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People don't go to Tesco to relax and have a good time, they go there to shop, people do go to the pub to have a smoke and a drink, it's socially accepted. I know a lot of people who don't go to the pub to smoke and are very happy that soon there wont be others around them doing it. As long as you're all happy when you have to pick up the shortfall in the tax revenue. Not working from any stats or anything here but if smoking does drop enough to have an effect on tax revenue then I would guess there would also be an effect on smokers using up NHS resources? ....and here's the twist...Smokers DIE they don't hang around for years sucking up state funds in pensions, healthcare or whatever... So smokers don't cost the NHS anything, they are healthy their whole lives and one day just drop dead? Try reading. I did, healthcare thing still applies. You just make things up and then pretend it's what was said. Who are you Vic?

People don't go to Tesco to relax and have a good time, they go there to shop, people do go to the pub to have a smoke and a drink, it's socially accepted. I know a lot of people who don't go to the pub to smoke and are very happy that soon there wont be others around them doing it. As long as you're all happy when you have to pick up the shortfall in the tax revenue. Not working from any stats or anything here but if smoking does drop enough to have an effect on tax revenue then I would guess there would also be an effect on smokers using up NHS resources? ....and here's the twist...Smokers DIE they don't hang around for years sucking up state funds in pensions, healthcare or whatever... So smokers don't cost the NHS anything, they are healthy their whole lives and one day just drop dead? Try reading.

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People don't go to Tesco to relax and have a good time, they go there to shop, people do go to the pub to have a smoke and a drink, it's socially accepted. I know a lot of people who don't go to the pub to smoke and are very happy that soon there wont be others around them doing it. As long as you're all happy when you have to pick up the shortfall in the tax revenue. Not working from any stats or anything here but if smoking does drop enough to have an effect on tax revenue then I would guess there would also be an effect on smokers using up NHS resources? ....and here's the twist...Smokers DIE they don't hang around for years sucking up state funds in pensions, healthcare or whatever...

People don't go to Tesco to relax and have a good time, they go there to shop, people do go to the pub to have a smoke and a drink, it's socially accepted. I know a lot of people who don't go to the pub to smoke and are very happy that soon there wont be others around them doing it. As long as you're all happy when you have to pick up the shortfall in the tax revenue.

These are getting more wildly obscure by the minute... "Seagull swoops on Brighton pavillion."

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If I want to be a City trader I know that long hours and high levels of stress are involved, this could impact on my health, life and relationships but again these risks are well known so if I went into that line of work I accept these risks. Police face the chance of being killed or injured, body protection and guns for all the police would reduce the risk yet aren't issued. Soldiers face the risk of being blown up in road side bombs yet aren't all supplied with bomb-proof vehicles. Passive smoking is an occupational hazard, if you don't like it then don't work in a bar, as I have said, there are plenty of alternative jobs. I'm sorry, but as your examples show, this is a really weak argument I ask again, why do you think someone applying to stack shelves in Tescos doesn't have to put up with passive smoking? He'd be long dead from the slippery floors shirley? collapsed from the fumes in the car park no doubt

I think Alex is your man. It's embarrasing when I think back how anti-electronic I used to be. Up to the age of 20 I would abuse anyone who even suggested it was acceptable to listen to, or that electronic artists had any talent whatsoever.

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With these attacks they are spoiling us.

If I want to be a City trader I know that long hours and high levels of stress are involved, this could impact on my health, life and relationships but again these risks are well known so if I went into that line of work I accept these risks. Police face the chance of being killed or injured, body protection and guns for all the police would reduce the risk yet aren't issued. Soldiers face the risk of being blown up in road side bombs yet aren't all supplied with bomb-proof vehicles. Passive smoking is an occupational hazard, if you don't like it then don't work in a bar, as I have said, there are plenty of alternative jobs. I'm sorry, but as your examples show, this is a really weak argument I ask again, why do you think someone applying to stack shelves in Tescos doesn't have to put up with passive smoking? He'd be long dead from the slippery floors shirley?

People love a new law these days it seems. Babylon?

Personally I like it where the council has surveyed for a gas risk (either explosive, poisioness or even in some cases radiation gas risks - the radioactive gas kills at least 2500 people a year from lung cancer in the UK - and on the whole much more likely and risky than 2ndry smoke) and then refuses to tell anyone living there because (not surprisingly) no one would want to live there and house prices in that area would crash. I have to wonder about your opinion on this though Bazooka and Kevin for that matter (and a solution other than the councils ignore it). ....as long as it doesn't stink up their clothes they're pretty relaxed about it. Indeed. If you let me know where it has happened I will campaign against it. The same as I campaigned against building houses beneath power lines and campaigned against greenfield development. I am just not an idiot who thinks smokng is the same as using a car. ....that's cause you know cars are worse right? I want all cars to be powered by a non polluting fuel. I also want public transport to be improved so it is a more viable option. I also would like the introduction of real enforced cycle routes to stop cyclists being nearly killed by idiot drivers. If you looked at the thread start you would see that the thread is about smokers who believe the ban is an infringement of their rights without taking into account the rights of others. Thus enforcing my personal opinion that some smokers are the most selfish people in the world. Selfish people built the world.

Another possible attack? Another al keeda attack foiled. You Al Kidder me surely?

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Personally I like it where the council has surveyed for a gas risk (either explosive, poisioness or even in some cases radiation gas risks - the radioactive gas kills at least 2500 people a year from lung cancer in the UK - and on the whole much more likely and risky than 2ndry smoke) and then refuses to tell anyone living there because (not surprisingly) no one would want to live there and house prices in that area would crash. I have to wonder about your opinion on this though Bazooka and Kevin for that matter (and a solution other than the councils ignore it). ....as long as it doesn't stink up their clothes they're pretty relaxed about it. Indeed. If you let me know where it has happened I will campaign against it. The same as I campaigned against building houses beneath power lines and campaigned against greenfield development. I am just not an idiot who thinks smokng is the same as using a car. ....that's cause you know cars are worse right?

