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eerrr.....the premiership and the FA Cup, right ? 106670[/snapback] Must count the league cup, you know, the one that the decent teams don't take seriously, even Wigan fielding a reserve side.

Possibly.

If you want to be governed by a system where people (innocent or not) are locked up, abused or killed without trial why don't you piss off to a country where that kind of thing is acceptable. 106649[/snapback] Err, but I don't. According to people such as yourself though, I already live in such a country. Wouldn't it be an eye opener for people like you if this country really was like that.

What are you babbling on about now, Alex? I'm a civilian mate, same as you. The difference is that I have some pride in my country and what we stand for, you prefer to slag it off at every opportunity. As I said earlier, you know where to go.

I don't think we have to alter our methods in the slightest to convict a terrorist because of a crime. And I don't think that a place run like Guantanmo makes another terrorist less likely. In fact I think it makes future terrorist attacks more likely, because it is a symbol that enrages fundamentalistic lunatics even more. And it helps to recruit new people because they just have to mention the name 'Guantanamo'. There are just 500 detainees at Guantanamo and only very few alleged high rank terrorists from Al Qaida or the Taliban. But I think the number of people recruited as new terrorists because of Guantanamo is about ten times the numbers of the actual detainees. And they are the people we really have to fear. 106620[/snapback] Pure conjecture, I'm afraid. These people are indoctrinated from an early age, their recruitment has absolutely zero to do with Guantanamo.

The only fact reported in the documentary was that Guantanamo has housed 750 suspects over 5 years, 500 are still there, 10 have been charged, none have been convicted. Everything else was pesonal testimony and presented as such. That one fact tells a story though. a cumulative 2500 years served on the strength of zero convictions. EDIT: And no-one expects perfection. What you'd hope is that the bad apples are exposed and lessons are learnt. Not that anyone expressing an interest in finding out about it is shouted down as a wanker. 106585[/snapback] The problem is that the way idealists such as yourself set about 'finding out about it' undermines the people we have working in these dangerous places. You put others lives at risk but you don't give a shit about any of our people having their heads cut off with a rusty blade, because you're not in the firing line. Try it, is my suggestion to you rather than just gobbing off. 106613[/snapback] How does challenging the human rights issues of a place like Guantanamo Bay undermine, for example, British troops working in Iraq? 106619[/snapback]

I didn't say you have no right to comment. Making it up as you go along, eh. Deflects from the issue, like. Anyway Alex, join up mate. Get a view of the real world. 106611[/snapback] Aye, because only people who served in the British Armed forces have a reasoned view on global events like 106614[/snapback] Not at all. It would be good if those who spout off though would take the trouble to understand the consequences of their actions before undermining our people.

The only fact reported in the documentary was that Guantanamo has housed 750 suspects over 5 years, 500 are still there, 10 have been charged, none have been convicted. Everything else was pesonal testimony and presented as such. That one fact tells a story though. a cumulative 2500 years served on the strength of zero convictions. EDIT: And no-one expects perfection. What you'd hope is that the bad apples are exposed and lessons are learnt. Not that anyone expressing an interest in finding out about it is shouted down as a wanker. 106585[/snapback] The problem is that the way idealists such as yourself set about 'finding out about it' undermines the people we have working in these dangerous places. You put others lives at risk but you don't give a shit about any of our people having their heads cut off with a rusty blade, because you're not in the firing line. Try it, is my suggestion to you rather than just gobbing off.

Whatever. Got anything else to contribute? 106609[/snapback] Ok then, I'll contribute this, you're the fucking wanker rambo 106610[/snapback] Righto. If you don't like what the West stands for Alex, you know what to do mate.

Whatever. Got anything else to contribute?

Yes, in an ideal world. And you're right, these ideals do separate us from the muslims and terrorists but I'm afraid sometimes you have to adopt different methods. This is what we have to do, otherwise we will see more bombs and more innocent people blown to pieces by these 'people'. The fact is, terrorists have no respect for the law, in fact the desire of people in the West to uphold the law and maintain certain standards helps these cowards. These are difficult times and people are working under very difficult circumstances that can by considered in no way to be normal. It's true that some innocent people will suffer and that's bad, but this is the way of it when the battle is against terrorists who hide behind innocent people. What annoys me are arsewipes who post the kind of anti-West drivel I see in this thread, they're too stupid to realise that the very principles they're undermining are those that allow them to post their shite. If they really think we're so bad my advice to them is that they piss off and join those they clearly support. Hunting around to find any snippet of information that can be used to undermine the role of our people in this battle is showing support for the terrorists in my eyes. It increases their strength against the West and they know it too.

