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I sent a PM to Renton the other day.. This followed a short exchange a couple of months ago. And I mean short. A question from me, a reply from him and a reply to that from me. Hardly a big deal. The one I sent him the other day was a simple reference back to something he mentioned in his PM to me. Renton. I've nowt against you man, but this thread in response to a couple of PM's shows that you are in fact more than a bt bit soft in the head. You don't need to fanny around like a lass putting on a filter, I've no intention of sending you further PM's and you weren't flooded with them anyway. I've said what I wanted to say and I knew you wouldn't reply, we both know there is no way you could reply in a way that makes sense.

Overspending - Don't agree with the argument that drops this into the lap of FS. Are you suggesting that when Souness submits what you call a 'wish list', he has no idea of how much he's asking the club to stump up in support of his ego? The fact is he didn't need to sign as many players as he's signed, he eroded the value of certain players and left the club in a situation where FS had to agree to the fee demands from other clubs. If a manager leaves a club with nothing on the left flank, and no PL quality strikers, do you think selling clubs are going to offer FS bargains? Why did he sign the players he signed? Most are poor signings imo. When Souness was appointed I'd suggest that most people believed it was the defence that needed sorting out, plus we knew Shearer was near the end, he needed to retire and the club needed an adequate replacement for him. What we didn't need was a complete rebuild of the midfield. What has Souness done with this £50m? We still need a defence and we still need Shearer to retire and be replaced. The manager takes the credit if we do well, not FS. The manager takes the blame when it's fucked up. Simple as that. And it's fcuked up now. As for supporting Souness, ie giving him time. The point is that people like Gemmill ( and I assume yourself ) have taken TOO long to acknowledge Souness should go. In fact, do you think he should go? I didn't want Souness as manager, but once appointed I thought well ok, we have to support him. The thing is, it became absolutely crystal clear in a very short space of time ( a couple of months max ) that he puts his own self interest and ego ahead of the club. That was when he'd had enough time, yet many carried on rolling out the ridiculous line of giving him more time, wait until he's got his team and all that bullshit. They're still trying to justify it now. The result of that attitude is where we are now. What on earth is "enough time" anyway? Sometimes people need to get their heads out of the book that says, "a manager needs 2 years", and recognise the evidence. Moving on, I don't agree with you that what Bellamy did was unforgivable. It is certainly no worse than Dyer chucking the armband, and Bowyer and Dyer fighting on the pitch, is it? What is unforgivable is Souness putting his ego ahead of the team by abusing Craig Bellamy and Laurent Robert. The only thing these players did was suss the tosser out pretty quick and call him the wanker he is. It's sad that so many of you were prepared to so easily forget the 100% performances put in by Bellamy in particular, on the say so of Souness and his bunch of 'yes men'. This may not apply to Robert, but your comment about 10 men for 8 out of 10 matches is frankly, a bit daft mate. I'm not a stat man, but someone who created as much as he did was obviously doing something in more matches than that. However, I accept that you prefer workaholics to skillful players with flair. Mind you, I still don't see much support for the left back despite Robert having gone. Why's that, I wonder? I'm also mystified why you would belive the spirit in the dressing room is better on the basis Shearer and Given said so. What's so important about what these players say? I'd say that in fact they are both lying. Is that not worse than Bellamy telling the TRUTH on TV? The evidence of any improvement in team spirit (applies to every team in every sport) can always be seen in the team performances on the field of play. There has never been any evidence to suggest an improvement in team spirit, quite the opposite in fact.

Totally agree.

Don't agree, Spongebob 74248[/snapback] I would take Parker over Butt, Owen over Bellamy, Luque over the version of Robert that we were left with and Emre over Jenas every time. I would also take Boumsong for all his faults over OBrian or Hughes 74255[/snapback] It's a team ( and squad ) game mate. Owen is not a replacement for Bellamy, Luque looks to be an inadequate replacement for Robert and Hughes made less errors than any of our other defenders right now. The team and overall squad Souness took over was a better one, it had to be, it had just finished 5th in the league.

Don't agree, Spongebob

If we'd all be worshiping Souness in those posts, you'd have been glad we'd dug it up! 74212[/snapback] Na na ni na na

I thought the first paragraph was well justified, mate.

Could have been an interesting thread, but it's degenerated into childishness with the harping back to posts on an old forum. No surprise there, like. The fact is, a lot of people weren't happy with the appointment of Souness, most were stunned in fact. But people had to get over it and look for the positives. There weren't many positives, but people were looking hard, banging on about the worthless cup and such like. He'd sort out the dressing room, and all that guff. I believed that bit myself. Many people initially hoped that Souness would be able to sort out the awkward personalities, people like Bellamy and Robert were supposed to be those awkward personalities. In addition, the younger players were believed to have lost respect for Robson, plus Dyer was just an arsehole, having chucked away the armband. It was said that a 'strong' manager was needed to get these players back in line, so people turned that initial shock at the appointment into believing that Souness would be strong, and would do the business. Unfortunately Souenss isn't strong, he's a bully. The Souness idea of sorting players out meant bullying some players and booting them out, contrary to how a proper manager would have gone about it. This is where people began to differ in my view. The prejudice some have against certain players came to the fore. I remember how shocked I was driving home when I heard the news that Souness had been given the job. However, I was happy to give the bloke a chance once he was appointed, because that's what you have to do. But for me, he showed his incompetence fairly quickly, others didn't see it, opting to bury their head in the sand for a long time. Some sitll have their head buried even now. There is little point in banging on about old threads and old posts but people should admit to their errors of judgement though. It would be a better forum for such admissions. At the end of the day, Souness does not deserve the length of time he has so far been given, the signs were there ages ago that he would fcuk this club up. He needs to go and he needs to go now. Just my opinion.

