set up they encountered and that's the side of things we got wrong because we were a shambles behind the scenes with politics/press/ownership etc. When you're paying the same if not more money to a player whos come from a club where standards are far more rigorously enforced, they end up thinking you're a joke, it's just human nature. You can't let that aspect drop for five minutes as a top club or you're finished. We've gone full circle now, we demand a lot from our playing staff for peanuts (in relative terms), which means players will eventually be tempted elsewhere when the wage offers beat our own. We all know this. We've been getting a lot out of them though and that's exactly what we should be entitled to expect, it has to become endemic within the fabric of the club and what all new players find on their arrival here. New arrivals is a different matter altogether though as the thread title shows and why it would be an even bigger waste if we dont capitalise on the club's positive steps by adding now. That's my main criticism of the fat bastard as things currently stand.

Now the findings are published/aren't to be contested (as I understand it) I'd like to see at least some pundits refer to him as: 'the racist Suarez' on telly. At least until Liverpool back down/apologise about their frankly absurd stance anyway and realise this is supposed to be about taking responsibility rather than the default Scouse mentality of claiming to be be 'victimised'

class.

True like. His shot that was cleared off the line at 2-1 was a mint effort btw.

Yep. And you improve on that in the market if you can, but nowt will happen quickly given our budget.

Aye, why the fuck would he make a rod for his own back. People seem to have some vague notion that by coming out and saying 'we need a striker' it will put pressure on Ashley to go out and buy a striker. No it won't....some owners yes, but not Ashley, he doesnt feel that sort of pressure at all. All it'd do is cost Pardew his job. And I mean that without compensation too....I wouldn't be surprised if his contract isnt so locked down that it contains caveats that he cannot go to the media and state the need for players without prior agreement from DL. I didn't say any of that though (if you're referring to my post), particularly the thing about putting pressure on Ashley. DIdn't imply that at all. I know he gets asked questions, it's not like he's said these things in press releases. I'd rather he was just more vague. On the other hand, you could call it honesty on his part. It wasn't directed straight at your remarks, more a generalist point. I think he's just getting peoples frustrations projected on to him at the end of the day, which is completely understandable in one sense, but doesn't alter his bargaining power at all.

Aye, why the fuck would he make a rod for his own back. People seem to have some vague notion that by coming out and saying 'we need a striker' it will put pressure on Ashley to go out and buy a striker. No it won't....some owners yes, but not Ashley, he doesnt feel that sort of pressure at all. All it'd do is cost Pardew his job. And I mean that without compensation too....I wouldn't be surprised if his contract isnt so locked down that it contains caveats that he cannot go to the media and state the need for players without prior agreement from DL.

Thought you'd fucked off? You've not come back as some sort of raging anti-semite now have you? How massively depressing. Wouldn't it be equally controversial if I told you a muslim coach was playing a winger that played horseshit just because of his muslim heritage? Anyways I just thought it was a "fun" something to write, considering Obertan is jewish, I have no idea if Pardew is. Btw I have nothing against jews, I'm from morrocco and they are indeed welcome here. I literally couldn't give a fuck what religion our players are. Not being from Morocco myself that sort of nonsense isn't particularly high up the agenda for me. Good to know Jews are welcome there though, very liberal indeed.

Try not to add religious hatred to the litany of shite you spout then eh?

Yes it's right we don't have much product on the wings. Obertan has come in for an actual fee, Pardew doesn't have the money to buy again instantly when players don't come up with the goods. We're not top material shock horror (is anyone actually shocked by this though, if they are I'm astonished and I despair in equal measure tbh). Whatever happens its not going to be quick enough for most people. Listened to a good few years of Leazes constantly saying expectations have been lowered on Tyneside but iyam it swings the other way just as quickly as is the case now. We've had decent wingers in the past and shit teams have just walked through the middle of our midfield and defence (literally) because we're push overs. Last night wasn't a great performance and if we go on to get nowt against Man U presumably all the despair will get worse, when in reality we need to be making progress by first trying to pull away from the 'rest' of the division with consistency in the run-of-the-mill games that we usually get fuck all out of, but have done well in this season.

Thought you'd fucked off? You've not come back as some sort of raging anti-semite now have you? How massively depressing.

Glad he got nil again anyway on a completely petty level.