What about alcohol? People are attacked because of people under the influence, families can be torn apart because of alcoholism, the NHS spends millions each year on alcohol related illnesses, so let's ban it too. While we're at it why not ban chocolate, crisps and fried food, it would certainly help with the obesity problem. Where do we stop? Yeah but more importantly does any of it makes yer clothes smell?

Again not really me (so who is the moron again? ) Does unknowingly living in a radon filled area have any benefits? Well to anyone but the council in council tax? Same with alcohol really, it not only is bad for you, but it also massively increases your risk of others attacking you (its a known factor in a VAST amount of crime these days). BAN IT NOW I SAY!!! AGREE!! Lost days at work. Mental illness...families sufferring. Alcoholism rife in Scotland...Burden on the state and welfare...yada yada..

Personally I like it where the council has surveyed for a gas risk (either explosive, poisioness or even in some cases radiation gas risks - the radioactive gas kills at least 2500 people a year from lung cancer in the UK - and on the whole much more likely and risky than 2ndry smoke) and then refuses to tell anyone living there because (not surprisingly) no one would want to live there and house prices in that area would crash. I have to wonder about your opinion on this though Bazooka and Kevin for that matter (and a solution other than the councils ignore it). ....as long as it doesn't stink up their clothes they're pretty relaxed about it.

You keep saying this yet haven't answered my earlier point as to why the government should protect these people when they've chosen to take the job with the full knowledge of how it could impact on their health. because there is now a general rule in this country that no one should have to accept reducable risks to gain employment Every risk is essentially reducible. This is the sort of shit that has meant firemen can't go up ladders over a certain height. If you don't want the risk of dying in a burning building then don't join the fire brigade, if you don't fancy being shot at then don't join the army and if you don't want to accept the increased risk of smoke related problems then don't work in a bar. It's pretty fucking simple. Some sanity at last.

Make it simple. What is the increased rate of cancer for a smoker as against a non-smoker?

Sounds like they were meant to be found. Exploding tanks of fuel is not easy and doesn't cause much of an explosion just a bit of a fireball. I dunno there were pressurized gas canisters as well, and they do go off not just like a bomb, but AS a bomb. In fact they are basically a bomb you can buy, the trick is getting them to go off (which is probably where the other stuff comes in), This is a laugh... http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/6/29/11274/0754 You know what you call a vehicle with 50 gallons of gas? A Cadillac Escalade. The media meltdown over this incident is simply shameful. For starters, gasoline is not a high explosive. If we were talking 50 pounds of Semtex or the Al Qaeda standby, TATP, I would be impressed. Those are real high explosives with a detonation rate in excess of 20,000 feet per second. Gasoline can explode (just ask former owners of a Ford Pinto) but it is first and foremost an incediary. If the initial reports are true, the clown driving the Mercedes was a rank amateur when it comes to constructing an Improvised Explosive Device aka IED. Unlike a Hollywood flick the 50 gallons of gas would not have shredded the Mercedes into lethal chunks of flying shrapenal. The fact that "officers courageously disabled the trigger by hand" coupled with the report of the smoke in the car leads me to believe that the mad London "bomber" tried to construct a Molotov cocktail of sorts and lit a cloth fuze. Fortunately he left the windows in the car up and there was not enough oxygen to really get the fire going. Looks like the brave British police reached in and snuffed the flame. Judging from the overreaction to this non-incident I think we can safely conclude that Osama Bin Laden will remain holed up in Pakistan and let the fear mongers at CNN, MSNBC, and FOX do the dirty business of scaring the shit out of people."

Bar staff have to put up with smoky conditions? Well there's a shock, I bet they didn't expect that when they took the job. If they don't like it then they should fuck off and get a different job. Though in saying that I am all for no smoking at the bar where practical. can't do that see, discrimination I think you'd be hard pushed to find someone who would willingly work in a smoky environment over an alternative job kind of like the whinging miners is it? got emphesema? you should fuck off and get a different job son So they are going to ban mining now are they? (or perhaps just have already taken the needed precautions to avoid it) pretty sure they banned the idea that the miners should just put up with it because it comes with the job, yes Which is NOT the same thing at all is it? Much like most of what you seem to say in fact. how is it not the same? Because one is removing a negative effect for specific workers by protective measures, the other is a blanket ban that really has little to do with it. Again that's not the same thing as what we are (or at least I am) talking about and again there are many better ways to remove such a risk than a blanket ban, not that that is what the ban is really about however. It's just the only 3rd party justification that vaguely holds water (unless you install decent air con). the ban was always about workers, really can't see how you don't know that. It only came down to pub workers in the end because every other workplace has had the common sense to ban it already as I've already said, ventilation was dismissed by all parties, even punters. Have you ever been in one of those pubs that actually tried to install an air curtain? completely shit and unpopular with everyone It's about workers....Hilarious.

I love the way that these discussions always go, the two people who have actually been brainwashed by the "conspiracy brigade" are the ones that then accuse the rest of it. It doesnt take a genius or a doctor to see that putting carcinogenic chemicals into an enclosed space is not good for anyone in that room. To see the effects go into any pub and look at the walls. If it can do that to paintwork then I dread to imagine lungs. I dont ever want to see a picture of my lungs seeing as Im an ex smoker, if however I had never smoked one in my life and then found they were fucked I wouldnt be very chuffed to say the least. That's almost a rant....Must try harder. If you're worried about carcinogens I suggest you stop living. You're surronded by them unless you live in Hawai. Run Fop!! We've run into a clique of interior decorators, clothes horses and beauticians.