Toonpack

Stranraer, where the fuck'd you get that from Live about 6 miles from SJP, as the crow flies. And you post wasn't snipped to avoid questions, although I do answer them all, just not reinvigorating that loop again.

the only good thing I can say about the posters on Newcastle Online is that some posters on skunkers are equally as stupid, incredible as it may seem. You didn't answer anyone's questions there either

or take it to extremes maybe

I agree with that but I'd have to add that some of the far right wing Christian stuff we see from America bothers me at least as much as the more extreme Islamists. Perhaps because I would like to think I have more in common with these people but in reality I really don't. Witness some of the comments American Christians have made against the 'Godless' Japanese after the tsunami for instance. These idiots haven't got the excuse of coming from an utter war torn shit hole like Afghanistan after all. The right wing Christians in the USA are a lunatic fringe as are the fundamentalist Islamics. BUT Islam in itself is repressive and is intent upon converting the world (even the "nice" muslim majority want this). We're fucked, long term, basically.

That along with kicking Lennon in the head is the behaviour of a well adjusted "nice" person

Shearer also never had off-field issues and the chav temperament to match

Wasn't there a story at the time (rumour maybe) that Carroll'd been pressured by "big money men" in the game along the lines of making the money circulate.

Revolution/counter revolution, uprising/surpression etc etc Arab problem, let them work it out themselves, unless it looks like the fundamentalist crazies are going to win, then we'd have to protect self interest.

someone else who thinks this sort of thing works out perfectly, like a computer game or a Bond film. What you talking about ??? What it means is that it isn't "easy" and politically a difficult situation/decision. KSA answered you perfectly. Why not clarify your view ? Fact is, civilian casualties are unavoidable in these situations. The point is, what does the world do about Gaddaffi ? Nothing, and allow him to kill his own people like Saddam did as people appear to have advocated, or something and if so, what ? Does there have to be another "illegal" action taken, if not, then what ? No he didn't. Where'd I say it shouldn't happen ? Just stating it's not an easy decision to make or an easy thing to do. So what do you think they should do ? The same as with Saddam, or something else ? Let them get on with it tbh.

someone else who thinks this sort of thing works out perfectly, like a computer game or a Bond film. What you talking about ??? What it means is that it isn't "easy" and politically a difficult situation/decision. KSA answered you perfectly. Why not clarify your view ? Fact is, civilian casualties are unavoidable in these situations. The point is, what does the world do about Gaddaffi ? Nothing, and allow him to kill his own people like Saddam did as people appear to have advocated, or something and if so, what ? Does there have to be another "illegal" action taken, if not, then what ? No he didn't. Where'd I say it shouldn't happen ? Just stating it's not an easy decision to make or an easy thing to do.

someone else who thinks this sort of thing works out perfectly, like a computer game or a Bond film. What you talking about ??? What it means is that it isn't "easy" and politically a difficult situation/decision.

A no fly zone is all well and good in theory, but to establish it you have to neutralise the air defences, which means attacking ground targets, which means "collateral" damage and dead civilians.

Leazes'll be apoplectic, an immigrant and a brown one at that !!!!!!

exactly. Skidmarks [bairn] = Toonpack [dad] = Noelie [Grandad] Keep the rubbish running in the family lads. Argument (sorry monotone tirade) comprehensively destroyed and thus resorts to crybaby-esque shite.

I clip the posts because it's the same tripe you spout all the time. You won't answer a question though will you, like the really straightforward one NJS asked Lot's of bluster nee substance P.S. I'm going to check up your precious "rich list" (when I have time) and see where we were at our height and then at the point the "wonderfull" regime sold up, I think it's something like 20th down from 14th. But hey, in Leazes world that's not a decline

For £35mill I'd have sold him to Tranmere never mind Liverpool. Your man Mike will be very happy that you accept him pocketing that sort of cash while watching the club head downwards. You can answer the rest of my posts, you don't have to cherry pick and clip them. I hope you have this thread bookmarked like the Enrique one, although after 4 years it's amazing you still can't see the obvious. I clip the superfluous to save room. He hasn't pocketed diddly squat yet, quite the opposite.

For £35mill I'd have sold him to Tranmere never mind Liverpool.

OK I will you're cherry picking. Fraid, not, you cherry pick by sticking with the biggest and best cherry we ever had and talk about it like it was still ripe yesterday, sadly it’s started to go rotten long ago. Other than that, you are just spouting the same old bollocks, and that is what it is, bollocks. If you seriously think we have no chance of matching the likes of Spurs and Liverpool, you are proving your knowledge of this football club is abysmal but I've already shown your memory to be exactly that. You’re changing tack from “do I think they are bigger” to ”do you think we can match them”. Do I think we can match Liverpool and/or Spurs, yes I do, history has shown that we can. Sadly we got up there and then dropped behind and AT THIS MOMENT (and for some time for that matter) we cannot compete with them. That’s not saying we can’t again in the future BUT I accept there is no quick fix without a richer and more philanthropic owner, not likely to happen sadly. We can say what Mike Ashley's ambition is for the football club, I've been saying it for about 3 and a half years now, all you have to do is open your eyes, but that isn't a strong point of yours and other people too No we can’t, yet, we can all say what we “think” it might be, but we don’t definitively know yet. This summer will be a big tester for that though because the Club has money, where it goes will be interesting. It's a shame you look back on the Halls and Shepherd the way you do, because even the 7th top spot gained only a year before they sold the club may not be repeated in your lifetime. But, as you think we aren't capable of challenging the likes of Spurs and Liverpool - by fuck Ashley has succeeded in lowering your expectations hasn't he- then you are obviously going to be happy with a mediocre football team at best or being a yoyo club like we were under the Seymour and McKeag eras, and ironically the mackems under Bob Murray when all the posters on skunkers enjoyed every minute of us being miles superior to them. I look upon the Hall/Shep reign as “nice try, but no banana”, my expectation is not lowered, but I am realistic enough to realize that a different approach to the one that we tried (and failed at) is needed, as said previously, the old way is dead.