It's ironic that it was you slagging off the board admin' the other day. You didn't call them wankers, but the accusation you made toward them, if true, would be the same as calling them wankers. But then that's ok, isn't it? You didn't actually come out with a bit of name-calling.

Wow, the man that never gets abusive....errrr.....gets abusive. 106384[/snapback] Er so? Couldn't give a shit tbh. I've seen people die standing up for what we believe in the West. Fuckers like you don't have a clue. Oh my, abusive again. Will Gemma stand it? 106439[/snapback] Ah, so people have died for our right to have places like Guantanamo where we can lock away people for dubious reasons in dubious circumstances? Sorry, I always believed the West stood for its civil rights like fair trials and all this nonsense... 106456[/snapback] And you know this FOR A FACT? How about you define a DUBIOUS CIRCUMSTANCE? Please take into account that when these suspected terrorists are nabbed, the people doing the nabbing are under extreme pressure. Pressure of having their head cut off with a rusty blade. I would never claim we get it right all the time and I would never claim we have no bad apples. No doubt you believe we should be expected to get it right all the time and that we will never have any bad apples. Wake up and become a part of the real world, mate. This is no joking matter and shouldn't be taken lightly. Idealists passing judgement on people living in dangerous circumstances, doing something they have no understanding of, would make me laugh if it wasn't so serious.

Wow, the man that never gets abusive....errrr.....gets abusive. 106384[/snapback] Er so? Couldn't give a shit tbh. I've seen people die standing up for what we believe in the West. Fuckers like you don't have a clue. Oh my, abusive again. Will Gemma stand it?

To be fair you're right. I do enjoy masturbating. And I don't have a clue what's going on. My agenda for posting it was that other people might have been interested in watching it. What's your agenda for acting like a prick? 106418[/snapback] Eh? Are you Rob W, like?

*bookmarks thread* 106398[/snapback] Bookmark it all you like, son. Ask me if I give a shit about what you might bookmark. You'd impress me if you stood up for what the West believes in, instead of having an empty head as you no doubt have.

is there any need...... 106396[/snapback] Aye, there is. I'm sick of reading all this anti-West stuff. If I posted this kind of stuff about Middle Eastern leaders I'd be branded a racist, would I not?? If stupid bastards like Rob W think the West is so bad they should fuck off and live somewhere else like the Middle East.

But its not just about them getting to the final, its the teams that they beat along the way and how they beat them, as well as some impressive wins in the Champions League. 106361[/snapback] Sorry, but a cup competition is not how a manager should be judged.

Wait a minute Leazes. Are you telling us IN ADVANCE that you think O'Neill is a bad appointment? Just so we can be sure if he does get the job that you think Shepherd has made two mistakes in a row. 106001[/snapback] Not quite. Just that he isn't my first choice, I don't understand why people think he is more qualified than Dalglish was, and he won't match the ambition that I have for the football club, unlike you and the others I will stick by my prediction, but I'm long past expecting you to read posts properly or answer the numerous questions I've asked you and the others. So you admit that when you backed Souness, and selling our best player, you supported it .... I am however, absolutely confident, that Shepherd will give the next manager more than sufficient money to be successful, and appoint someone with the possibility of being successful based on his record and profile [making it a sound appointment, unless you and the others can tell us what else he should be doing rather than use such a shit criteria] not like the vast majority of other big city clubs who will appoint a nobody manager and run their clubs in such a poor manner that they don't even have a chance of success. Like we also used to do as well. But I suppose that thinking is far too complex for an accountant. 106037[/snapback] Fat, trainee accountant. With acne and red hair anarl.

What's your agenda for posting this? Do you think you actually know what's going on? Wanker.

Certainly my none-too-sophisticated country dentist in Ireland was well clued up on them. If you make an informed decision then I don't think that's stupid, that's a choice, newsreaders with tooth-brighteners, athletes with steroids, Gemmill with chocolate. It's only as stupid as "buy now, pay later". 106274[/snapback] Some choices are stupid ones, mate.

Shite tbh.

What's racist about it? Seriously.

That's not a trade secret, I thought everyone knew that was the trade-off? 106269[/snapback] I don't think they do. If they did, why do it? Are you telling me they're all stupid.