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From Sky But pisses millions away at Aspers. How nice it is of Mr. Ashley to gamble on the clubs future ability to compete at the highest level. Must have crystal balls!! Sums the fat cunt up tbh Fact remains those gambling "millions" are a mere fraction of the tens of millions he's pissed away into NUFC, which I maintain, he'll wait a fucking long time to get back and even longer to approach the dosh certain predecessors took out. what was it you said again in the other thread about being blinded by hatred and enjoy the good times while you can That is irrelevant, no hatred blinding me at all, just stating a fact or two. Again you miss the point, the FACTS about the latter years of FFS's captaincy of the ship are laid bare, the facts about Ashley's tenure are yet to be laid bare. Comparing chalk and cheese. Currently Ashley's NUFC is doing better than it has for years, like his methods or not (I don't as it happens) but I am enjoying it at the minute.

From Sky But pisses millions away at Aspers. How nice it is of Mr. Ashley to gamble on the clubs future ability to compete at the highest level. Must have crystal balls!! Sums the fat cunt up tbh Fact remains those gambling "millions" are a mere fraction of the tens of millions he's pissed away into NUFC, which I maintain, he'll wait a fucking long time to get back and even longer to approach the dosh certain predecessors took out.

Blinded by hate tbh Sad really, missing out on the enjoyment of our best seasons for years by focusing on all the bad things that "might" happen sometime in the future. It used to be about enjoying the game on Saturday (or Sunday or Monday night) not about "well that was fucking excellent but we cannot conceivably allow ourselves to savour that because we're fucked/doomed at some indeterminate point of time in the future, possibly, mebe's, definitely IMO, but it will happen OH WOE IS ME". Fuckin hell !!!! the irony He's got you there like, TP. Don't see how tbh, Ashley is a cunt but we're stuck with him (regretably but I am resigned to that) but we ARE having our best season for yonks. FFS was a cunt and we did have some amazing seasons under FFS et al, BUT they were long ago with no sign of them coming back despite what some would say. Talking about the past is a LOT different to hanging your hat on some future maybe won't even happen scenario. IMO of course. I'd love someone to buy Ashley out tomorrow, same as I wanted rid of FFS, not for what FFS "might" do but for what he was doing at that time and the shite on the pitch which wasn't enjoyable on a Saturday (Sunday or Monday night). As we stand now Ashley's NUFC > FFS's latter years in charge and that is currently a FACT. As is the amount of cash that they have respectively put in/taken out. I refuse to worry about what "might" happen, quite enjoying the ride just now, maybe hit the buffers, maybe won't, happy to wait and see. Because your whole critique of the previous regime is based on the financial side. That's fine in itself but you can't then argue football used to be all about just enjoying a Saturday (and by extension criticise those who don't have that view nowadays). I assume that's waht he was getting at anyway. Today it is. At the time my venom/criticism was WAY more around the shite served up across the white lines and the endless parade of shite managerial appointments. It was looking iredeemable on the pitch "at the time" and being able to look back now and see the financial situation that emerged (coupled with the credit crunch/banks malarkey) it was patently in a critical condition on the finance side. Hindsight's a wonderfull thing, it just made me realise how shite FFS was at the end. Maybe hindisght will prove Ashley to be worse, I'll wait until I know that as a fact, before passing judgement. I certainly won't let some potential apocalypse stop me enjoying the current season/games as they go on.

Blinded by hate tbh Sad really, missing out on the enjoyment of our best seasons for years by focusing on all the bad things that "might" happen sometime in the future. It used to be about enjoying the game on Saturday (or Sunday or Monday night) not about "well that was fucking excellent but we cannot conceivably allow ourselves to savour that because we're fucked/doomed at some indeterminate point of time in the future, possibly, mebe's, definitely IMO, but it will happen OH WOE IS ME". Fuckin hell !!!! the irony He's got you there like, TP. Don't see how tbh, Ashley is a cunt but we're stuck with him (regretably but I am resigned to that) but we ARE having our best season for yonks. FFS was a cunt and we did have some amazing seasons under FFS et al, BUT they were long ago with no sign of them coming back despite what some would say. Talking about the past is a LOT different to hanging your hat on some future maybe won't even happen scenario. IMO of course. I'd love someone to buy Ashley out tomorrow, same as I wanted rid of FFS, not for what FFS "might" do but for what he was doing at that time and the shite on the pitch which wasn't enjoyable on a Saturday (Sunday or Monday night). As we stand now Ashley's NUFC > FFS's latter years in charge and that is currently a FACT. As is the amount of cash that they have respectively put in/taken out. I refuse to worry about what "might" happen, quite enjoying the ride just now, maybe hit the buffers, maybe won't, happy to wait and see.

Not quite such a big lump if he'd extended his rudimentary maths to deduct the £30K a week Carroll was due to be paid in a similar timeframe.

Blinded by hate tbh Sad really, missing out on the enjoyment of our best season for years by focusing on all the bad things that "might" happen sometime in the future. It used to be about enjoying the game on Saturday (or Sunday or Monday night) not about "well that was fucking excellent but we cannot conceivably allow ourselves to savour that because we're fucked/doomed at some indeterminate point of time in the future, possibly, mebe's, definitely IMO, but it will happen OH WOE IS ME". Fuckin hell !!!!