Tidied Unfortunately the vehicle that they "knew what it took to do it" with, i.e. credit, was over used and has since dried up. You're confusing Champions League NUFC with non CL NUFC, and we haven't been in that "club" (or close to it) for a long time, you also fail to appreciate that the games dynamics have changed, there is no multi-million loans to be had and we don't have a Sheik and we're not in the self fullfilling prophecy that is the CL and it's riches. It's not a question of acceptance, it's a question of realism. We have to find another way, the old road to the top was closed whilst we were still trying to drive along it. Wake up and smell the coffee man !!!! He wants us to appoint a quality manager and throw cash at him, despite laughing at Villa in another thread for doing the same and not getting into the CL. Yeah I know. In fairness though I'd love us to appoint a quality manager and throw serious dosh at him, but the possibility of doing that is nil, without a Sheik.

Tidied Unfortunately the vehicle that they "knew what it took to do it" with, i.e. credit, was over used and has since dried up. You're confusing Champions League NUFC with non CL NUFC, and we haven't been in that "club" (or close to it) for a long time, you also fail to appreciate that the games dynamics have changed, there is no multi-million loans to be had and we don't have a Sheik and we're not in the self fullfilling prophecy that is the CL and it's riches. It's not a question of acceptance, it's a question of realism. We have to find another way, the old road to the top was closed whilst we were still trying to drive along it. Wake up and smell the coffee man !!!!

Your opinion is wrong then. That said both of the above are facts and I don't alternate between the two, fairly consistent on both matters. Would add to your second Halls/Shep bit "whilst owning the club and when they sold it". I don't criticise KK for not winning anything, what he did was amazing and hugely raised the profile of the club the sad thing is we didn't capitalise on the foundation he left. Sometimes it's better to be lucky than good, we were awfully good. They key breaking point IMO was SBR not taking the job, when KK left, because of his principles when at Barca, (remember he left because of financial issues with the flotation, sort of driven out by the owners wish to make a killing, if you will) and the latter drop from the CL. My issue with Halls/Shepherd are around the way they continued to "chase the dream" when it hadn't worked at the most opportune time, like gamblers chasing the last big loss. The borrowing was maxed out, the opportunity for more money to throw at it was gone and when they left we desperately needed more money just to stand still. There's also the issue that despite losses mounting up at the club, dividends were still huge. Despite the "great" years we had peaked and were heading downwards under the previos stewardship, that is indisputable. The chance to repeat "the magic" just did not exist, we already had one loan at over 11%. That said Ashley is a grade A prick, but he's made gazillions and he had the deep pockets to keep the club afloat, I know you deny we were in trouble, but I totally disagree with that premise, because try as I might, I can't see where circa £100mill was going to come from in the financial climate as it was/is. I'm sorry but I really really can't. Moving forward, without a Shiek or an Oligarch we cannot compete with the Champs League teams at this time, that is a sad fact. Regarding Ashley, I would be surprised if all he's after is a £2mill/year profit as that'll take 100+ years to pay back what he's already put in. Lets face it, he's fucking good (albeit in a maverick way) at what he does in the business world and all we can hope is that savvy or luck rubs off in his ownership of NUFC. I accept he's made some HUGE fuck ups, but financially we are approaching being sound (which is progress like it or not) the summer will be a defining moment in what his intentions are in terms of "ambition". Ashleys history with NUFC isn't written yet, Halls/Shep's is and whilst it had it's high points it also latterly had significant lows. Hitler looked like king of the world in 1940, he wasn't looking so good in 1945.

Of course you haven't read it, I know how well the Halls/Shepherd did - to a point, but then it went tits up, they left the club much in the state they inherited it financially, albeit with a higher profile. I'm not happy to compete at the level you mention, but I do realise that throwing money at it is futile a) because there's no money to be had in the Hall/Shep way, and b ) even if you could borrow as we did previously, you can't borrow enough to compete with Oligarchs or Sheiks. As said Ashley is a cunt, but at least he deserves some credit for putting circa 25% of his own fortune into the ship, and YES I know he'll want it back, but where'd we have been without it eh ??? That is the important point. And don't fucking spout your "rich list" shite, we'd gone from 14th to 20th under your boyfriends stewardship, that's called a downward trend.

He's got his head up Ashleys arse, like me exactly You see, you're wrong again, I think Ashley is a cunt, BUT am happy to consider wider comment/arguments, especially when put forward by persons with no axe to grind. If you'd read the excellent Swissramble blog, you'd see it is as equally scathing of Ashley as it is of your idols. Where I differ, is that Ashley is in for circa £200mill yet your idols made a not quite as much as that "profit" from their dealings with the club and significantly more even than McKeag etc (a regime which won something) but that doesn't matter to you. Blinkered idiot.

You are wrong man, how many people on how many forums have to tell you that ? Read the Swissramble for the harsh truth you arse