For the umpteenth time: I said that Souness needed time to prove himself one way or the other. He's used that time to prove that he isn't good enough. Which doesn't make me wrong because he still needed that time to prove his inadequacy in his role as manager of Newcastle United (not Liverpool, Blackburn, or any other club he may have been at in the past). It was simply the true, 100% correct statement that "A new manager needs time to prove himself" that makes me RIGHT and not WRONG. FACTARAMA. 73891[/snapback] I know what you said. How do you quantify time? I suspect you 'go by the book' in most things you do, Gemmill. Again, sorry if I'm wrong, but sometimes 'the book' has to be torn up because circumstances dictate it should not be followed. In the case of Souness, he did enough in the first couple of months to show that the idea a manager needs a couple of years should be ignored. It's sad that it appears you still don't recognise where you went wrong.

I thought Souness was shit when he joined, which was more than 12 months ago, which means I win. 73865[/snapback] Aye, but I thought you wanted to 'give him time'. Sorry if I'm wrong.

He should have been sacked after his obvious wankfest when he took off Bellamy against Charlton. At that moment, he proved beyond doubt that he put himself ahead of the club.

What really matters isn't that events have proven Gem to be wrong, it's that it looks like it's taken FS too long to see what a handful of people on here could see 12 months ago. Souness has been allowed to fcuk the club up and it'll take any manager some time now to put things right, imo. I don't care whether Gem ever understands this, I just hope FS does, hopefully today.

I agree.

What has Allardyce done at Bolton that Souness didn't do at Blackburn? Don't think he'd be an improvement in the slightest. 63994[/snapback] I don't particularly rate Allardyce either, and wouldn't appoint him if it was my choice. However, he must be better than Souness if only because he doesn't generally go around alienating his best players to satisfy a massive ego. I think he puts his club before himself, which is something Souness is unable to even contemplate.

Which if you read further on the rumours page will result in Souness getting the push... A draw it is then! 63904[/snapback] They score first, Souness gets abuse, we equalise late on, Freddie peddles him, Roeder & Shearer take temporary charge (Cos freddie thinks thats we want it and we cant move on till he's tried it), we bumble along, we avoid relegation, Freddie starts looking again, We Start next season with our 6th choice, Come December 2006 I post this again but change the names!! 63915[/snapback] You're right unfortunately. I think Freddie is to blame tbh 63917[/snapback] No, you don't.

Which if you read further on the rumours page will result in Souness getting the push... A draw it is then! 63904[/snapback] They score first, Souness gets abuse, we equalise late on, Freddie peddles him, Roeder & Shearer take temporary charge (Cos freddie thinks thats we want it and we cant move on till he's tried it), we bumble along, we avoid relegation, Freddie starts looking again, We Start next season with our 6th choice, Come December 2006 I post this again but change the names!! 63915[/snapback] Wondering what makes you think this is par for the course. We've had a good team while FS has been Chairman. Have you forgotten?

I wouldn't appoint Allardyce, tbh.

And the players, which is the important thing.

I'm waiting for the "nah lads i'm just taking the piss" followed by lots of white space and a tbh. 63870[/snapback] I'd be well chuffed if Souness was sacked immediately and Keegan brought in as his replacement. There are no certainties ( how many thought Dalglish and then Gullit were decent managers when they were initially appointed ? ) but I'd wager that Keegan would get more from the current players than the incompetent fool currently in charge.

This going to be a standard response from you now? Could always put it in the bad word filter to replace it with "I wank over photos of Souness" if you like! 61801[/snapback] Consider that earlier one to be the last one. All together now........... thank fuck for that. !!!!

Yep, it's also Souness' fault Butt is shite for Birmingham. 61217[/snapback] I don't see how that can be, like. Want to explain how you come to that conclusion? 61324[/snapback] 61390[/snapback] Did you post something there Omar 61393[/snapback] Most sensible he's ever posted, tbh.

Yep, it's also Souness' fault Butt is shite for Birmingham. 61217[/snapback] I don't see how that can be, like. Want to explain how you come to that conclusion?

You're on the right lines, like. But it's more accurate to say cubs with a few broonies.

Quick, put it in the gold section. Or whatever you call the place for the one-off, momentous posts. 61073[/snapback] Why, it's not like it's the first time Gol has admitted he got that one wrong so it's hardly a one-off... But then you being the man who reads everything scrupulously you already knew that didn't you? 61102[/snapback] The monkey defending the organ grinder. Better keep an eye on those blokes.

Quick, put it in the gold section. Or whatever you call the place for the one-off, momentous posts. 61073[/snapback] In the same place where I said Carr and Butt would be shite? 61074[/snapback] Butt wasn't always shite. Didn't you notice those few good games he had before Robson was sacked and before he realised the club now had a shite manager?