Super_Steve_Howey

I see Nial Quinn has finally moved up to Mackemland

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Jews on Tour '42-45

The pills question has 2 correct answers and possibly even 3, the baseball question is dependant on being American (and hence stupid) and you don't capitalise the 4th of July

Gary Speed

He is a cock as a player and a man. His self confessed motivation is he plays better when people hate him. Sad individual.

I'm just fitting your point to the argument. If you think we need a manager who is good at overachieving, then you msut think we need to overachieve to reach the bottom berth of the UEFA Cup. What it must be to have such ambition!

Do we need 28 more staff members because our setup is comparable to a Division 1 club? Yes, the Div 1 analogy is probably bigging us up though. Our entire set-up is very amatuerish Do we need to buy past it players and squeeze an extra ounce from them? Our transfer record of recent years is poor, Allardyce's is very good. He doens't ony buy past-it players but getting a few experienced defenders in to help out the kids would be a good thing, no? Do we need to over-achieve to scrape the lowest UEFA Cup berth? So Allardyce did overachieve? I thought he didn't, make your mind up Vicky. Do we need to create a mentality of plucky contenders being outgunned around this club? No, that was the case at Bolton though. Or do we have a squad not bought by Allardyce that needs controlling and to be got performing now, not in 8 years time? Not saying he needs or should get 8 years to put things right but saying we need performance now is at odds with you saying managers need time isn't it? So again, we're getting to the crux of the matter, appoint Sam because of the record of the past couple of years. Chrsit, we were in the last stages of the UEFA cup in all those years, when has Sam ever done that? You're fitting Sam to the job, rather than fitting the job to a candidate.

You forgot he's won the Premiership then? Or the style of football he epsouses? Or his youth development? Or his insistence on a Director of Football? Yes, Sam's experience is exactly like Wenger Where did I say they were comparable? What I'm saying is, a managers previous experience is relevant to the job at hand now, whatever it is. For most people this would be too obvious even to state. It's not relevant if the manager's experience in question is not where the club should be aiming for. Can you not tell the difference? Were a struggling mid to low table club. Had you not noticed this? This whole line of reasoning from you is particularly ironic/moronic since you have advocated that a person with no experience at all at managing in the premiership should get the job. So we should get a manager that fits our current position? Or should we realise that it is the squad underperforming. Sam falls between both ideals and so is a bad choice, you either want a manager proven to have what it takes to get you where you should be, or you take a chance on an inexperienced person with the right qualities. Are you saying Klinsman would have absolutely no clue what to do just because he hasn't spent 8 years managing Bolton?

It's standard to release players that you don't want at the end of the current season

Good analogy. Sam will have as much success in the final phase as Keegan did. He's an improver, not a winner. Can't say I agree with that like, we could have brought in a whole range of managers and just because we had a ambitious board it doesn't mean we would have come straight up and had those years of steady improvement. KK, for all his faults, was just as big a part of that. The board never carried him. I didn't say they carried him. I'm saying he wasn't singly responsible for the meteoric rise, just as Sam has not overachieved with Bolton when you actually consider the situation as a whole. Even worse, KK managed to sign players in the first division that Sam could only dream of.

What spin? All that's been said is the club has released 5 players. Making stuff up again tbh. The credit Sam is getting on here for this 'decision'. sams alright he gota start with everyone liking him so why not let him have this credit. Credit where credit is due. Yesterday you were criticising him for keeping Bramble, weren't you? I was criticising him for using the phrase 'everyone starts with a clean slate', when it was patently absolute shite and not what was needed, now proven by this statement.

You forgot he's won the Premiership then? Or the style of football he epsouses? Or his youth development? Or his insistence on a Director of Football? Yes, Sam's experience is exactly like Wenger Where did I say they were comparable? What I'm saying is, a managers previous experience is relevant to the job at hand now, whatever it is. For most people this would be too obvious even to state. It's not relevant if the manager's experience in question is not where the club should be aiming for. Can you not tell the difference?

Do we need 28 more staff members because our setup is comparable to a Division 1 club? Do we need to buy past it players and squeeze an extra ounce from them? Do we need to over-achieve to scrape the lowest UEFA Cup berth? Do we need to create a mentality of plucky contenders being outgunned around this club? Or do we have a squad not bought by Allardyce that needs controlling and to be got performing now, not in 8 years time?

What spin? All that's been said is the club has released 5 players. Making stuff up again tbh. The credit Sam is getting on here for this 'decision'. sams alright he gota start with everyone liking him so why not let him have this credit. Credit where credit is due.

You forgot he's won the Premiership then? Or the style of football he epsouses? Or his youth development? Or his insistence on a Director of Football? Yes, Sam's experience is exactly like Wenger

What spin? All that's been said is the club has released 5 players. Making stuff up again tbh. The credit Sam is getting on here for this 'decision'.

1 day Fred waited just 1 day before starting the Sam is a geordie shite. What a basket-case

Great. The spin has already started. Sam gets credit for 'releasing 5 players' who were leaving anyway. That's some management genius we have landed here.

Because the club has been completely changed. Would you honestly say Keegan overachieved, or was it the result if a proper plan for advancement? There is a difference between someone using what they would expect to cope with in a situation and doing better than expected, and someone applying extra resources to improve their situation. Who gets the credit for that? Just the chairman or was it an excellent achievement by Allardyce too? So without Sam there would have been no change? Do you think without hiring Keegan that SJH would be chairman of a Division 1 club right now? Of course he gets credit but seriously, is that a criteria for appointing our manager, he can add staff to a Division 1 club when given money? So Allardyce deserves credit for what he has achieved at Bolton then? And his achievements are not relevant to the job to be done at NUFC. Admit it, your shoe-horning him into the job because clearly there is no appetite for anyhting else but a nice safe bet of mid-table obscurity.

So basically we're coming round to the crux of the matter. This is a nothing appointment to get some reliable mid table finishes and maybe win a league cup maybe in the next decade. It's shit. You need to seriously think about what Fat Fred really thinks he has got in Sam Allardyce, and how that compares to what the fans think. Remember when Fred thought he had done the right thing and hired a disciplinarian? I for one don't trust his judgement to critically analyse anything Sam might have claimed/demanded in a job interview (although we all know it's not an interview when there are no other candidates).

Good analogy. Sam will have as much success in the final phase as Keegan did. He's an improver, not a winner.

Because the club has been completely changed. Would you honestly say Keegan overachieved, or was it the result if a proper plan for advancement? There is a difference between someone using what they would expect to cope with in a situation and doing better than expected, and someone applying extra resources to improve their situation. Who gets the credit for that? Just the chairman or was it an excellent achievement by Allardyce too? So without Sam there would have been no change? Do you think without hiring Keegan that SJH would be chairman of a Division 1 club right now? Of course he gets credit but seriously, is that a criteria for appointing our manager, he can add staff to a Division 1 club when given money?

Because the club has been completely changed. Would you honestly say Keegan overachieved, or was it the result if a proper plan for advancement? There is a difference between someone using what they would expect to cope with in a situation and doing better than expected, and someone applying extra resources to improve their situation.

It might have something to do with the chairman don't you think? Or did Sam pay everyone's wages, sign the cheques and build a stadium?