Indeed we will. Sign them up to long term contracts and then you can demand a bigger transfer fee. Which narrows down the number of potential suitors to those you can do fuck all about anyway and even then it's gonna cost them and maybe make them think twice. So you don't deny that's FMA's intentions then? Seriously man you need to give your head a shake. Those that are likely to come in for him are the clubs occupying the top 6 places. And not one of them will think twice about financial outlay if they feel he'll vastly improve their squad. I can honestly see Man Utd interested in him given the state of their central midfield. It's not about intention to sell, in fact it's the opposite, if it was about a fast buck, they'd have let his contract stay where it was, now it means it's got to be a silly offer or he stays. He's FAR more likely to stay now than he was yesterday. It's not about the FCB. It's a fact of life that IF one of the "big" boys further up the tree than you, comes after your player you are fucked no matter who you are. The ONLY thing you can do is try and make it hurt or at least make your compensation worthwhile. We are not a Champions League team we CANNOT stop players heads being turned by the rich bastards. It's reality, nowt to do with Ashley or anyone else. It's the way the game is and THAT is where the fundamental flaw lies. Sadly if Man U are interested in any player at just about any club, they're gone. Let's see what happens at Spurs if the rumours of Man U's interest in Modric are true, especially if Spurs don't requalify for the money machine. Why can't people see this ?????

Only if the fee's exhorbitant and a top of the tree team has a need in that position. Seriously, what part of the way the modern pecking order works, don't you get ????

Indeed we will. Sign them up to long term contracts and then you can demand a bigger transfer fee. Which narrows down the number of potential suitors to those you can do fuck all about anyway and even then it's gonna cost them and maybe make them think twice.

I really REALLY just don't get this mindset My first thought was exactly the same as Isegrim -I wish I had your ability to see the best in Ashley Remind me how long ago Carroll signed his new contract again It's not about seeing good in Ashley at all. Firstly - Carroll signed a new deal in October and then 3 months later wanted a new one or he was offski. What's not to like about this deal, really??? IF a champions league level teams comes in for a player you're basically fucked anyway, that's a fact of life in the modern game. What this deal means is that IF someone is/was considering making an offer they'd better have VERY deep pockets because he's going to cost a shedload of cash. It's a reasonable deterent unless silly money's on the table. Silly money as in £35 mill for Carroll. To me it says we don't want to sell, unless you knock our socks off, which is how it should be. Would it have been better to leave it be ??

I really REALLY just don't get this mindset

He already has, to the tune of tens of millions. How much of that is loans (that he'll want back sometime) and how much has he actually poured into us no-strings? Interest free loans, cheaper than the banks (even IF they were lending) and no different to Short at Sunlun or the Liverpool blokey. The only one's pouring it in and who won't want/expect it back are Abramovich and the Citeh ragheads.

He is in terms of making any money from THIS business venture, which will really upset his pride or ego of which he'll have a fucking huge one. If the money didn't matter to him beacause "he's still filthy rich" he'd have fucked off and let us sink long since. There's about 20-25% of his total wealth tied up in NUFC. Of course he royally fucked up, no one is doubting that, and if he'd done his due dilligence he wouldn't have touched us with a bargepole. His level of fuck-up and lost dosh is in direct proportion to the hole that was left previously and his stupidity. The fact that the twat is still here, he could have cut his losses if he was mind to do that, is that he thinks he can make money and to do that the team has to be relatively succesfull for a pretty damn long time,. or he sells it, and I can't see that happening any time soon, sadly. As for the relegation being his fault, yes it largely was, due to some really baffling decisions BUT it'd been on the cards for years (about 4 actually) in my opinion.

Has he now reversed it? Thats a question which no one can really answer as of yet. Arguing about whether we are in decline or not is a fairly pointless. More to the point is the previous owners were making decisions with the benefit of the club in mind(I'm not denying the decisions also had an eye on their bank accounts) This owner appears to not care about benefit to the club, only to his own agenda, anything positive on the field being secondary. Hope I'm wrong His own agenda is not to lose money, he's already in for thick end of £200mill so whilst we might not like the way he'll do things, his "agenda" has to result in positive things on the field or he's screwed and even he must see that. BUT he will do it his way, no-one makes his amount of cash without being hard nosed and ruthless, so we just have to wait and see how it plays out and hope Mikey boy makes his profit.

