Toonpack

Excellent post, sums it up perfectly. Shepherd never put anything in, but took loads out.

In 5 league games since Carrols self inflicted injury, we've scored 8 goals and conceded 3, leave the midfield well alone IMO, coincidently the only games we haven't won (2 draws and the Fulham loss) are when Tiote was suspended.

Paul Cannell that was a good first post One of my favourite ever commentary moments from ye olde days when Cannell was a sub. On Shoot (highlight programme on a Sunday) Wolstenhome (I think it was) famously said at one point "And the Newcastle fans are shouting For Cannell" - you've got to say it to get it

He's right though. I mean he's surely deserving of a dozen more chances, but the jury isn't so much out as on their way back through the door with angry looks on their faces. Just goes to show ANYONE can get it wrong. There's a verdict in Scottish law of "Not Proven" (not guilty but not connvincingly innocent either - as in there's doubt) Lets not forget Carroll is out injured from getting pissed up (again) we still don't know which way that pendulum will swing.

we are now nearly 4 years into Mike Ashleys "plan". You couldn't make it up. If Shepherd had stayed, where do you think we'd be ??? you mean the Halls and Shepherd ? Do you know where we were when they took over the club ? When do you think someone will come in and match their european and Champions League qualifications, and growth of the club, as you appear to think they were so useless ? know exactly where we were, I'm nearly as old as you for fucks sake. They did a great job initially but when SJh stepped back the bubble burst, we had our time and we blew it. We're paying for it now and it's going to be a slow climb back you mean you are aware we nearly went into administration ? We would not have been relegated under the Halls and Shepherd, and so it would not have been such a "slow climb back". We will not "climb back" under Mike Ashley, because he does not have the ambition nor does he want to show the ambition. So your idealistic view is futile. It will not happen because he isn't prepared to take the risks, instead he is presiding over a club with revenues and gates tumbling, which only means competing at an even lower level. Liverpool have the right idea by the way, they proved it yesterday, they will get into the Champions League long before any club owned by Mike Ashley. Jul 2006 Garra Dembele FWD Auxerre On Trial Jul 2006 Michael Morrison DEF Cambridge United On Trial Jul 2006 David Templeton FWD Stenhousemuir On Trial Jul 2006 Damien Duff MID Chelsea £5m Aug 2006 Paul Huntington DEF Plymouth Trial ended Aug 2006 Obafemi Martins FWD Inter Milan £10.14m Aug 2006 Wael Gomaa DEF Al-Ahly On Trial Aug 2006 Giuseppe Rossi FWD Manchester United 4 month loan Aug 2006 Antoine Sibierski MID Manchester City fee tbc Sep 2006 Olivier Bernard DEF Rangers free Sep 2006 Pavel Srnicek DEF Unattached 4 month deal Dec 2006 Pierre Boya FWD Partizan Belgrade Trial Jan 2007 Oguchi Onyewu DEF Standard Liege 4 month loan Feb 2007 Lee Kerr FWD Whitley Bay Trial Apr 2007 Erol Bulut DEF Olympiakos Trial Shepherd/Hall's last two transfer windows. Full of trial's, loans and even Duff is 'basement bargain' in line with your comments about Ben Arfa. We sold £7.5m worth of players that summer too, as well as Shearer retiring. We were definitely heading towards the top four like a freight train like, weren't we Leazes That's Leazes problem, he thinks we were in the champions league when we Freddy left !!! BTW, shame we hadn't held onto Templeton, canny little player now

