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I don't care if I am a divvie but I find that statement fucking disgusting. You're not the only one. It's funny that some people on here are quick to take the piss when people jump to the defence of Martins, but dare say a word about Owen and you're hounded out the conversation pretty quickly. If this was a story about Martins, I'm sure the reactions from some would be very different. Yes Owen's a class player, but he's also a class twat imo. ^ This sounds familiar. I'm of two minds about this story, I do think the Sun is trying to blow it out of proportion with phrases like "stinging rebuke." That, however, is their job. I don't think people going "nothing story" have read the article closely enough - Owen is quoted as saying two things that bear watching. The first is that he's not interested in anyone's advice but that of his surgeon. Of course a player should listen to his medical advice. But this is clearly worded to put his manager out of consideration, which I believe to be absurd. The second is "I'm available for both sides I represent." I'll leave it to you to consider the implications of that statement.

Missed the game, my site wasn't carrying it for whatever ridiculous reason. Getting a little sick of these ad hominem attacks tbh, boils down to "I don't like Owen, you lot don't like Martins", no need to go after me for it you load of wankers. Certain admins ought to be embarassed I think. See the irony (couple of levels)? Not really ad hominem though. What I'm referring to is the loads of "fuck off" "you fucking idiot", etc etc without providing any kind of counter-argument. When Gemmill tells me I've no footballing knowledge, that's one thing, since he's providing evidence to support that statement. When I post and it's followed up by someone going "fuck off yank" who gives no indication he's read what I wrote, that's no good. What kind of forum is it when there's exactly one "correct" view and anything else is to be ridiculed? Forums are for discussion. If you disagree, go ahead and provide some facts, opinions, anything to show why what I'm saying is wrong, why I don't know what I'm on about, etc. I don't care if everyone else thinks I'm wrong. I want them to prove it without referring to the guy behind the screen.

Missed the game, my site wasn't carrying it for whatever ridiculous reason. Getting a little sick of these ad hominem attacks tbh, boils down to "I don't like Owen, you lot don't like Martins", no need to go after me for it you load of wankers. Certain admins ought to be embarassed I think.

Assist and goal from England's Michael Owen today. Fuck you yank lad Do you have no sense of pattern recognition at all? This has happened before, I'm sure you remember how it came out. Or maybe you don't since you seem to have no grasp of even the recent history of this club. Well, on a bleeding cold day in London in December 2005, a plastic footballer in black and white called Michael Owen scored a hat-trick for us, and it seemed like heaven in Geordie-land for a while. Not two weeks later he got crocked against Spurs and played just one more game (as a sub) for us that season. He came back from injury just in time to lead the English charge in the World Cup only to get crocked again. This time he was out for nearly a year. Now he's back again, the legend, scoring goals, assisting, all of that. Do you think next time he gets injured he'll be out for a year and a half? Or maybe there won't be a next time, is that it?

Saw that too, hilarious.

Missed the game, ESPNgamecast still says it's 1-1, the worthless dross that it is. Think we were lucky to get off 3-2 from the sound of things, looks like Big Sam's tactics worked quite well this game though with a much better starting XI than before and obviously effective subs.

Where are Owen's fanboys now? He doesn't care about us. How many times must I say it? He only wants to play for England and collect from us. He'll play 70 minutes of shite for us on Sunday, bugger off to England, and that'll be him out until the next qualifier, just like his previous appearances this season. Here's a few more: he doesn't care about us. He doesn't care about us. He doesn't care about us. I hope it is beginning to penetrate your thick skulls.

Strangely missing our best player out of that team You're surely not meaning Owen? Maybe it's because he's crocked again. By the way, why is it "a good point" when someone mentions Duff's never seemed motivated to play for Newcastle, but absolute rubbish when I say Owen's never seemed motivated either? Tbh they seem to be two sides of the same coin - both good for other teams, both came here for the money, both perenially injured and lacking in form.

You know a great British word? Tosser. It's perfect. We yanks don't have a word that so perfectly encapsulates you. You are a tosser, Stevie.

Never doubted it. What the hell does Dida think he's playing at? He's no good, and he's also been stretchered - aye, stretchered! - off the pitch after being "slapped" by a supporter who got on the pitch. Sure, the supporter's an idiot, but look at the Brazil national keeper flopping to the ground after the feeblest of touches. Embarassing, just like this loss.