given time, I will be proven correct, just like before. No doubt you won't admit it. Again. Idiot. When was this ?? You've not been right about anything, yet. you've not been paying attention, on here nor on skunkers. Before you comment on skunkers, fact is about 99% of that lot said we would do better with someone else than we did with the Halls and Shepherd. Including you. I'm still waiting for even one european qualification. Since then, we've been relegated, and its quite clear by even asking that you haven't got a clue what I'm saying when I'm commenting on the seeds of decline being implemented by the current owner. You should though, because its all getting so similar to when Mckeag etc owned the club, which you say you have experience of. But they weren't, he may have watered them a bit with his incompetence, but they'd already started to root before he took over. no, you are wrong. The club was 14th in footballs rich list when he bought the club. You can't blame the previous owners for Mike Ashley choosing to change the way the club attempts to maximise revenue and failing so badly. Aye OK, 14th, 7th, 13th and 12th aren't in any way an indication of decline from 4th or 3rd you can also bookmark this thread for future reference. You should be able to see we are now a selling club, based on your own experience of witnessing one if nothing else. This sort of comment is what makes me think you didn't really support the club during the days of Mckeag, Seymour etc because you would recognise the completely different outlook of the last owners, and the direction we have moved in since Mike Ashley bought it. Totally different ballgame these days Leazes man! When we were a real proven selling club a player had no say whatsoever in when he could leave a club, they were basically chatels. Today it is way different. The summer will tell, I don't accept Carroll's sale as evidence of a "selling club", because £35mill for him was IMO a no brainer, more money than David Villa, do me a favour. Is Ashley a prick, absolutely. BUT the way the club is set now is light years ahead in terms of sustainability than the previous regimes model was. I would add - IF the Carroll money is put back in. The difference you refuse to accept is that McKeag/Seymour etc put nowt in and bled the club dry and creamed whatever they could from within the confines of club turnover. FFS and the Halls took the club forward by putting in vast quantities of "not their own money" whilst doing very well out of it personally (much more than the Seymour/McKeag families ever made in decades). Ashley, as yet, has not made a bean out of NUFC but has ploughed in vast quantities of his own money to keep the thing going. I am under no illusion his "endgame" is to profit from NUFC but the bugger will do well to reap the sums the previous incumbents did, especially in today's financial climate and the way the game is structured today.

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given time, I will be proven correct, just like before. No doubt you won't admit it. Again. Idiot. When was this ?? You've not been right about anything, yet. you've not been paying attention, on here nor on skunkers. Before you comment on skunkers, fact is about 99% of that lot said we would do better with someone else than we did with the Halls and Shepherd. Including you. I'm still waiting for even one european qualification. Since then, we've been relegated, and its quite clear by even asking that you haven't got a clue what I'm saying when I'm commenting on the seeds of decline being implemented by the current owner. You should though, because its all getting so similar to when Mckeag etc owned the club, which you say you have experience of. But they weren't, he may have watered them a bit with his incompetence, but they'd already started to root before he took over. no, you are wrong. The club was 14th in footballs rich list when he bought the club. You can't blame the previous owners for Mike Ashley choosing to change the way the club attempts to maximise revenue and failing so badly. Aye OK, 14th, 7th, 13th and 12th aren't in any way an indication of decline from 4th or 3rd

given time, I will be proven correct, just like before. No doubt you won't admit it. Again. Idiot. When was this ?? You've not been right about anything, yet. you've not been paying attention, on here nor on skunkers. Before you comment on skunkers, fact is about 99% of that lot said we would do better with someone else than we did with the Halls and Shepherd. Including you. I'm still waiting for even one european qualification. Since then, we've been relegated, and its quite clear by even asking that you haven't got a clue what I'm saying when I'm commenting on the seeds of decline being implemented by the current owner. You should though, because its all getting so similar to when Mckeag etc owned the club, which you say you have experience of. But they weren't, he may have watered them a bit with his incompetence, but they'd already started to root before he took over.

given time, I will be proven correct, just like before. No doubt you won't admit it. Again. Idiot. When was this ?? You've not been right about anything, yet.

He already has, to the tune of tens of millions.

Course they are. Bookmarked Have you got insider info or are you just paying too much respect to paper talk? Not me but a a lad who's itk is usually decent. Your mad if you think they'll still be at newcastle next season Elswick's ITK Aye, the kid off skunkers. He's been right in the past about things No he hasn't

Course they are. Bookmarked Have you got insider info or are you just paying too much respect to paper talk? Not me but a a lad who's itk is usually decent. Your mad if you think they'll still be at newcastle next season Elswick's ITK

Top by miles, North Shields 2 Sutton Utd 1, FA Amateur cup final 1969,what a day, special trains on the lot. A few from Brazil in WC 1970 The sight of the stadiums in WC 78 especially when the Argies were playing. more recently Micky Gray missing THAT penalty, fucking hilarious Barca hammering Madrid

From Pardew in the Journal. Not exactly certain that is it? Everytime I read something Pardoo has said it's almost like he is asking for people to put a bid in. If you choose to interpret it that way. On the other hand he's just saying what we know already, it's the way the game is.

and maybe end up with an Owen, Luque or Boumsong for which you could have a dozen cheapo's and maybe get 2 Tiote's, maybe.............. nah. A Shearer, Ferdinand, Ginola, Lee, Robert, Bellamy, Solano, Speed, Venison, Beresford, Cole, Sellars, Woodgate, Dyer, Peacock, Ferguson, Jenas etc.... Proof of the pudding is the league positions. Would you rather qualify for the Champions League and europe more than any club bar 4 in a 15 year period, or lose your best players and consider survival to be success ? Don't really know why I'm asking this anymore. You're not skidmarks' dad are you ? No he's his bumboy. Good morning Flid, how are you today?