For me its now all about the summer. It we dont spend a lot then we finally will have no doubt about his intentions. To be fair there's only you and Skidmark that don't see the guy for what he is. I disagree. I think there was quite a few on this forum who were starting to believe that with the likes of Tiote and Ben Arfa, getting contracts for the likes of Carrol sorted out, that we were on the up and heading in the right direction. The progress since relegation would never satisfy the likes of Leazes , but I think a lot of Ashley haters still had some belief creaping in that the club was heading in the right direction. Carrols sale has stalled that belief for me, which is why I say the summer spending bill will be make or break. Like I have said, almost since he had hardly got his foot through the door, his sole aim was to stay in the premiership, while spending as little as possible and pocketing as much as possible, through selling our best players. He bought into the myth that we "always had 50,000 crowds" like lots of other fuckwits - not even just southerners because lots of NUFC fans attracted to the club by the previous regime also gullibly bought into it - and has now had a shock and will get an even bigger one when season ticket renewal time comes, unless he has found a buyer. He bought people pints in the Bigg Market, a cringeworthy attempt at a PR exercise to buy popularity when he knew all along he had no ambition on the pitch, along with his other stunts which capitalised on the misguided unpopularity of the previous owners, among those who didn't understand what they had done for the club during their time in charge, and had became used to the club showing ambition, thinking it was an automatic thing. Ambition is a choice, which was pointed out many times, nobody has to do it. He chose not to show it, and many many other potential owners out there could do exactly the same thing. That is all there is too it. The wrong bloke, a terrible terrible owner, all I have done is stuck to my guns, which was easy because I knew that I was right. People wanting to spend as little as possible as soon as they get their foot in the door don't sanction the spending money Big Sam was given pretty much straight away. You fail to see the flaws in you argument and go on claiming that you were always right. What I'm trying to say Leazes is that you're basically a tosser. Really ? Shame I am right then. Successful clubs spend big money, because they need to buy the best players, like it or not. Fuck me, this is like teaching someone to suck eggs. But how does that related to what youve just quoted? Time for you to ties yourself in knots again and ignore all points made to you. You still haven't shown me when I suggested we'd be in the Champions League under Ashley. Are you going to respond to these simplest of questions/points or are you going to carry on making yourself look like the thickest of thick twats? Because when you are unable to provide answers to things people ask you, and keep on saying the same fucking thing, you just look like a fucking nutjob mate, and that's a serious criticism, I'm not just taaking the piss here. what progress ? you mean talking 4 steps backwards and 2 steps forwards again ? We are miles away from the champions league and european qualifications, and expectations accordingly, we got used to. You're fucking dumb. This week has still taught you nothing at all. The club is not geared to success or in terms of consistently attaining high league positions and attempt to play regularly in europe ? Understand ? I don't even know what you're on about here. Are you responding to what I wrote or not? Go take your fucking pills I've had enough or trying to decipher you. go back 2 days, and where the events of yesterday were predicted by another poster. Your reply was "fuck off you dribbling wreck" Daft lad. One day you will learn. 35 million you silly old cunt, NO CUNT that hasn't been in the Champions League for this long has EVER turned down a bid of that size. Prove otherwise and you have a point. Valencia took 34 mill for David Villa, what does that say about 35 mill for Carroll

we are now nearly 4 years into Mike Ashleys "plan". You couldn't make it up. If Shepherd had stayed, where do you think we'd be ??? you mean the Halls and Shepherd ? Do you know where we were when they took over the club ? When do you think someone will come in and match their european and Champions League qualifications, and growth of the club, as you appear to think they were so useless ? know exactly where we were, I'm nearly as old as you for fucks sake. They did a great job initially but when SJh stepped back the bubble burst, we had our time and we blew it. We're paying for it now and it's going to be a slow climb back

Agree with this. Got it in one. Agree with all points. When's he scored 20 goals ??? It's £35 million guaranteed against potentially a 20 goal a season striker who wanted to go.

It'll be 3 years, he can buy himself out for £9.75 million then under that former Hearts player rule.

we are now nearly 4 years into Mike Ashleys "plan". You couldn't make it up. If Shepherd had stayed, where do you think we'd be ???