What a match this could turn out to be. I can see anything from a 0-0, a Celtic thrashing, or a Milan thrashing. YNWA on the telly was special enough, imagine singing along at Celtic Park with tens of thousands around you. I want us at SJP to be my first live football match, but I wouldn't mind my second being at Parkhead. 'Mon the Hoops!

Yeah, I'd say that beats Martins. What a strike.

Kind of wish I'd seen this Hartlepool lad's goal, then, if Martins's goal against Spurs came second to it. Anyone know what it was like?

Exactly right. Couldn't have said it better. People have tried to build him up as Best, Geoff Hurst, and Jesus Christ all rolled into one, but he's just another overhyped England man. He's mercurial, able to create something out of nothing as many have said but also quite capable of creating nothing but a yellow card and a growing sense of frustration in many matches.

Do people get paid to come up with this stuff? That sounds like a pretty easy job to me. "Well, news is slow today, why don't I just make something up? BECKHAM JOINING SUNDERLAND, that's absurd enough, should convince some wallies..."

It's on the books now, but the play previous to the goal was clearly offside. Look at these morons celebrating a 4-4 at home like they've won the league. The bad news? They're still 18th.

Mind, they've scored and have a penalty now. Watch Villa throw the game away. We probably would.

This is it for Jol, no doubt he's already been sacked and they'll wait until the end of the game to tell him. They're celebrating their 125th birthday the night as well, the sad sods. Not a date to remember tbh

You know that's not what I asked, though, right? I know, but I don't enable haters. Sick of defending Martins - if you can't tell he's one of the class players out there in black and white, there's no point in talking it to death. Emm...how am I a hater? I gave you a chance to show a balanced view, a "fanboy" is just as irrational as a "hater". How old are you btw, if you don't mind me asking? Not taking part in this witch hunt. Your view is already unbalanced. If you think my "fanboy" view will somehow create an equilibrium, you weren't listening when your mam told you "two wrongs don't make a right." And yes, ignoring that last completely. Although most those on this forum seem to think otherwise, it doesn't actually matter who's behind the computer screen. It's the content that matters.

You know that's not what I asked, though, right? I know, but I don't enable haters. Sick of defending Martins - if you can't tell he's one of the class players out there in black and white, there's no point in talking it to death.

Especially Smith... both ends of the "Attacking Midfield" spectrum him and Elano.... Smith has just been stroling around all game. Smith's been nonexistent, Butt's been atrocious (horrific tackle early on, and a deliberate foul on Petrov in front of the ref that surely merited a yellow) and yet the one time Geremi's looking vaguely decent, it's him comes off. Big Sam's tactics as of late have been less than satisfactory, he must realize that buying the players is just the first step. Any thoughts on the number of times Martins' poor touches have surrendered possession, broken up an attack and led to a dangerous counter? Actually I thought that Martins and Milner provided the only energy in this game. And I believe the game was lost in midfield although the defence was pretty shocking too, which is why I focused on them. Next match: GK: Given RB: Beye CB: Rozy/Cacapa LB: Sanchez RW: Milner CM: Barton/Butt LW: N'Zogbia ST: Martins/Viduka bench: Harper, Taylor, Faye, Geremi, Smith (SMITH as striker not mid) You heard it here first

Especially Smith... both ends of the "Attacking Midfield" spectrum him and Elano.... Smith has just been stroling around all game. Smith's been nonexistent, Butt's been atrocious (horrific tackle early on, and a deliberate foul on Petrov in front of the ref that surely merited a yellow) and yet the one time Geremi's looking vaguely decent, it's him comes off. Big Sam's tactics as of late have been less than satisfactory, he must realize that buying the players is just the first step.

They've always deserved a third, but there was no stopping that goal. 3-1. I feel like really we've had so few clear-cut chances that we're lucky to come away with 1.

And, getting pasted again. Taylor gets the armband and promptly gives it up after being subbed for Faye. As Sima said, proudest "moment" of my life...

Zog to finally get out of this hopeless LB and move up? We might have some actual action in midfield now.