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Can you please explain how that can happen legally ?? Bonus. We'll show a profit this year after selling Carroll. They can pay themselves a bonus. Hello Toonpack. Ashley to do a Shepherd Eh ?? Nowt's changed except were not in a financial abyss as we were. Ashley's a twat but he owns the club and there's nowt anyone can do about it and he can do whatever he wants until he goes, despite his twatishness the club's in a much more sustainable position than it was when FFS was laterly in charge.

Where else is the money to come from ??? Anyway I fully expect Jose to be away in the summer, sadly.

Well he's not anywhere near the top 10 world class players where his fee places him. In every interview I've ever heard with a coach who's had anything to do with the club when Carroll's been around the answer to that question has always been "he can be as good as Andy Carroll wants to be". Depends if he gets his head straight, which based upon what I know of him, is highly unlikely as he's a died in the wool piece of sh!t and he's now getting paid at a level where no matter how much better he may "want to be" he's not getting another significant rise any time soon. He's made it already. So I question any remaining motivation. Interesting to see how it plays out, but history (already been to court, assaulted a team-mate other allegations to the police not followed through) doesn't bode well IMO. Or he could have done a Barton... There's plenty of time for that to happen. Edit - He just needs to make sure when and if he gets into bother, it's in Liverpool so he gets a scouse jury

Well he's not anywhere near the top 10 world class players where his fee places him. In every interview I've ever heard with a coach who's had anything to do with the club when Carroll's been around the answer to that question has always been "he can be as good as Andy Carroll wants to be". Depends if he gets his head straight, which based upon what I know of him, is highly unlikely as he's a died in the wool piece of sh!t and he's now getting paid at a level where no matter how much better he may "want to be" he's not getting another significant rise any time soon. He's made it already. So I question any remaining motivation. Interesting to see how it plays out, but history (already been to court, assaulted a team-mate other allegations to the police not followed through) doesn't bode well IMO.

Can you please explain how that can happen legally ?? The money's used to repay Ashley's loan to the club..... So reduction of a liability then, not back pocket

Can you please explain how that can happen legally ??

He’s put a structure in place for running the club on the cheap so he can claw back the money he’s loaned it to hide the real cost of his many mistakes. It amazes me that after all that’s gone on over the last three years anyone can’t see what pigs ear he’s made of everything. Oh he's made a pigs lug of it alright, but it was a pigs ball sack when he bought it. crap It's the truth, as it was the club was unsustainable, FFS would have had us in Administration by now. Don't bother replying because I aint getting into this with you again.

That's the wildcard, along with the fact he's now being paid at the level of the "finished article" what's his motivation now ???

I'd heard it was 30k a week, I could be wrong like. You're not wrong, signed his new one at £30K in October

He’s put a structure in place for running the club on the cheap so he can claw back the money he’s loaned it to hide the real cost of his many mistakes. It amazes me that after all that’s gone on over the last three years anyone can’t see what pigs ear he’s made of everything. Oh he's made a pigs lug of it alright, but it was a pigs ball sack when he bought it.

Newcastle proper doesn't have one. North Shields will be the biggest round here in 5 years time though imo. My mate Woody runs North Shields and they're a decent side. He's played at Blyth Spartans amongst many others. Canny standard, tbh. I was there at Wembley when they won the FA Amateur Cup, great days. See their ground as well, have a look at the pics on the net, was the biggest non league ground in the country up to about 25 years ago, held 19,000. They had to shut it down though cos during a game a player was running on the to a through ball and he fell down a hole which just appeared from no where. Appleby Park was a great little ground, many happy memories until it all went tits up and they had to sell it.

Newcastle proper doesn't have one. North Shields will be the biggest round here in 5 years time though imo. My mate Woody runs North Shields and they're a decent side. He's played at Blyth Spartans amongst many others. Canny standard, tbh. I was there at Wembley when they won the FA Amateur Cup, great days.

Lucky you're not a mackem then FoK

Why didn't Carroll say no ?? I think there's circa 50,000 reasons per week.